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On March 25 2010 07:06 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Yes. Me and Abenson are masons. I know his role/country, he knows mine. It's the same role, just different country. Masonic order. I can talk privately with him.
Please somehow get Abenson to confirm this in the thread. You might want to figure out how to breadcrumb his country as well (and vice versa) but it might be tough now that we're looking for it.
If Abenson can't even return to confirm Opz's claim...pathetic.
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On March 25 2010 06:51 Elemenope wrote:
If Abenson and OpZ are on the same side as you imply, why not lynch one and we get the validity of the other?
This is a TERRIBLE idea from the POV of the town. If you lynch one just to test their claim and it turns out they were indeed masons, you just removed their beneficial power, as the remaining mason is effectively just a normal town member afterwards. Or if there were more than 2, removing one from their circle removes a tremendous amount of benefit that they could have derived from an extra person in the discussion. And if you retort that having 3 people in a circle is almost the same as 2, all I can do is shake my head. The mason advantage is often dismissed too easily, but it's really the same advantage that mafia typically have, on a smaller scale (other than the nightkill). The big mafia advantage is information (they know their team) and coordination, contrasting directly with the town disadvantage of LACK of information, and lack of coordination. A mason group grants a small group of town members this advantage, which can be powerful if used correctly.
Also, this is DAY 1. It's not too late to wait to test things, and it's far too early to lynch claimed roles.
I don't like how you've totally developed tunnel vision on the two and won't consider anything else, especially on day 1. If you want to talk about anti-town or scummy behavior, there's some right here.
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On March 25 2010 07:17 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them.
we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them. Usually that would be the case, but KP of Mafia in this game is 1. This means we have some breathing room as long as no one becomes crazy and start launching nukes. It seems somewhat obvious that OpZ and Abenson, although having failed massively, are likely innocent. Why decrease number in our side and decrease our probability of winning?
Whether or not we have "breathing room", no lynches are horrible, they allow mafia to control who dies, and what information is revealed. If we no lynch we have ZERO chance of hitting mafia, but if we lynch, at least there is a probability that we reduce their numbers by one. As well, after a successful lynch, the town can later review how players voted when new information surfaces to learn more about each player who participated in the vote.
As for Mafia KP being one, I think it's highly likely there's a third party who also probably has a KP of 1 as well. If there's no other regular kill, this game has the potential to drag on forever with so many players.
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I am suggesting RebirthOfLegend, since he is the next best lurker. However, with less than 6 hours to go, I do think it will have to be Abenson (or L), which is against my wishes.
How about this - if you are online, reading, and willing to change your vote, post! Quote this post and reply if you must.
We need to consider if we have enough town members to change who the majority will be, or else we have to settle for Abenson or L.
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At this point I don't think we have that choice.
ATTENTION TOWN MEMBERS! IF YOU ARE ABLE TO READ THIS POST AND WILL CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR VOTE, QUOTE THIS POST AND REPLY!
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Haster, LMNOP - I hope you stick around and can change your votes back to Abenson if this thing doesn't get any traction.
Sigh...
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Well you can leave now if you wish, just check back later.
At this rate I'm actually afraid we won't even be able to lynch one of L or Abenson.
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Anyone voting for RebirthOfLegend with us needs to be ready to switch back to another candidate if this choice doesn't gain traction, so we can obtain a majority vote to avoid a no lynch for day 1! If it's possible, try to spare some time to check back later today, before 12AM EST!
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Alright, I've had enough of this for now. I'll be back closer to the deadline.
MY MESSAGE TO ANY TOWN MEMBERS WHO ARRIVE IN THE THREAD:
There are less than 5 and a half hours remaining until the lynch deadline is up. We need to reach 12 votes on someone by then or we lose our chance to lynch, and lynching is tremendously important for the town to gain information. So you need to place a vote towards someone who could conceivably reach a majority of votes. As of now, L, Abenson, or RebirthofLegend seem like players who could possibly reach majority in votes. I personally would prefer to lynch RebirthofLegend, but at the very least vote for one of the leading candidates.
If you arrive in the thread very close to the deadline at 12AM EST...vote for the player with the most votes! We need to reach majority!
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Wow. You're a star, RoL. You're a real star. But more on that later.
I think we as a town have two options. One: anti-nuke, and lynch RoL. Alternatively: let the nuke fall on Caller as some have suggested, and lynch RoL if Caller is not mafia.
Option one is what we've been discussing all game, and the reasoning for taking this path is well established.
