EPTHe's suggesting that the medic who saved MTF come out and tell MTF that he's a blue role/they're both on the same side. Questionable tactic though, since MTF probably wouldn't be able to trust the guy - it could just be some mafia member trying to gain his trust. MTF has no way of verifying whether the person PMing him actually saved him.
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He's suggesting that the medic who saved MTF come out and tell MTF that he's a blue role/they're both on the same side. Questionable tactic though, since MTF probably wouldn't be able to trust the guy - it could just be some mafia member trying to gain his trust. MTF has no way of verifying whether the person PMing him actually saved him. | ||
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On June 07 2010 04:05 sputnik.theory wrote: The ElyAs hit seems suspicious to me. It has already been brought up that a scum outrunning ElyAs and not killing him as they passed seems unrealistic. How could he have enough time to sit down on the courthouse steps and wait for ElyAs to come around at full speed? One possible explanation that has been offered has been that the scum in question could 'blink'. Here's another: It could be possible that two scum were involved in the death of ElyAs. One to follow him and chase him to the courthouse and another waiting in ambush there to kill him. At night, it's not hard for two masked men to look the same. Additionally, we actually have two players that 'look the same' playing in this game as MooCow and Tyranos_Nivek have identical profiles. The implications of such a double hit would be that MTF is lying about being targeted on night1. I am not convinced that the theory above is what actually took place but it seems to be a possibility. That'd be a pretty complex ploy. Has something like this ever happened in past games? What would it really accomplish though? If no medic saved MTF, obviously no medic would roleclaim to him either. MTF would have suspicion cast away from him, but afaik there wasn't much on him in the first place, and one single townie can't do very much right? | ||
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I've already said it, but I think Hugoboss21 falls into the inactive category and should be added to YellowInk's list of Tyranos/deucegladlier/CompX for possible lynch targets. | ||
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On June 07 2010 12:15 DCLXVI wrote: Oh, another one of your incredible analyses posted I see.Don't worry about it, you can't please everyone. Some people will just pretend to read your posts or purposely misinterpret what you say (I'm looking at you littlechava) Let's take a look back at our discourse: On June 06 2010 15:16 DCLXVI wrote: Well if we hang him and he turns out to be townie, then we should hang you. It seems quite suspicious to accuse someone that quickly and try to bring down suspicion on him. At least try to list out a few possible clue connections and scum sounding posts/actions before accusing active people like that. Okay, so you ignore the first half of my post where I say we shouldn't hang based on clues. Then, you go on to say that *if* we hang based on clues, the next target should be myself, for no good reason other than the fact that I, among others, have pointed out that Thegilaboy and zeks have had clues point towards them. Do you mind pointing out the other posts where I "ignore" or "purposely pretend to read and misinterpret what you say"? You mean like, the post where you agree with what I say, while still disagreeing with me, then go on to say I'm disagreeing with you? (WTF?) | ||
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On June 07 2010 18:46 DarthThienAn wrote: @littlechava: deep breaths, don't get too offended by stuff on the internet ^^. Yeah, I was drunk when I posted that...  | ||
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On June 08 2010 02:49 DCLXVI wrote: No wonder you still misinterpreted my posts again :| I don't think that it is worth bringing back up this argument: I know I'm right, you think you are, and it gains us nothing to continue arguing. Nah, I'm still right. All you've done is make a couple garbage posts calling me out, which I then defended. Then you keep bring it up again whenever possible, without refuting anything that I've said. @onihunter: I'm not against YellowInk or Thegilaboy at this point. | ||
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On June 08 2010 03:41 DCLXVI wrote: yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues or you think that the clues are enough evidence. No. That's not what it was saying. Reread my post. It was all about clues. I didn't think clues were enough evidence. That's why I said that. as I said before: yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues (which you do not present) or you think that the clues are enough evidence. So I do not agree with you. Nice response to my "where are the clues, please" - stating one weak clue. You don't even try to bring up scum sounding posts by TGB so your entire argument is based of clues... And finally, you did not say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him" but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice". As in, we could vote for TGB because he has some clues pointing to him (and by that you mean one weak clue) Yes, that post was obviously based on clues. That was the whole point. There is more than one clue linking to Thegilaboy. Day 1: Poison. Day 2: DT. MTM's post doesn't rule anything out. We don't know exactly how the clues are going to relate to people. Let me clarify for you what the first post meant. First part: Clues may be weak, but need to be pointed out. Second part: If voting based on clues, Thegilaboy makes sense. I will accept that saying it wasn't such a terrible choice was wrong, since voting so rashly is a pretty bad idea. Tip: threatening to lynch people at the drop of a hat is also a pretty bad idea. | ||
