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On March 27 2010 07:37 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 07:19 L wrote:On March 27 2010 07:05 Iaaan wrote:
and watch L start attacking me now. lol. Nah, the points I disagree with I've already put counter arguments out against prior. I can fully understand townies falling on both sides of this issue. That said, if I do end up dying, take responsibility. Okay@paragraph 1, maybe I was a bit rude, I really do enjoy playing with you, even when you do stupid things ;p The way I see it happening is that tree.hugger will take the brunt of 'responsibility' directly, most other people will be ignored. But of course I won't deny that I supported your nuking.
Should actually probably be the reverse. Tree.hugger should probably die for the firing of the nuke itself. Those who attempt to get me killed by intervening via the anti-nuke option seem to be in a more comfortable area for mafia who want to take me out; unlike tree.hugger, they can potentially escape.
That would be why I want you to take responsibility.
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Seriously, where is the unanimous mood the Town shared against nuke at early stages of the game? At then everyone agreed that non-concensus nuker was bad, and only matter up to debate was whether we should counter-nuke or lynch him. I simply cannot understand why people are suddenly changing their stances to say that nuking is fine as long as it is fired against "unconfirmed" Townie.
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On March 27 2010 07:53 johnnyspazz wrote:
hrm so im a retard and didn't read my role carefully
do you guys mind if i save myself and L at the same time?
wat
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On March 27 2010 07:58 haster27 wrote:
Seriously, where is the unanimous mood the Town shared against nuke at early stages of the game? At then everyone agreed that non-concensus nuker was bad, and only matter up to debate was whether we should counter-nuke or lynch him. I simply cannot understand why people are suddenly changing their stances to say that nuking is fine as long as it is fired against "unconfirmed" Townie.
And nukes shouldn't be fired without discussion, but I have changed my opinion, we should account for them once they have been fired and use them to our advantage, not just save people and lynch idiots, if we can be reasonably certain that they are town.
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i wish someone had the power to redirect nukes.
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On March 27 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 07:53 johnnyspazz wrote:
hrm so im a retard and didn't read my role carefully
do you guys mind if i save myself and L at the same time? wat
seriously i dont even know
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On March 27 2010 08:25 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 07:58 haster27 wrote:
Seriously, where is the unanimous mood the Town shared against nuke at early stages of the game? At then everyone agreed that non-concensus nuker was bad, and only matter up to debate was whether we should counter-nuke or lynch him. I simply cannot understand why people are suddenly changing their stances to say that nuking is fine as long as it is fired against "unconfirmed" Townie. And nukes shouldn't be fired without discussion, but I have changed my opinion, we should account for them once they have been fired and use them to our advantage, not just save people and lynch idiots, if we can be reasonably certain that they are town.
Essentially my position.
Nuke's in the air, maybe I made a bad call, and maybe I made a lucky call, but either way, there's no going back and taking it back, there's only the choice of whether to shoot it down or not.
On March 27 2010 07:16 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +I launched the nuke for two reasons:
- The first was that L had it coming. If he's town, and the nuke kills him, then at least we'll be spared his incessant whining and opining until the next mafia game. (and he invariably will try to kill me off immediately, but that's a fight for another day...). I know he probably won't change, but I was getting tired of him anyway.
- The second reason was that I'm curious to see if L is mafia or not. About the only way I can force a rolecheck is by nuking the dude. If he's saved, hopefully enough people will see the light, and we'll also get the name of one of the mafia-aligned countries.
Third reason: As I've said multiple times throughout the thread, when L is posting, important town discussions literally get shut down, and L moved the discussion to whatever inane thing he thinks is important. L really doesn't help the town much at all. these three reasons spread over two posts. 1) Invalid
From a purely logical point of view, yes, I concede the point.
2) So if we're curious about someone being scum, we should just launch a nuke and ask for it to hit because we can't force a rolecheck either way?
Oh, of course not. My example is a terrible one to follow, I would certainly not like anyone else repeating it.
