World at War Mafia

On April 07 2010 02:52 haster27 wrote:
Wait, citizen. Did you just replace infund?

On April 07 2010 03:08 JeeJee wrote:


retaliate = nuking people that nuke you
no idea why you separate the two as if they are different

On April 07 2010 10:47 Iaaan wrote:
looks like the town loses with tonight's hit. Doubt there is a 3rd faction. unless it happens to be 6:4 split, which i doubt.

On April 07 2010 22:41 Fishball wrote:


Ok, let me change the question a bit. What makes you think the nuke stealer would target one of you two, a variable, instead of someone else that can't transfer, a constant? Hell, someone like China have 3 nukes just sitting there. Also, what makes you think your nuke(s) are so much more important than others?

Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night.

Results: Caller visited Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

On April 08 2010 03:43 Caller wrote:
Okay, that does it guys:

I am actually Japan. I have no antinukes left, for the record, because I shot down the one that RoL launched at me. You may be wondering why I was acting all mysterious and suspicious throughout the entire fucking game. That's because I knew that if I claimed Japan and /or made myself not a lynch suspect, I would definitely get night hit and that means I wouldn't be able to figure out if I was insane or paranoid. Which, of course, means that my checks would turn up diddly squat and be completely useless.

We still got this:
Mafia KP is one per night. There clearly are no more than 4 mafia left. Therefore there have to be at least 5 townies. If we hit a mafia every night, we win. SK is dead so KP is down to one for lynch.

HOWEVER: I can now say that I am officially Insane.

Now consider:

I checked citi.zen last night and he came out town. That's right, town. Which means that I am insane and that therefore he is scum.

There's our lynch for today.

On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote:
Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.

I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.

Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia.

I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game.

I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal.

Firstly, Infundibulum claims Paranoid Gun Owner. This is a very powerful role as it prevents people from visiting you at night without death. Now, because you want to draw mafia hits as it’s a free kill, in addition to preventing blues from being suspicious and checking you out, you take an active role in town discussion. Instead, both you and Infundibulum just kind of sat on your ass and only came out to defend yourself from allegations, otherwise you just kind of hmm de hmmed while other townies died.

The other effect of Paranoid Gun Owner is that it’s a deterrent to all blues to visit you, including DTs . At this point in the game, I was like why the fuck not, check him out, it’s almost over anyways. The very fact that I’m still alive and came out with a check means that you cannot possibly be the Paranoid Gun Owner.

Thirdly, your entire defense has been a by-the-book chainsaw defense (meaning you attack the other person instead of pleading your innocence). While this is not a hundred percent trustworthy, it can be a scumtell, especially when other people defend you in a similar fashion.

Fourthly, your posts have been “I need to catch up to the game and do reading, blah blah blah.” This may be valid but usually these posts are just an excuse for inactivity. If you’re innocent in general, and ESPECIALLY the Paranoid Gun Owner, you should just start firing away at everybody and hoping either you get mafia to slip up or you cause mafia to put a hit on you.

You and Infundibulum have done neither, instead preferring to AFK your way to victory. This is a valid strat as paranoid gun owner to counter blue sniping. However, you don’t fucking CLAIM paranoid gunowner if you’re doing this strategy.

In other words:
a) Both of you contributed nothing
b) You have a way to deter night visitors through your claim
c) If you truly are Paranoid Gunowner then you are playing your role terribly and letting mafia blue snipe no problem. Why the fuck would you roleclaim that shit AND pretend to be a blue?
d) My check shows you as innocent and since I checked meeple (blue) as red, that means I am insane and you are red. And because I visited you and I’m still alive, you clearly cannot be the Paranoid Gunowner.

And haster, your entire post is a great example of Mutual Chainsaw Defense (scumtell). Rather than show why citi.zen isn't scum because of his reasons, you attack me because "It's obvious that Caller is scum."
Really now?

On April 08 2010 05:03 Abenson wrote:
Alright, ~OpZ~ didn't die.
So... I think he is at work right now, but I want to release some of the PM's he sent me.
We feared that he would be the one to die today, and he sent me a bunch of things/thoughts for me to post if he had died.
I think i'll let ~OpZ~ himself explain, but if he's busy i'll just post the PM's

We need to think this out.

##NUKE: ~OpZ~

On April 08 2010 09:27 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I think I've previously said my feelings on this. Want what are you talking about voting you out because you advocated Nikons death? I'm not voting you out, I'm voting citizen out. What kind of statement is that Haster? Are you citizen?