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#679 Explanation for inactivity. Says clue analysis tells more than the actual clues. Claims that if we lose blue roles, we should start looking towards the elected roles as being guilty parties. #737 Is against double lynch. Asks if PMs are different for a vet save vs a medic save. #758 Says we should consider how organized the mafia are. How could we possibly know this? Tries to shunt attention off of deucegladlier by saying the rest of the mafia would stop him from being an idiot. Says he'd rather lynch a "middle of the pack" poster than someone who is inactive, even if the "middle of the pack" poster is a neutral figure. #818 Argues against lynching inactives. #820 Argues against early voting/"bandwagoning" #823 Says he's "sort of okay with lynching deuce tonight" #834 Says YellowInk and Darth seem like townies right now, but he assures us all that when problems occur they'll be "the first on the chopping block" #838 Says if MooCow gets lynched and is red, he'd have more faith in the elected roles, because MooCow was trying to undermine them. Jumps onto AFJ's bandwagon. #840 Explains that we should be aware of the piggybacking/bandwagoning/echoing of "middle of the line" posters. #876 Outlines three points about Deuce probably being green: he hasn't stood up for himself, one sided votes, and a bandwagon (a fairly obvious one!). #905 Gives more reasons we shouldn't lynch inactives. Says we should lynch MooCow instead, because we have more information on him, and he's been acting weird lately. Doesn't actually provide his own analysis of this weird behavior of MooCow. #915 Argues that the original MooCow bandwagon aren't mafia because it's a risky move. Says MooCow is almost as useless as deuce is anyway, and if he turns out green getting him out is still more useful than getting deuce out. #922 Asks onihunter to explain what MooCow's contributions are other than agreeing with others. Pretty much all zeks' recent posts have been centering around how we SHOULDN'T be targetting inactives, which flies in the face of what is apparently common Mafia knowledge that inactives are often Mafia themselves. After AFJ posts his analysis claiming MooCow is suspicious, he jumps on the bandwagon immediately and campaigns for MooCow to get lynched instead of deucegladlier. The entire time he's campaigning against MooCow, there's very little analysis of his own, despite his protestation of piggybacking/bandwagoning. Combine this with fishy behavior earlier in the game+clues on both days connected to him (Shikamaru is a ninja who can throw knives as well as manipulate shadows). | ||
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Object flew in the air, blinding pyro, then released an electric shock. Suffocating object. Killer's heavy breathing. AcrossFiveJulys was stabbed while drunk. The post mentions survival of the fit. | ||
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The only clue that really jumps out is the stabbing. Knives have been mentioned each post so far, and there are a number of profiles that have blades/knives relate to them. It's also a common way to kill people though, so I don't know :\ | ||
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On June 09 2010 12:29 LunarDestiny wrote: Dammit zek I was goign to say something about 3 lions... AcrossFiveJulys was on the prowl this night, he knew full well that in this city, it had become a survival of the fit. He was hoping that the mafia would slip up, and creeping up and down streets through the shadows, and checking every alley revealed nothing. Sighing, he moved into the local bar that he knew would still be open at this hour. Snagging a pint from the bar, and then sitting down in a booth, he sighed in frustration. After he finished his beer, he ordered another, then another. By the end of the night AcrossFiveJuly’s had no idea who stabbed him, but he was left dead all the same. Okay. -Lions are animal. Survival of the Fittest? -Action of lions:creeping. -"Checked every alley revealed nothing." Lion hides in shadow before engaging his prey and his prey often don't see him until the lion takes action. -He finish a beer (1), ordered another (2), and another (3). Nice catch. I totally missed the three beers. | ||
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On June 09 2010 12:51 LaXerCannon wrote: Suspects: TheGilaboy - I don't think I should say anymore about him :S Hugoboss21 + Show Spoiler + I've been considering this connection since the very first day post. His profile includes the fact that he loves playing medic & SPY in TF2. Now I've only played TF2 for max 5 minutes at a friends house so I had to do some research (please correct me if there are any facts i'm ignorant to). Here are some points I found regarding the spy from team fortress 2: -You can't use a weapon when you're cloaked. This would be able to connect to the three deaths (BloodyC0bbler, ElyAs, PyroMa5ta) or BEP for short. BEP didn't notice that they were being followed until the murder decided to kill. Especially in Pyr0ma5ta's case the mafia didn't stun before revealing himself. Instead he revealed himself and then stunned. -Your body briefly glows as your team's color when fading in and out of invisibility as a spy and that will give you away if seen removing your cloak. This is probably how BEP noticed that they were being followed. -The spy in team fortress has a masked like the mask figure in ElyAs' death. -One of his weapons is an Electro Sapper which could be what he threw at Pyr0Ma5ta. Then again, you can't really get anything use it on an enemy character in the game. I still don't think this is good enough to point a finger at him as I can't explain his weight or his ability to beat ElyAs in running despite his weight. Misder + Show Spoiler + Nothing Happens in my life. The end. -Kinda reminds me of AcrossFiveJuly's death You can probably tell I got really lazy after the first too :S I'm going to go off to bed now. One final note: I like littlechava's survival of the fittest clue! I didn't catch that D= The spy also smokes right? ![[image loading]](http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/701/original/600px-Gentlemen.jpg) This could be why he was breathing heavily/out of breath. | ||
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Hugoboss and 3 Lions have been pathetically inactive this entire game. Now there's multiple clues pointing towards them. If this isn't mafia behavior I don't know what is? | ||
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For what it's worth, onihunter is also linked to the clues. In his profile it says he's been swimming since 5 years old, which connects to the "floating" clue from the first day post. This better turn out to be right though. The town may not be a lost cause, but I certainly feel like it's in dire straits. Losing another lynch on a possible townie could be the nails in the coffin. Going to vote for onihunter+double lynch now. I'll try to look at his post history a bit later, as well as the other analyses of him. Still a lot of time to change our votes if something changes. | ||
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