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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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citi.zen
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On April 08 2010 17:19 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: sorry about getting banned guys. apparently there was some rules post in a thread, which i missed because it was in the middle of some page and not bolded or anything. and thus i got upset at ignorance and broke the rules. big thanks to citi for stepping up and substituting. I guess the one piece of good news is you did not get modkilled. Good luck. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 08 2010 19:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: Citizen Caller Iaaan ~OpZ~ Citizen Caller Citizen Haster27 Can we get our votes on to citizen before the nuke lands? I'd rather his lynch be already set up. Nuke lands at 2:03 KST FYI Just need one more to lynch. We have til 5:03 KST til nuke lands. I'm not quite sure what clock you're looking at. Also: you have Abenson to call on a vote for Citizen if you truly believe citizen to be scum. I'm also willing to believe as such, but would like to hold my vote a bit unless there's anything else he or haster want to say. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
pretty impressive, i have to applaud your brilliant deduction skills. why am i getting a flashback of everyone-has-a-gun-game where whatshisface posted a list of confirmed mafia calling ace-the-townie gf, xelin-the-medic as a mafia, plus himself and mafia teammate as mafia. OH hold on, i know why. your analysis is trivial. anyone can come to the conclusion that if caller is legit, so must be d3, and with opz and abenson, the person that brings this up must be the fifth confirmed townie. i was just waiting for this. the only question was who would bring it up? a townie or a mafia? thanks for making it easy for me to decide. if either opz/abenson brought it up for example, this would be a much tougher spot. let me rip the mafia to shreds iaaan haster citi.zen lmnop first -- by looking at vote counts first day is kind of a non issue i feel, as everyone voted for rol. if you want, for the sake of completeness, these four fellas went along and all voted for rol too, but this means squat. second day - these four people again voted for xelin together (confirmed non mafia). not only did they vote, but they basically single-handedly created the wagon third day - these four people YET AGAIN voted together for nikon (confirmed non mafia). similar situation as day 2, wagon creation today - citizen/haster starting on caller, big surprise second -- by abilities first, anyone get their nukes stolen today? i think most everyone has posted now, nobody has claimed this. when someone like china has three nukes just lying around, how can you NOT steal them? wait, wouldn't that go against the paranoid gun owner claim (i'll get to that nutshell of gold in a minute). After all, how can you claim your nukes got stolen if no nuke thief pops in the night? Actually I suppose you can claim your role's power is to nuke other people instead, which brings me to... ....the paranoid gun owner claim itself. this is so full of shit i don't know where to start. yes mafia roles change from time to time, but if it is a noticeable change, the name changes as well. you'll never find a detective without an investigative ability, likewise you'll never find a paranoid gun owner who doesn't cause indiscriminate death to both town and mafia at night. newsflash: the ability to nuke people who nuke you isn't a special ability. it is a feature of this game. it is like claiming "oh my special ability is to vote during the day". thirdly -- by setup how many mafia ARE in this game? i find it interesting that iaaan hasn't even considered the point that there might not be four mafia, but less. know too much? all we know is that there isn't five mafia. there could be anywhere from 1-4. Given the special abilities that we know exist (nuke thief and role block), there's gotta be at least 2. so 2, 3 or 4? consider that 2/22 would be a ridiculous setup, as 2/9 is the norm, and doubling both numbers will actually give us 4/18. of course this is far from a normal setup, but 2 is just so out there, it would be almost as difficult winning as with SK. earlier a lot of people agreed on 4-5 being the optimal number and since we know it's not 5, four seems a good number. 3 is a distant possibility that we should keep in mind though (as if a bus exists, that means every mafia has a special ability, which makes this actually not so bad) lastly -- by behavior I first raised my eyebrow that something was up when citizen came in the game, with I is here! I'll try to decide who to vote for after I've had a bit of time to read through the posts. As of now I guess it's between Nikon and Caller. Then, not even 20 minutes later, he busts out his vote. i don't know about you, but simply finding the summary posts and vote counts will take me like 20 minutes, nevermind actually reading them and understanding the context in which they were made. secondly, the whole of citi.zen's defence against caller makes no sense. claim arguments aside, there are so many inconsistencies in citizen's posts, whereas caller's at least kind of make sense in a clusterfuck kind of way. a bunch of that, no doubt, is due to citi.zen being new to the game. finally, the iaaan explanation. how can all this be true if iaaan-the-presumed-mafia brought it up? nukes aside, at this point mafia kp = townie kp, and we're permanently in lylo town. we cannot improve the situation unless we risk nukes, and with radiation levels as they are (and by my earlier estimates we are only four nukes away from ToD loss), it wouldn't be the best of risks to take. it looks like the plan was two-fold -- try and get caller lynched to win the game right there, or if that fails, try and get a lynch on a random townie later on. of course this could be a very elaborate distancing plan too, but i highly doubt that. however, even if that was the case, that doesn't alter the