Terribly wording maybe, but I've done said you seem shady as fuck several times. Then citizen pops on backing everything you say? Making the same arguments? Honestly, Caller could damn well be red. I've made plenty of arguments to justify why he would be red. But I'm also severely suspect as you, and YOU ADDED TO MY OWN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU, by saying the mafia role blocker MAY NOT BLOCK so one of his fellow MAFIA can claim to have been blocked.

Infundiblum...He's come and popped up being helpful and gets banned. I didn't like his role. It doesn't seem very town to me, but Xelin's screamed mafia too so who knows.. Great fucking timing

On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote:
so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view:

caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia.

On April 08 2010 11:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:


Caller claiming Japan makes him EXTREMELY less scummy. Just saying...If he would of saved himself, then claimed Japan out in the open, mafia would of hit him. He would of seemed extremely more pro town. Meaning a higher chance the mafia would hit him.

Because Infund false claimed? Obvious. Not that hard to see.
How would you deter the known cop to investigate you?
Claim townie or claim a blue that can't be checked. Haster/Infund

Insane Cop. Terrible argument, you need to reread the thread. Meeple came out red. D3 came out red
You came out Town. Meeple is confirmed, and D3 will be confirmed.

On April 01 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Ok. I'm off work, done dinner, and caught up with the thread.

First off, I want to point out my two top suspects besides Xelin. I would talk about Xelin later on.

Nikon, for trying to extend the day for the N'th time with his last minute nuke, against town consensus (duh), at an arguably lesser target based on general consensus, Zona.

Caller, lurking and laying low. Of course this alone wouldn't be enough for him to make the top of my list.

Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night.

Results: Caller visited Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

Pretty much self explanatory right here.

So Meeple and Amber was killed last night. We don't know if Mafia have more than one KP or not. If they do, the kills would easily make sense and Caller could very well be Mafia.

Let's assume Mafia only has 1 KP, and the other kill was from a Vigilante or the sort. Now Xelin pops out and says:

due to the reason:


Now, to me, this is just simply wording, and doesn't specifically means anything. A Mafia can also kill a target and the target would be "found dead" in the morning, no? Also, as mentioned in the thread, Amber was already suspected by some players, why would the Mafia hit him if this was the case? If a vigilante were to choose between Meeple and Amber, most likely it would be Amber. My point is, regardless of how much KP the Mafia has, Meeple is likely hit by a Mafia, and Caller took an action against Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

Now, my ability only tells me who visited who at night, but doesn't tell me what the player did to the other player. Regardless, I'm 100% sure that Caller has a Night ability. Is he a Medic? Don't think so, as the Mafia would literally have to use 2 KP on Meeple to kill him. Is he a DT? Among so many "suspicious" players out there, what are the chances Meeple being checked? Coincidentally having Meeple die on the same night? Also, I consider my role like a mini-DT. Would there actually be a full DT role in this game? These are all hypothetical questions, but when you answer them all, the most likely scenario is that Caller is red and he killed Meeple.

One thing I don't understand is Xelin. His actions is like asking to be lynched, like the Village Idiot role pointed out by others already. I don't know what Xelin and Nikon have against Zona, as the majority of the players is obviously not seeing what they see, but after the Nikon stunt, Xelin has the guts to do the same thing, again, almost immediately (6 minutes) after the Night post. It doesn't matter if you are Mafia or Town, this move is just retarded.

If we put aside Xelin's "kill-me-please" plea, what should we do with Nikon and Caller? Nikon's move during Day is far more suspicious to me, and has yet to answer to his actions. Should town launch its first consensual nuke?

On April 08 2010 11:58 Caller wrote:

By the way citi.zen, your entire "Martyrdom" approach doesn't help your case at all. The last time people have tried this approach (capek and iaaan) they were both scummier than the bottom of a boat sitting in water too long. In fact I would've used this as rationale for lynching you without any of the incriminating evidence, because no innocent would EVER make this kind of self-immolation without some kind of ulterior motive, which you clearly don't have.

In fact, martyrdom is such a scumtell that I'm going to vote for you again.
##vote: citi.zen

On March 29 2010 00:58 citi.zen wrote:
I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.

Go ahead and lynch me.

On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote:
Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts.

GL town.

On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:
All I can say is:




rage much?

I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim.

Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore.

I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person.

I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over.

On April 08 2010 15:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:

We're gonna have a few nukes in the air. I'm not letting the mafia weasel their way out and get Caller lynched. Haster and Citizen's arguments are complete shit. You, me, and even caller himself have pretty much decimated each of their arguments....It's a really pathetic attempt. Citizen will probably remove his vote.

