I'll just explain it...
Or better yet, get ~OpZ~ to explain!
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
April 07 2010 23:05 GMT
#2041
I'll just explain it... Or better yet, get ~OpZ~ to explain! | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
April 07 2010 23:06 GMT
#2042
I'll explain later. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
April 07 2010 23:07 GMT
#2043
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 07 2010 23:38 GMT
#2044
On April 08 2010 03:54 Caller wrote: roleblocking someone else guarantees lynching me = mislynch = probable town loss roleblocking me = exonerates me = unlikely lynch of me = lynch someone else = possible lynch of mafia = we're still in this This is ridiculous. By your argument you shouldn't even accuse me of being scummy since I was "exonerated" by today's roleblock. Mafia roleblocker can always choose not to roleblock anyone for the day, so that his scum partner or himself can step up and state that he has been Roleblocked. Seeing as how you think I am pulling Mutual Chainsaw Defense for not mentioning citizen (my post was even before you posted list of reasoning that incriminates him as Mafia), I will address your points against citizen as well and show why you are more worthy lynch target than him. I am combining your first and fourth argument because their point seem to be similar. You argue that infund and citizen has not been that active in the thread. Okay, I am ruling citizen out from the start. He had just been replaced yesterday. How can you accuse person who just replaced in of inactivity? Hell, JeeJee even suggested he do some reading, so there is nothing strange with citizen posting that he will be looking over the thread. Thus this is summary of your argument: Paranoid Gun Owner must be active in order to cause Mafia to night-kill him. Infund has not done this. However, only thing we know is that he is only able to counter against nukes launched to him. Nothing has been spoken about him being immune to night kills. Because every activity seems to be being carried in terms of nukes (proved by RoL who launched a nuke instead of insta-killing his target after death), it is possible what infund has said could be his entire ability. I just feel like you are making too many assumptions here about role you don't know which makes me uncomfortable. Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. Accidental edit. Any mods who can see the content of the post before my accidental edit please confirm I have backed up my posted completely. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 07 2010 23:40 GMT
#2045
On April 08 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm in class. And seriously? You understand mis-lynching today will cause Town to lose, feels like voting me out because I advocated for Nikon's death instead of Caller, yet you would suddenly flop your position like this? I will eagerly await your explanation. | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
April 07 2010 23:56 GMT
#2046
Caller is weaving another complicated and incoherent story to get out being lynched. Remember how he made up a bus driver and claimed Israel after the (now dead and confirmed) tracker caught him visiting meeple the night he was killed. Now he is making up his own rules quoting other forums to justify his own idiotic words. Look, lynch me if you want and lose the game already. Caller is so obviously red that you deserve to lose as a town if you can't see that at this point. Nothing left to say. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
April 08 2010 00:27 GMT
#2047
Terribly wording maybe, but I've done said you seem shady as fuck several times. Then citizen pops on backing everything you say? Making the same arguments? Honestly, Caller could damn well be red. I've made plenty of arguments to justify why he would be red. But I'm also severely suspect as you, and YOU ADDED TO MY OWN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU, by saying the mafia role blocker MAY NOT BLOCK so one of his fellow MAFIA can claim to have been blocked. On April 08 2010 08:38 haster27 wrote: This is ridiculous. By your argument you shouldn't even accuse me of being scummy since I was "exonerated" by today's roleblock. Mafia roleblocker can always choose not to roleblock anyone for the day, so that his scum partner or himself can step up and state that he has been Roleblocked. What?! I said this to abenson: One of haster or LMNOP is mafia. I am almost certain of that. Probably haster. He's really pushing for Caller's lynch right now, when I was more concerned about hitting Caller last night because we knew he was confirmed. You notice the suspicion being pressed upon LMNOP right? Iaaan (whom haster still suspects). I'm not sure where this is going as I'm kind of suspicious of haster. I don't know what to think though about that. Now, Japan hasn't claimed, which really puts Caller in a bad light. But it could just be a stupid ass townie. Caller will probably be lynched tomorrow. It's obvious Nikon was trying to draw being nuked ALL GAME, by his random nuke at Zona, that wasted our ONE OF OUR FUCKING anti-nukes. Ass hole. Infundiblum...He's come and popped up being