Why does the alternative option have some merit to make it worth considering? Well it centers on the fact that Caller hasn't really contributed, despite being a veteran mod and player. Now that the nuke is already in the air, if you subscribe to my earlier idea that we should be stingy with anti-nukes to have some going to the late-game, we need to think twice before using them. Caller does claim to plan to participate more later, but it's a claim we cannot prove or disprove during the time to make the decision to anti-nuke. If the nuke lands and by some tiny chance Caller is mafia, then RoL is actually okay. He somehow got rid of a mafia for us, even if it was against everything the town has established together in its ground rules. If Caller is revealed as town-aligned OR EVEN THIRD PARTY, then RoL is lynched. Lynch RoL even if Caller is third party because mafia could have easily targeted their nuke at anyone not on their team and just happened to hit third party.
But in any case, this is not something we can vote on, since anti-nukes are used privately. We can't hold anti-nuke users accountable in public, so basically all our discussion takes place so those who actually have anti-nukes can read it and make their decision. So those WITH anti-nukes, consider what has been said in the thread and make your decision.
What I suggest is that we as a town place 10 or 11 votes on RoL. Then the moment the nuke is resolved, we can finish the lynch by placing the last 1 or 2 votes, or shift the votes away, in the slim chance that the nuke lands and Caller is mafia.
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RebirthOfLegend. Awesome player.
Comes into the game without reading and understanding the rules. Without reading the posts. With wrong assumptions left and right. And goes against the plan that everyone other player, so far, has adhered to. And worse - you seem to stop caring about winning (helping your side win) the moment your "life" is in danger by making boneheaded moves. Do you even understand the game? The game is about helping your side win, not surviving. If you somehow live long in the game and your side loses, you still lose.
On March 25 2010 08:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I decided I don't feel like wasting 2-3 hours reading around 15 pages just to die especially since I think you can get some more information via nuke.
What a piss poor attitude. You signed up to play, and now you don't feel like reading? What did you sign up to do, anyways? To get your username into the "list of players" then ridiculed for not participating? Do you realize that your posts just before you die are the most important posts you make in a game, since when you die, your alignment is revealed and players can re-examine what you've said knowing who you were?
On March 25 2010 09:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I also wasn't posting as much because I didn't fully read the rules yet LOL!
So you didn't POST because you didn't fully read the rules...but you decided to NUKE instead? Is your logic a bit backwards? Worried about screwing up your posts (somehow?) by not understanding the game rather than screwing up the GAME by nuking before comprehending?
And your obnoxious "LOL"'s in place of any hint of shame or regret. Do you think being cute will make up for the fuckup you've caused? Good riddance.
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On March 25 2010 11:58 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 11:57 Zona wrote:
What I suggest is that we as a town place 10 or 11 votes on RoL. Then the moment the nuke is resolved, we can finish the lynch by placing the last 1 or 2 votes, or shift the votes away, in the slim chance that the nuke lands and Caller is mafia. Just glanced through as I'm about to play more D2 right now, but if the nuke lands, it goes to night with a no lynch if we don't have majority.
If this is true, we need to place a majority vote on RoL before the nuke lands. I will ask Ace.
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On March 25 2010 12:11 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 11:58 Elemenope wrote:On March 25 2010 11:57 Zona wrote:
What I suggest is that we as a town place 10 or 11 votes on RoL. Then the moment the nuke is resolved, we can finish the lynch by placing the last 1 or 2 votes, or shift the votes away, in the slim chance that the nuke lands and Caller is mafia. Just glanced through as I'm about to play more D2 right now, but if the nuke lands, it goes to night with a no lynch if we don't have majority. If this is true, we need to place a majority vote on RoL before the nuke lands. I will ask Ace.
I have confirmation. LMNOP is correct, the vote counts as the nuke falls is final.
Town members - vote for RoL. He has launched a nuke - an anti-town action, and the response must be death. We've gone over the reasoning very thoroughly, please read earlier posts to see how we have decided on this.
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BM, I appreciate the effort you are putting into considering the country distribution, but I don't think it has any bearing on the game as of now. I actually went through the map ACE posted (it's from an alarmist website) and started to identify the non-red countries in case there was any useful information (greenland, peru, chile, uruguay, ecuador, columbia, panama, venezuela, guyanana, suriname, french guiana, cuba, morroco, benegal, niger, ghana, etc.) then stopped as I realized with so many countries in both the red and white groups, it probably wasn't useful information and shelved that idea.
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On March 25 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:
If you anti-nuke it, the day goes back to "normal". Hence if we already passed the original 48 hours, and you anti-nuked the nuke then once its done, we go to night.
We need to get a majority vote on RoL as soon as possible, in case an anti-nuke is launched! If an anti-nuke is launched the day may end earlier than the 24 hour extension we expect to get, and if we don't have a majority vote, we will end up no lynching!
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On March 25 2010 12:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just to point this out, even if Caller flips red I am still not proven innocent.