I will extend until we have a majority. I am not dealing with one of these no lynch situations. I'd have Abenson vote and have it anti-nuked if I he were here.

On April 08 2010 17:19 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
sorry about getting banned guys. apparently there was some rules post in a thread, which i missed because it was in the middle of some page and not bolded or anything. and thus i got upset at ignorance and broke the rules.

big thanks to citi for stepping up and substituting.

On April 08 2010 23:55 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


Wait am i playing again?

On April 09 2010 01:24 JeeJee wrote:


of course i would vote for citi.zen
look at our track record, the one anti-town player we caught was because his role claim was inconsistent
nikon claiming vet -> nuke reflected -> wtf? -> lynch nikon -> anti-town
citi.zen claiming PGO -> no abilities -> wtf? -> lynch citi.zen -> ???

for the record citi.zen, if you're going to claim a special role in the future, at least make sure you say you have powers that a townie does not.

for the record citi.zen, if you're going to claim a special role in the future, at least make sure you say you have powers that a townie does not.

On April 09 2010 04:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Gonna change your vote? Time's getting pretty close.

On April 08 2010 03:43 Caller wrote:
Okay, that does it guys:

I am actually Japan. I have no antinukes left, for the record, because I shot down the one that RoL launched at me. You may be wondering why I was acting all mysterious and suspicious throughout the entire fucking game. That's because I knew that if I claimed Japan and /or made myself not a lynch suspect, I would definitely get night hit and that means I wouldn't be able to figure out if I was insane or paranoid. Which, of course, means that my checks would turn up diddly squat and be completely useless.

We still got this:
Mafia KP is one per night. There clearly are no more than 4 mafia left. Therefore there have to be at least 5 townies. If we hit a mafia every night, we win. SK is dead so KP is down to one for lynch.

HOWEVER: I can now say that I am officially Insane.

Now consider:

I checked citi.zen last night and he came out town. That's right, town. Which means that I am insane and that therefore he is scum.

There's our lynch for today.

On April 09 2010 06:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Where were you to further argue with me earlier? I would of preferred that. Honestly I have no idea which of you is mafia. Caller not being mafia pretty much hands the game over to town, right then and there. Almost everyone becomes confirmed. Sounds extremely nice. Now let's see if he's right.

Citizen voters and would-be voters:

Iaaan
LMNOP
Caller
JeeJee

I would like this to be noted.

I would also like it to be noted all who didn't cast their votes.
D3. Abenson, Haster, Myself, Citizen.

Let's see where this goes after Caller dies.

D3 cast your vote.

You may be wondering why I was acting all mysterious and suspicious throughout the entire fucking game. That's because I knew that if I claimed Japan and /or made myself not a lynch suspect, I would definitely get night hit and that means I wouldn't be able to figure out if I was insane or paranoid.

On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote:
Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.

I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.

On April 09 2010 11:07 JeeJee wrote:


ok. before i do though, i want to make sure we're on the same page with this point (can't believe i'm arguing with a mason but anywho..)
you agree he claims it in the same day, great.
therefore, he did not intend to entice a nuke steal, correct?
then, what was the point of changing his claim? recall the circumstances: you FoS citizen, he replies with "I'm PGO". As a response to a FoS to deter DT followup on your FoS, this makes perfect sense. As a way to entice nuke steal it does not.
Are we on the same page here?

I can roleclam for you guys as well, though it's nothing exciting: I am China, pro-town, and have 3 nukes. However I am not allowed to nuke anyone unless they nuke me first.

And you said it yourself, the fact that you think my ability (named Paranoid Gun Owner, btw) "sounds" like a mafia ability doesn't mean squat.

Clarification: I am only allowed to make retaliation strikes. Yeah, it would be awesome (kinda) to be able to nuke 3 people at once, but that's a no go.

On April 07 2010 03:12 citi.zen wrote:

Right.

On April 09 2010 12:25 JeeJee wrote:
sorry, it seems i have missed communicating one very important point.

we have confirmation that citizen lied. we do NOT have confirmation that caller lied (at least not yet). This is what boggles me the most here, that we are voting for a 'maybe' over a 'for sure'.

let me elaborate -- citizen claims his ability is to counter nukes. Then he claims his ability is PGO. One of these is a lie. We know this. You bring up the point that he may have left out the piece about killing@night because he wanted to entice a nuke steal. I pointed out how this cannot be the case because he did not wait for night post before he changed his claim.

also


actually i believe this would paint him in an even worse light if it were possible -- after his claim of PGO, someone presumably visits him at night and does not die. This would just mean another lie.