helpful and gets banned. I didn't like his role. It doesn't seem very town to me, but Xelin's screamed mafia too so who knows.. Great fucking timing. -_- ...Fishball? He's the one know knew about Caller's night actions, so he's probably town aligned. Caller, like I posted in the thread, unless some fucking MORONIC ASS TOWNIE LIED. The SK hitting Iaaan tonight would be the most useful thing ever. It wouldn't confirm Iaaan because the SK wont step forward, but it would add tell us to believe Iaaan. D3, if he is mafia, Elemenope is mafia. And Elemenope he said he would post more after the nuke...And we're still waiting for it.... /end statements These have been my thoughts. I've not editted them. Saved them. Waited. Sent them to Abenson so I'd have some marks after I died, and so I'd have all my thoughts written down in a nice, easy to post format. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 01:01 GMT
#2048
On April 07 2010 21:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2010 11:41 haster27 wrote: At least one thing is clear; Japan is Mafia, thus Caller is Mafia. The town either have no anti-nukes, or Townie having anti-nukes were afraid of using it because people were saying how Japan handles this missile will verify it's intentions. At least we have firm plan on who to lynch tomorrow; although all of us Townies will probably have to vote, I am hoping some Mafia will join in on the Caller bandwagon as well because voting someone else is going to be blatant anti-town move. Actually it would be much better if SK could hit him and leave us one less Mafia to deal with, of course. I pointed this out yesterday. And everyone decided Nikon was a better target. I even suggested that NIKON WAS THE THIRD PARTY. It would A)Explain the nuke rebound and B)Explain the night hit he took. Third party's usually are a combo of vet and vig. I'm fed up with you, and I honestly think one of you and LMNOP are mafia. I'm all for lynching you to tell you the truth. I had Caller confirmed as Mafia YESTERDAY, and we lynch Nikon because "He lied about his ability so he should die" YES he SHOULD. But look at me, I seemed to catch on he was third party, and where'd my vote stay? ON CALLER, where EVERYONE else's should of been. Also, I don't care you suspect me or not. What I am asking is why you would advocate lynching someone that is not 100% mafia (citizen) over someone that is surely mafia (Caller). This was exactly what you were advocating yesterday, lynch of confirmed Mafia (Caller) over someone that is not 100% mafia (Nikon). And lynch target alternative to Mafia today being accused by Caller himself, I cannot understand why you would not continue following principle you strongly argued for when the lynch target was far much more scummy. Mislynch today will result in Mafia victory. The town must lynch Mafia, thus it is beneficial for the Town to lynch someone who is most likely Mafia. The other Mafia suspects can be lynched next day. Voting for citizen because he shares same opinion as me is ridiculous. To oppose Caller is to support citizen. And I am willing to believe most Townie will share my belief in importance of voting out confirmed Mafia today. However, according to your argument anyone that defends citizen is automatic scum. In fact, when someone comes out to argue that Caller is being non-sensical, citizen is placed in worse position because his "scum buddies" are rallying to rescue him! Of course meanwhile it is not anti-town to follow words of confirmed Mafia and vote citizen. Look, you two are confirmed Townie, and in current state of the town all the Townies need to vote for the same person to get someone lynched. That means that if Mafia does not join in the person Town is rallying against, voting for the person you voted for will be the only way Townie can keep the Mafia from controlling the vote. Which is why I strongly recommend you change your votes to Caller after some consideration, and argue about lynching me or citizen next day. Is this acceptable? | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
April 08 2010 01:58 GMT
#2049
On April 08 2010 09:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: I think I've previously said my feelings on this. Want what are you talking about voting you out because you advocated Nikons death? I'm not voting you out, I'm voting citizen out. What kind of statement is that Haster? Are you citizen? Terribly wording maybe, but I've done said you seem shady as fuck several times. Then citizen pops on backing everything you say? Making the same arguments? Honestly, Caller could damn well be red. I've made plenty of arguments to justify why he would be red. But I'm also severely suspect as you, and YOU ADDED TO MY OWN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU, by saying the mafia role blocker MAY NOT BLOCK so one of his fellow MAFIA can claim to have been blocked. So you think Haster is suspect, then promptly go on to vote for me. Good job. Oh wait, it's because of the evidence: Infundiblum...He's come and popped up being helpful and gets banned. I didn't like his role. It doesn't seem very town to me, but Xelin's screamed mafia too so who knows.. Great fucking timing Rock