You really aren't helping things. It's true that there is a mathematical possibility that if Caller flips red that you are mafia as well, but in that case you are the worst mafia player in the world. If that were the case, you are about to kill, or at least put a lot of heat on one of your fellow mafia members who had very little suspicion at that point, to maybe have a chance of saving yourself.
If you were really mafia and did this - I would want you to stay alive. And keep screwing up and revealing all the other mafia, before we finally got rid of you as well.
Now if you were a really, really sophisticated player, which you have proved beyond doubt you are NOT (by not reading rules, not reading posts, etc. etc.), you could have launched the nuke hoping that it would be anti-nuked. So you divert attention away from yourself and simultaneously bus your mafia teammate, Caller (supposing he was your teammate). But even this wouldn't save yourself because we would have lynched you all the same.
But all of this is hypothetical discussion that can all be ignored. We've clarified the rules, and since we do not have any time between getting information from the nuke and finalizing the lynch vote, the lynch must decided on you before the nuke lands.
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On March 25 2010 12:36 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 12:29 Zona wrote:On March 25 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:
If you anti-nuke it, the day goes back to "normal". Hence if we already passed the original 48 hours, and you anti-nuked the nuke then once its done, we go to night.
We need to get a majority vote on RoL as soon as possible, in case an anti-nuke is launched! If an anti-nuke is launched the day may end earlier than the 24 hour extension we expect to get, and if we don't have a majority vote, we will end up no lynching! Are you saying you're in a position to be able to make use of the extra 24 hours?
I don't believe that I in particular have anything I can do to make use of the extra 24 hours. I was operating under the assumption that the town might not already have a majority vote on RoL, so hitting the lynch deadline (as a nuke was cancelled) would be bad, but a rough (so it's not solid!) re-reading of the thread shows that we have 14 votes on him, if we include non-bolded votes and other misformatted votes. So we should be okay either way. Someone else count the votes as well in case I've screwed up.
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On March 25 2010 11:17 Caller wrote:
Well, RoL, I came back and was pleased to find that someone had fired the first nuke of the game. I was slightly less pleased that I was the target, but nonetheless bravo for having the balls to do something like this.
Please tell us if being "pleased to find someone had fired the first nuke of the game" is sarcasm or not. Just so that we can be sure.
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On March 25 2010 08:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am just saying when I die look at his hypocrisy from saying I am most likely innocent to preserve balance which logically makes sense, to I am inactive scum.
Since I'm going through everything again I might as well respond to this as well. A player is allowed to change their mind when a good reason is given. And the reason was given here:
On March 24 2010 00:08 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 13:15 Zona wrote:
P.S. RoL is probably vanilla town or miller, since he was added as the extra player after roles had already gone out. It'd be termendously unbalancing to add another mafia member. And I doubt Ace would invent another third party role just for an extra player, although that probably would be the most balanced way of handling things.
uh, just to address this. ace is fcukin crazy. no one's alignment, even though RoL was added in at the last minute, is for certain. don't make this mistake.
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I'm glad you're posting more than fluff now that you're in the hot spot.
On March 25 2010 12:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think saying that nuking is anti-town is fucking dumb. The mafia and the town have to avoid nuking because alternate conditions can end the game, and neither side would win.
Okay. "The mafia and the town have to avoid nuking because..." and "saying that nuking is anti-town is fucking dumb." Am I the only one to see the contradiction here, in two sentences right next to each other? The town has to avoid nuking, but saying nuking is bad is dumb? In any case the town has gone through the reasoning very thoroughly already, and has come to the conclusion that nuking first is not a good idea for town members.
On March 25 2010 12:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
What I think is actually about to happen is Caller isn't going to die, at least by my nuke. I think he is mafia and was feigning a weak country (as seen in earlier posts) and the mafia is going to protect him for the night since you can't see who is actually going to do it.
I'm glad you're finally posting content. If you end up town, we should probably consider this statement, among the things you have posted. But of course while a town member's views are not tainted by a mafia's intentional lies, they aren't necessarily correct in of themselves.
Here's an interesting one:
On March 25 2010 12:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
just mobbing me for having only 3 fucking posts rofl.
So you're saying lynching someone for being inactive is bad. (Actually for the day 1 lynch I would say it's often the best we can do. But let's go with your premise for the moment.)
I think Caller would be grandstanding at this point trying to get power and give some good ideas since hes in a precarious position without any PMing.
And your case against Caller is that he's...being inactive. Because you expect him otherwise to be really involved by "grandstanding" and so on. And you think so strongly about your case that you think you should nuke him. To summarize: Caller's worth nuking because he was inactive, but you're NOT worth lynching because you were inactive.
Sigh.
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