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On April 08 2010 11:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote: so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view:
caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. A lot of confirmed people...
I can see that I as am not confirmed, but it still stand that you and opz are confirmed and that if caller is town then d3 is town because of his checks, yes?
The other option is opz abenson citizen me (but of course im not confirmed) and someone else on a team, obviously caller and citizen can't be on the same team.
Still, to me at least, the question that answers everything is weather or not caller is town, we have to decide one way or the other, and then we basically know who's on what team.
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and unless someone wants to counter claim japan (which is unlikely), to me it seems like caller is probably town.
I'm a little surprized that nukes haven't started flying yet o:
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On April 08 2010 11:58 Caller wrote:
By the way citi.zen, your entire "Martyrdom" approach doesn't help your case at all. The last time people have tried this approach (capek and iaaan) they were both scummier than the bottom of a boat sitting in water too long. In fact I would've used this as rationale for lynching you without any of the incriminating evidence, because no innocent would EVER make this kind of self-immolation without some kind of ulterior motive, which you clearly don't have.
In fact, martyrdom is such a scumtell that I'm going to vote for you again. ##vote: citi.zen
Another excellent point - congrats! This from last game I played in:
On March 29 2010 00:58 citi.zen wrote: I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.
Go ahead and lynch me. and...
On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote: Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts.
GL town. Of course, I was green in that game too. Comrade Caller is on a roll. Not only did he miss completely with the "seesaw defense" (since I actually attacked him first), now he clearly right about the "martyrdom" approach - such a sure scum-tell.
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In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town.
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only 1 more vote for citizen ^.^
##vote citizen cuz i forgot to bold it
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On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. NO. GODDAMN IT. I WILL NOT ALLOW TOWN TO FAIL THIS MUCH.
I am leaving soon, but I will try to find hole in Caller's argument and turn the game around by tomorrow. Please extract your retarded self-vote NOW.
By the way, Caller can you please clarify this portion of my previous post? Your choice of role-check makes no sense at all.
Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position.
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On April 08 2010 12:16 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. NO. GODDAMN IT. I WILL NOT ALLOW TOWN TO FAIL THIS MUCH. I am leaving soon, but I will try to find hole in Caller's argument and turn the game around by tomorrow. Please extract your retarded self-vote NOW. By the way, Caller can you please clarify this portion of my previous post? Your choice of role-check makes no sense at all. Show nested quote +Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. Because infund came out the wood work just a little while ago? Or maybe because the game would been over right then and there if INfund didn't lie about his role and we wouldn't be sitting through this? Seems pretty smart actually.
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And everyone is gone now?
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Yeah really, where's that last vote? Or maybe a nuke? Please nuke me - OpZ and Caller told me I should search for trouble more, so i can use my power... so please nuke me! Worst case scenario we get a draw :-)
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All I can say is:
On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town.
rage much?
I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim.
Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore.
I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person.
I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over.
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On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:All I can say is: Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. We're gonna have a few nukes in the air. I'm not letting the mafia weasel their way out and get Caller lynched. Haster and Citizen's arguments are complete shit. You, me, and even caller himself have pretty much decimated each of their arguments....It's a really pathetic attempt. Citizen will probably remove his vote.
I will extend until we have a majority. I am not dealing with one of these no lynch situations. I'd have Abenson vote and have it anti-nuked if I he were here.
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Also, JeeJee, thoughts? Caller or Citizen. Caller has played amazingly well. With this lynch the town is split in half. And we know who everyone is.
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On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:All I can say is: Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. You are also correct: everything makes sense except for Inf's role-claim. Meeple's death when Caller visited him was a coincidence, as were many other things Caller has since managed to perfectly explain by changing his story every day. Even his behavioral analysis was spot-on every time: I was trying to defend myself by accusing him, even though at that point there were no accusations on me. Not to mention the martyrdom - that's a clear sign of a mafia, as seen in prior games.
So don't bother thinking about any of that - it's cool, just vote. OpZ told you to, and he's confirmed town, right? Just do it - these guys are legit.
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On April 08 2010 15:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:All I can say is: On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. We're gonna have a few nukes in the air. I'm not letting the mafia weasel their way out and get Caller lynched. Haster and Citizen's arguments are complete shit. You, me, and even caller himself have pretty much decimated each of their arguments....It's a really pathetic attempt. Citizen will probably remove his vote. I will extend until we have a majority. I am not dealing with one of these no lynch situations. I'd have Abenson vote and have it anti-nuked if I he were here. I salute your air-tight logic. And I vote you for LVP. Unless you are red.
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On April 08 2010 15:16 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:All I can say is: On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. You are also correct: everything makes sense except for Inf's role-claim. Meeple's death when Caller visited him was a coincidence, as were many other things Caller has since managed to perfectly explain by changing his story every day. Even his behavioral analysis was spot-on every time: I was trying to defend myself by accusing him, even though at that point there were no accusations on me. Not to mention the martyrdom - that's a clear sign of a mafia, as seen in prior games. So don't bother thinking about any of that - it's cool, just vote. OpZ told you to, and he's confirmed town, right? Just do it - these guys are legit.
I am more leaning towards you lying about your role claim because...you know....you are. Why would you have a Paranoid Gun Owner role when you lack the absolute function of a Paranoid Gun Owner that makes him so Paranoid and a Gun Owner. Your role with what infund and you have claimed may as well be Pussy who won't fire nukes first rather than Paranoid Gun Owner as it definitely pertains a lot more to what your role is supposedly.
Fishball has claimed tracker: he tracked where caller went, as per every single tracker out there in mafia.
Opz and Abenson are Masons, and as such, they can communicate with each other, as per every single mason out there in mafia.
Nikon was SK, and as such, he killed people at night, as per every single SK out there in mafia.
Infund/you are Paranoid Gun Owner, and as such, you don't kill people who visit you at night [even by your own admission], as per....no paranoid gun owner, ever?
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sorry about getting banned guys. apparently there was some rules post in a thread, which i missed because it was in the middle of some page and not bolded or anything. and thus i got upset at ignorance and broke the rules.
big thanks to citi for stepping up and substituting.
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Citizen Caller Iaaan ~OpZ~ Citizen
Caller Citizen Haster27
Can we get our votes on to citizen before the nuke lands?
I'd rather his lynch be already set up.
Nuke lands at 2:03 KST FYI
Just need one more to lynch.
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People who haven't voted: JeeJee D3 LMNOP
I would like to hear from all of these players as to why they haven't cast their votes yet. The argument is a pretty split one. Maybe I'm missing some things, but I would like to know every elses take on whether they trust Caller or not.
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