solid. BUT WAIT, there's more: Caller said he role-checked me at night, while at the same time claiming I can't be checked, err... have a role which deters checks because I can retaliate. Of course, Caller is still very much alive, there was no retaliation. As I've said many times before, the only thing China can do is nuke those who nuke it first. Not... you know... kill those who check it. Let us not forget the final piece here: Caller's supposed check came out town, which must mean I am red, of course! In summary: nothing Caller said made sense (surprise). Not only that, Caller is a serial liar, who visited meeple the night he was killed and tried to remove suspicions from himself inventing a bus-driver + role claiming Israel. Don't even get me started with the seesaw defense crap argument he brought up, or the quotations from another irrelevant forum. All that aside, Caller is red so it's OK for him to do everything he can to get out of being lynched. He is doing a decent to very good job. On the other hand, OpZ buddy, you had better be red too. I know everyone thinks you are confirmed town, but if that really is the case this is just about the worst show I've seen in these mafia games. | ||
Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
April 08 2010 02:23 GMT
#2050
caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. | ||
Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
April 08 2010 02:24 GMT
#2051
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
April 08 2010 02:25 GMT
#2052
On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote: so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view: caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. Since when were you confirmed townie? | ||
Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
April 08 2010 02:33 GMT
#2053
Do you believe Caller or not? | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
April 08 2010 02:34 GMT
#2054
On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote: so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view: caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. Good argument. Please follow through and vote for me. At least it will end the game. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
April 08 2010 02:39 GMT
#2055
On April 08 2010 10:58 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2010 09:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: I think I've previously said my feelings on this. Want what are you talking about voting you out because you advocated Nikons death? I'm not voting you out, I'm voting citizen out. What kind of statement is that Haster? Are you citizen? Terribly wording maybe, but I've done said you seem shady as fuck several times. Then citizen pops on backing everything you say? Making the same arguments? Honestly, Caller could damn well be red. I've made plenty of arguments to justify why he would be red. But I'm also severely suspect as you, and YOU ADDED TO MY OWN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU, by saying the mafia role blocker MAY NOT BLOCK so one of his fellow MAFIA can claim to have been blocked. So you think Haster is suspect, then promptly go on to vote for me. Good job. Caller claiming Japan makes him EXTREMELY less scummy. Just saying...If he would of saved himself, then claimed Japan out in the open, mafia would of hit him. He would of seemed extremely more pro town. Meaning a higher chance the mafia would hit him. BUT WAIT, there's more: Caller said he role-checked me at night, while at the same time claiming I can't be checked, err... have a role which deters checks because I can retaliate. Of course, Caller is still very much alive, there was no retaliation. As I've said many times before, the only thing China can do is nuke those who nuke it first. Not... you know... kill those who check it. Because Infund false claimed? Obvious. Not that hard to see. How would you deter the known cop to investigate you? Claim townie or claim a blue that can't be checked. Haster/Infund Let us not forget the final piece here: Caller's supposed check came out town, which must mean I am red, of course! Insane Cop. Terrible argument, you need to reread the thread. Meeple came out red. D3 came out red You came out Town. Meeple is confirmed, and D3 will be confirmed. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
April 08 2010 02:42 GMT
#2056
On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote: so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view: caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. A lot of confirmed people... | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
April 08 2010 02:52 GMT
#2057
On April 08 2010 11:33 Elemenope wrote: I suppose I should rather ask: Do you believe Caller or not? And whom do you believe. Who do you feel is more vote worthy. I don't see you or Iaaan casting votes? Or even really stating a position. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
April 08 2010 02:53 GMT
#2058