alignments of haster and citi.zen, who are both shoe-ins for red candidacy. likewise, if there are only three mafia, i guess this could explain it too. i do feel for mafia in that case as 3/22 is quite a tough setup to win with, even if each of you have a special ability The final thing i'd like to bring up is does this make sense? ALL OF THESE four candidates have been brought up as serious suspects in the past. their defences don't hold up, the claims are full of shit, the arguments are nonsense, the vote histories are against them and their behavior is tell-tale. honestly, i would have voted for caller's clusterfuck of a claim until citi.zen came in with the gem about his roleclaim and ability. and we almost certainly know, barring some epic mindgames, that caller and citi.zen are on different teams. Consequently, this makes caller (and as a result, d3) legit in my eyes, and the rest is history. at this point i am certain on citi.zen and haster, so we at least are going to make good progress there. for the last mafia or two, being split between lmnop, iaaan or both, that's going to be our next big decision. however if we're down to those two, i propose a simple course of action: use a lynch/nuke combo to get them both dead, as given the numbers, this will make it town victory. if there's a townie among them, they should support this so we nuke/lynch. if there isn't who cares what they say so we nuke/lynch. ##vote:citi.zen What's the matter, is that mafia squirming I hear? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On April 08 2010 21:00 citi.zen wrote: I guess the one piece of good news is you did not get modkilled. Good luck. Wait am i playing again? | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
The good news is this will soon be over - we now have the votes for the lynching. Have fun - next time maybe try to think for yourselves. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
I am not sues it will be for long - these guys have decided to listen to Caller's claim that we came up green so must be red and lynch us. Plus, they don't believe the role changed compared to what Caller told them it was on mafiascum. | ||
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citi.zen
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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citi.zen
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 09 2010 00:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Really? Damn...So add JeeJee to my vote for Citizen list... You know, if you want to say something, it'd be preferable to say it as soon as possible. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On April 09 2010 00:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Really? Damn...So add JeeJee to my vote for Citizen list... of course i would vote for citi.zen look at our track record, the one anti-town player we caught was because his role claim was inconsistent nikon claiming vet -> nuke reflected -> wtf? -> lynch nikon -> anti-town citi.zen claiming PGO -> no abilities -> wtf? -> lynch citi.zen -> ??? for the record citi.zen, if you're going to claim a special role in the future, at least make sure you say you have powers that a townie does not. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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citi.zen
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On April 09 2010 01:24 JeeJee wrote: of course i would vote for citi.zen look at our track record, the one anti-town player we caught was because his role claim was inconsistent nikon claiming vet -> nuke reflected -> wtf? -> lynch nikon -> anti-town citi.zen claiming PGO -> no abilities -> wtf? -> lynch citi.zen -> ??? for the record citi.zen, if you're going to claim a special role in the future, at least make sure you say you have powers that a townie does not. ROFL - I wasn't even playing when the claim was made, how ca I have been inconsistent? When I started to play and someone asked, I confirmed that I can only nuke those who nuke me. Thanks for paying attention. Anyone want to nuke me? I can pretty much guarantee a draw. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On April 09 2010 01:35 citi.zen wrote: ROFL - I wasn't even playing when the claim was made, how ca I have been inconsistent? When I started to play and someone asked, I confirmed that I can only nuke those who nuke me. Thanks for paying attention. Anyone want to nuke me? I can pretty much guarantee a draw. last i checked, you and infund have the same role, and you yourself said you're PGO. are you saying now that infund lied and you're in fact not a PGO? figure out your story already oh yes, the tod. squirm away! now that you have no chance to actually win, might as well make us lose too right? well, can't fault you there | ||
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citi.zen
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
doesn't really answer my question the fact remains, you, as in citi.zen, not you as in citizen/infundi, claim PGO but without PGO powers (evidently you have plain townie powers instead), then when i say that's inconsistent, you come back with "i didn't claim PGO so it's not being inconsistent!" huh? | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
for the record citi.zen, if you're going to claim a special role in the future, at least make sure you say you have powers that a townie does not. I did not decide to claim anything in this game - I cam into a situation where my role had already been claimed. So thanks for the advice, but it is completely irrelevant. You guys are too hung up on what you think the paranoid gun owner's powers are, instead of dealing with the serial liars in this game who got you into this messy situation. It is what it is, I don't know how to be any clearer than to tell you again Caller needs to be lynched after I flip China/paranoid gun owner - which will confirm for the nth time he does not have the role he claimed to have. At the very least promise me you will keep that in mind, since right now you won't listen to reason. | ||
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