3) Then shift the focus away from that. If you think he's being a detriment to the town, state so - use CAPS bold giant red coloring to get attention.
I didn't use caps, but I did think he was making a terrible argument/advocating a terrible strategy, and I said this many times.
The only reason why L has the ability to derail threads is because people fall into his 'word traps'. L can't derail a thread by himself, the player list isn't just L, L, L, L, L.
That's what L thinks, though.
On March 27 2010 07:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +The only reason why L has the ability to derail threads is because people fall into his 'word traps'. L can't derail a thread by himself, the player list isn't just L, L, L, L, L. Its more like L is dumb enough to refute arguments multiple times, so when they're restated he repeats his counter argument. I think I'm going to start numbering my posts and paragraphs so that I can refer back to the argument in paragraph 2, post 6 or some shit.
You've seriously got to tone the ego down.
You're right as often as you're wrong. Get it into your head that your intellectual weight is no greater or lesser than anyone else here, we're all trying to do our best to support the town effort, and that by working with people you can achieve more than by browbeating everyone into falling into line behind yourself.
Learn a little humility, and learn a little patience, and learn to treat people with a little more respect.
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On March 27 2010 08:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:On March 27 2010 07:53 johnnyspazz wrote:
hrm so im a retard and didn't read my role carefully
do you guys mind if i save myself and L at the same time? wat seriously i dont even know
Oh, and this is hilarious.
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forget what i said about my day 2 abilities, i dont have anything special besides nuking.
i'm just going to save myself, obviously, and save L, because i dont think nuking someone for personal reasons is smart. i'm letting the ToD stay at zero.
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On March 27 2010 08:58 johnnyspazz wrote:
forget what i said about my day 2 abilities, i dont have anything special besides nuking.
i'm just going to save myself, obviously, and save L, because i dont think nuking someone for personal reasons is smart. i'm letting the ToD stay at zero.
So wait, you mean after you use your two anti-nukes, you'll have nothing special besides nuking?
Fair enough, we start again with zero evidence of anything, and down three anti-nukes. Not where I hoped we'd be, but it's your right to save yourself.
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On March 27 2010 08:58 johnnyspazz wrote:
forget what i said about my day 2 abilities, i dont have anything special besides nuking.
i'm just going to save myself, obviously, and save L, because i dont think nuking someone for personal reasons is smart. i'm letting the ToD stay at zero.
whoa, wait, this is bullshit. It's fucking obvious you have a role other than just having nukes/anti nukes. If not, you wouldn't have said anything about Day 2 roles, or that you didn't read your PM correctly.
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i feel that is better to have more people alive longer for more discussion since mafia only have 1 kp
my special ability was actually a special handicap where i can't nuke or anything until day 2.
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EBWOP: nuke or retaliate nuke
typing "something" is shorter than retaliate nuke
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On March 27 2010 09:04 Elemenope wrote:
whoa, wait, this is bullshit. It's fucking obvious you have a role other than just having nukes/anti nukes. If not, you wouldn't have said anything about Day 2 roles, or that you didn't read your PM correctly.
this is correct
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On March 27 2010 09:05 johnnyspazz wrote:
i feel that is better to have more people alive longer for more discussion since mafia only have 1 kp
my special ability was actually a special handicap where i can't nuke or anything until day 2.
Pro tip: we aren't in day 2 yet.
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EBWOP: unless you mean by anything, you meant the 'something' in your EBWOP
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ugh fml, yes i messed up my post sorry
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And on top of that, you can only launch one anti nuke a day as per rules stated in OP.
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... wow i'm being really dumb
okay thank you for pointing out for me
although i think i'm probably dead when night comes
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On March 27 2010 09:17 johnnyspazz wrote:
... wow i'm being really dumb
okay thank you for pointing out for me
although i think i'm probably dead when night comes
Does that mean you already sent the PM? Why would you send a PM defending L first then you?
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