On April 08 2010 11:25 Elemenope wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote: so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view: caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. Since when were you confirmed townie? Oh, and he knows about the Veteran's being protected from night and day hits. Seems like something awkward to know. Didn't noticed how he questioned Nikon if he had a night and day life? | ||
Caller
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2010 02:58 GMT
#2059
On April 08 2010 08:38 haster27 wrote: Going through what I believe are major point of your posts because some people are starting to make strange votes. Show nested quote + On April 08 2010 03:54 Caller wrote: On April 08 2010 03:44 haster27 wrote: So why wasn't you roleblocked? roleblocking someone else guarantees lynching me = mislynch = probable town loss roleblocking me = exonerates me = unlikely lynch of me = lynch someone else = possible lynch of mafia = we're still in this This is ridiculous. By your argument you shouldn't even accuse me of being scummy since I was "exonerated" by today's roleblock. Mafia roleblocker can always choose not to roleblock anyone for the day, so that his scum partner or himself can step up and state that he has been Roleblocked. Seeing as how you think I am pulling Mutual Chainsaw Defense for not mentioning citizen (my post was even before you posted list of reasoning that incriminates him as Mafia), I will address your points against citizen as well and show why you are more worthy lynch target than him. I am combining your first and fourth argument because their point seem to be similar. You argue that infund and citizen has not been that active in the thread. Okay, I am ruling citizen out from the start. He had just been replaced yesterday. How can you accuse person who just replaced in of inactivity? Hell, JeeJee even suggested he do some reading, so there is nothing strange with citizen posting that he will be looking over the thread. Thus this is summary of your argument: Paranoid Gun Owner must be active in order to cause Mafia to night-kill him. Infund has not done this. However, only thing we know is that he is only able to counter against nukes launched to him. Nothing has been spoken about him being immune to night kills. Because every activity seems to be being carried in terms of nukes (proved by RoL who launched a nuke instead of insta-killing his target after death), it is possible what infund has said could be his entire ability. I just feel like you are making too many assumptions here about role you don't know which makes me uncomfortable. Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. ~Opz~ already addressed most of your points, but here's another one: You say how every ability seems to revolve around nukes. Well I will just say this: We had a medic in addition to antinukes, so the medic clearly doesn't block nukes. We have (had) two detectives. Neither of whom looks at nukes but at people. We also have a veteran (iaaan) who can take night hits. Not nukes. So clearly, there are plenty of roles that don't involve nukes. So why does citi.zen's "I can retaliate, just like everyone else" role make him a Paranoid Gunowner? No, the only reasonable explanation is that he's lying and trying to bullshit the role of a Paranoid Gun Owner. This especially makes sense because Infundibulum was the one that claimed and now Citi.zen, who has clearly revealed that he doesn't pay optimal attention to the thread (by ignoring how I am Insane and therefore the "innocent" means he's scum) slips up the roleclaim by claiming his abilities are something everyone has. By the way citi.zen, your entire "Martyrdom" approach doesn't help your case at all. The last time people have tried this approach (capek and iaaan) they were both scummier than the bottom of a boat sitting in water too long. In fact I would've used this as rationale for lynching you without any of the incriminating evidence, because no innocent would EVER make this kind of self-immolation without some kind of ulterior motive, which you clearly don't have. In fact, martyrdom is such a scumtell that I'm going to vote for you again. ##vote: citi.zen | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
April 08 2010 02:59 GMT
#2060
On April 08 2010 11:39 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2010 10:58 citi.zen wrote: On April 08 2010 09:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: I think I've previously said my feelings on this. Want what are you talking about voting you out because you advocated Nikons death? I'm not voting you out, I'm voting citizen out. What kind of statement is that Haster? Are you citizen? Terribly wording maybe, but I've done said you seem shady as fuck several times. Then citizen pops on backing everything you say? Making the same arguments? Honestly, Caller could damn well be red. I've made plenty of arguments to justify why he would be red. But I'm also severely suspect as you, and YOU ADDED TO MY OWN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU, by saying the mafia role blocker MAY NOT BLOCK so one of his fellow MAFIA can claim to have been blocked. So you think Haster is suspect, then promptly go on to vote for me. Good job. Caller claiming Japan makes him EXTREMELY less scummy. Just saying...If he would of saved himself, then claimed Japan out in the open, mafia would