Townies have no reason to do the lies that citizen has made. The ONLY reason that I can see, you have outlined: enticing a nuke steal. However, the events that transpired after rule out this possibility completely. In fact, they actually fit in very well with a mafia choosing to claim PGO in order to stop your FoS from becoming a reality. maybe you actually nabbed a mafia there and caused him to panic?

oh and finally, one nuke was stolen from me

also, re: this latest replacement, i guess this means waiting for a d3 modkill isn't an option, so we are back to discussing citizen vs caller. i'm trying my hardest to explain my position, and i'm pretty sure my judgment is correct here.

On April 09 2010 13:31 Iaaan wrote:
anyone considered lynching haster or LMNOP? (:

afk more sorry I can't be more active

##vote citizen because people who are probably townies are voting for him and they probably need my vote ^^

On April 09 2010 22:08 JeeJee wrote:


reading the thread will prevent posts like these i'm afraid
but as long as we're absolutely clear, i will adress this too, although I really shouldn't have to. However, at this time, nobody can afford being misinformed so I will lay this out too.

first of all, understand the context in which this post was made. me and opz were debating about caller, and i had fully addressed my suspicions of his lies about his anti nuke arsenal as well as his country. would you like me to pull up the post? after this was taken into account, i stated, as I am stating here again, that the main reason I suspect you over caller is because you lied about your role whereas caller did not. (at this point actually opz brought up that caller may have in fact lied about his role too, but upon further inspection this was not the case -- if it were, my entire position would have to be rethought. I have already said many times caller's claim is sketchy and I would lynch him in an instant UNTIL you showed up. This is very important which is why I'm stating it for the umpteenth time so we're all on the same page here)


The other bit about the PGO -- it is an assumption, and a perfectly valid one. Just as a vigi kills at night, so does a PGO kill his visitors. It is what the role is about. It's not just mafia scum. Every single mafia site agrees.

ECNet:
http://wiki.ecnet.org/wiki/Mafia


Neoseeker
http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki/The_Mafia_Game/Army_Veteran


Mafiascum
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner


Would you like me to keep going?
This isn't a matter of opinion. You lied about your role.

On April 09 2010 22:33 JeeJee wrote:


I disagree. if I were to claim vigilante, I don't have to specifically claim that my role is killing people at night. There may be game-specific restrictions like I cannot kill on the first night, or can only kill twice or whatever, but either way I can kill people at night.
Likewise for PGO -- by stating you are PGO, you are explicitly claiming your ability to kill any night visitor indiscriminately. maybe the restriction is you can only do it once then revert to townie (a popular variation) but the underlying mechanics is always there.

as a sidenote to opz -- i have only been skimming you versus lmnop for the reason that if my judgment is correct here, there is at least one mafia between lmnop/iaaan, and very likely both of them are. am i reading this correctly, did he accuse you of being mafia?

Anyway I guess the game ends today. I'm not extending again, and no lynch = mafia win. GG guys. I'm going to work at 12. And I said that last night. Choke.

On April 10 2010 00:37 JeeJee wrote:


to be fair, i'm not saying caller is being consistent. I'm saying he's the lesser of the 2 evils because at least he hasn't provably lied about his role in a way that doesn't make sense for a townie but does make sense for a mafia trying to dodge a FoS placed by opz
or, would you like to pull up my relevant posts so that i may have a clearer idea of what you mean by saying "you keep saying caller is being consistent"?
like i said, nobody can afford being misinformed here

On April 10 2010 00:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:
##Vote Elemenope

He is mafia by numbers.

If Caller is truthful, Elemenope can't be mafia unless their is three mafia, and we continue to accept JeeJee as Town. Remember, Caller "checked" D3.
Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee
If Haster and Citizen are right
Citizen, Haster, Abenson, Me, JeeJee

Otherwise we are not in a lylo situation and can be wrong.

On April 10 2010 00:47 JeeJee wrote:
yeah i'm ignoring it on purpose. what value would it have here? pretty sure the only reason i'm alive is because I hinted I am triggerhappy or hatter type role. whether I am that role or plain jane or even something random like a medic, doesn't affect my logic and shouldn't affect your decision making with respect to said logic. remember, if we are in 5-4, we will be in lylo for the next four days, not just today assuming no extra kp. if mafia want me to shut up, i'd rather have them debate about it.

On April 10 2010 00:57 ~OpZ~ wrote:
"as a sidenote to opz -- i have only been skimming you versus lmnop for the reason that if my judgment is correct here, there is at least one mafia between lmnop/iaaan, and very likely both of them are. am i reading this correctly, did he accuse you of being mafia?"

Good, then you don't mind lynching LMNOP with me?

Citizen, we need 5 votes for the majority, not 4. And if lynching LMNOP will convince JeeJee, I'm fine with it. I've done explained he can't possibly be town no matter what if this is Lylo

On April 10 2010 01:20 JeeJee wrote:


this still stands unanswered by opz, which irks me the most because this is what i base my whole argument on citizen's lynch about.
it has been standing unanswered this entire time, even after i started ignoring all of my other points/queries in an effort to get your official stance on this one so there is no confusion with other points, yet somehow this still remains unanswered.
please please PLEASE answer this. give me your official statement here. I have done my best to answer every single thing about my position and i believe i have done so. please return the favor by answering this one thing

On April 10 2010 00:43 citi.zen wrote:

How does it make sense for a townie to claim Cop so as not to be a mafia target? This only makes sense for a red - since they are not afraid to be killed at night.

On April 10 2010 04:57 JeeJee wrote:
FUCK INTERNET LAGGINGP OST ALRDY




first of all, one of the 'prongs' of my argument isn't that your role seems inconsistent with my view of PGO. no. again wrong. let me be perfectly clear. You claim ability X. then you claim role Y with ability Z. There isn't a matter of opinion or assumption here. I have outlined many times, google f'ing PGO if you so desire, i am tired of explaining this point for the umpteenth time. citizen has lied on his role, provably lied, and you don't give a damn. this isn't my view on PGO, this is definition of PGO.
now, this lie (this provable lie) does not make sense if you are a townie. Period. it does make sense otoh if you are a mafia. this is why i am voting for you. and am upset i have only been able to convince iaaan of this fact.

now onto caller's claims. again, i am distraught he isn't posting but that seems to be irrelevant now.
his lies so far included lying about his country name and lying about his antinuke arsenal. both of these i have addressed and did state they look sketchy. however townies can lie with appropriate motive -- look at opz, he has lied several times and he's as good a townie as any, but this works because he had the right motive. however, citizen's lies DO NOT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MOTIVE FOR IT from a townie point of view. moreover they are more severe and confirmed in the sense that he lied about his role. our track record indicates the only anti town player we caught was because he lied about his role!
god damn i can't make it any f'ing clearer than this.

and the worst part? opz has not addressed the very simple fact that citizen has provably lied about his role. this is what irks me and at this point this is the only thing i want him to answer.

again i re-state:
##vote:citizen

On April 10 2010 10:25 Elemenope wrote:



I don't know why mafia didn't follow the same strategy. Why don't you go ask them?

On April 10 2010 10:34 haster27 wrote:

1) The nuke can only be launched at Day.
2) You are an idiot.

On April 10 2010 09:55 haster27 wrote:

citizen, WE HAVE THIS SHIT SEALED. WE HAVE 100% CHANCE OF LYNCHING ELEMENOPE, AND CALLER WILL BE MUCH EASIER TO VOTE OFF TOMORROW. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM RESPONDING TO JEEJEE's PROVOCATIONS. THIS IS WHERE YOU BECOME EITHER MVP or LVP

On April 10 2010 09:52 JeeJee wrote:


he's a fucking lying cunt, he can't do shit
you want me to bold it?
##Nuke:citi.zen

(10:14:22 PM) Ace: almsot a lynch
(10:14:25 PM) Ace: massive accusations
(10:14:33 PM) Ace: busts out a bus driver fucked me over insane cop role claim
(10:14:37 PM) Ace: and everyone nods their heads
(10:14:40 PM) Ace: this is bs lol

On April 10 2010 03:40 citi.zen wrote:
I can't believe you guys are still not seeing that Caller is red. It's beyond me how he can have you believe one lie after another after another simply by changing his story after any new suspicion is shed on him.

Look at micro-mafia 1. I was in the same situation with Ace there. I was right there too. Of course, being right doesn't matter if you can't persuade others, so I guess I fail and Caller wins. Too bad for the town. Sorry, I am out of patience.

On April 11 2010 08:38 Bill Murray wrote:
caller for MVP obviously

Excellent use of the PGO thing to draw fire away from Caller, but I really think it wasn't fair to call it that. Or, citi.zen/Infund could've just left out the role name, since you should know it will draw that kind of fire...