of hit him. He would of seemed extremely more pro town. Meaning a higher chance the mafia would hit him. Show nested quote + BUT WAIT, there's more: Caller said he role-checked me at night, while at the same time claiming I can't be checked, err... have a role which deters checks because I can retaliate. Of course, Caller is still very much alive, there was no retaliation. As I've said many times before, the only thing China can do is nuke those who nuke it first. Not... you know... kill those who check it. Because Infund false claimed? Obvious. Not that hard to see. How would you deter the known cop to investigate you? Claim townie or claim a blue that can't be checked. Haster/Infund Show nested quote + Let us not forget the final piece here: Caller's supposed check came out town, which must mean I am red, of course! Insane Cop. Terrible argument, you need to reread the thread. Meeple came out red. D3 came out red You came out Town. Meeple is confirmed, and D3 will be confirmed. Here we go again: where has Infund ever claimed that a cop cannot check him? This is BS - the only thing I can do is nuke those who nuke me, as I've said multiple times. Do you want to find out? Nuke me! Please. Maybe we'll get a draw out of this. Caller's insane cop claim is totally untrustworthy. He only made it up as a complicated cover to exonerate himself from killing meeple. Let me refresh your memory (btw awesome tip on the "read the thread" suggestion!): On April 01 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote: Ok. I'm off work, done dinner, and caught up with the thread. First off, I want to point out my two top suspects besides Xelin. I would talk about Xelin later on. Nikon, for trying to extend the day for the N'th time with his last minute nuke, against town consensus (duh), at an arguably lesser target based on general consensus, Zona. Caller, lurking and laying low. Of course this alone wouldn't be enough for him to make the top of my list. Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night. Results: Caller visited Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead. Pretty much self explanatory right here. So Meeple and Amber was killed last night. We don't know if Mafia have more than one KP or not. If they do, the kills would easily make sense and Caller could very well be Mafia. Let's assume Mafia only has 1 KP, and the other kill was from a Vigilante or the sort. Now Xelin pops out and says: Show nested quote + On March 31 2010 14:16 XeliN wrote: Also presumably a Vigilante type role used their ability to kill Meeple during the night due to the reason: Show nested quote + On March 31 2010 14:24 XeliN wrote: The mafia has 1 KP during each and every night, 2 people have died, one specified "has been killed during the night" the other "has been found dead" As far as I can tell that means someone town side has used an ability incorrectly, or possibly the mafia have a similar ability, but it doesn't make much sense for them to have night kill abilities as well as KP Now, to me, this is just simply wording, and doesn't specifically means anything. A Mafia can also kill a target and the target would be "found dead" in the morning, no? Also, as mentioned in the thread, Amber was already suspected by some players, why would the Mafia hit him if this was the case? If a vigilante were to choose between Meeple and Amber, most likely it would be Amber. My point is, regardless of how much KP the Mafia has, Meeple is likely hit by a Mafia, and Caller took an action against Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead. Now, my ability only tells me who visited who at night, but doesn't tell me what the player did to the other player. Regardless, I'm 100% sure that Caller has a Night ability. Is he a Medic? Don't think so, as the Mafia would literally have to use 2 KP on Meeple to kill him. Is he a DT? Among so many "suspicious" players out there, what are the chances Meeple being checked? Coincidentally having Meeple die on the same night? Also, I consider my role like a mini-DT. Would there actually be a full DT role in this game? These are all hypothetical questions, but when you answer them all, the most likely scenario is that Caller is red and he killed Meeple. One thing I don't understand is Xelin. His actions is like asking to be lynched, like the Village Idiot role pointed out by others already. I don't know what Xelin and Nikon have against Zona, as the majority of the players is obviously not seeing what they see, but after the Nikon stunt, Xelin has the guts to do the same thing, again, almost immediately (6 minutes) after the Night post. It doesn't matter if you are Mafia or Town, this move is just retarded. If we put aside Xelin's "kill-me-please" plea, what should we do with Nikon and Caller? Nikon's move during Day is far more suspicious to me, and has yet to answer to his actions. Should town launch its first consensual nuke? THEN Caller claimed Israel. When that story didn't work anymore he claimed Japan. I don't know what more "proof" you need. Like I said before, I get Caller's behavior, I just really hope you are also red and doing this on purpose. | ||
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