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On March 11 2010 14:27 Vivi57 wrote: oh and I think it'll be very obvious very quickly if he's trying to pull fake rolechecks So you're basically trying to claim DT for him without him actually claiming it. OK. I'm going to sleep, but this is pretty hilarious. | ||
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On March 11 2010 18:34 Bill Murray wrote: He insinuated he was a detective, and BloodyC0bbler PM'ed Vivi57 (so vivi says) saying he was a detective too. In my post above, in the top spoiler, BloodyC0bbler says he doubts that there would be more than 1 detective with the amount of rolechecks he can do in the current system. I would also rather someone PM claim than try to claim on the thread by hinting at something. In the second part of my post, in the bolded sections, it is important to read where L actually said "if the other DT wants to check him, that's fine" the -other- dt. I'm re-iterating something that Zona caught through this post. MY purpose is that we do not need to trust L. He almost had me convinced he wasn't the Godfather.... if he dies, and he's the detective, we can pretty much catch the Godfather.. Bloodyc0bbler. Bloodyc0bbler himself said that he only believed there would be one detective. Speak up, guys L, BloodyC0bbler WHICH ONE OF YOU IS IT? maybe you all are used to liars in office, but i'm sick of it. it doesn't have to be this way. I am hereby announcing my campaign for the Mayoral position. I pray that I am not diluting the mayoral pool with another town aligned player; it'd be nice if i didn't jeopardize the other truly town aligned players by taking votes from them, but that's the only way that I am for sure going to be able to stay alive in this game. Do the right things, guys, change the world and save my life. 1) Your bullshit here is obviously some self-serving stunt to survive. 2) No one should overtly claim until we have BG protection. 3) Given that you shouldn't run unless you have a role that can abuse the protection, did you just claim to be some form of blue? 4) Don't see how you're pro-town by building a candidacy purely on "I don't want to die and I don't like anyone else" without putting down any real non accusatory content. | ||
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L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . Not really. It doesn't add up, brah It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. | ||
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It ignores the Bus Driver of doom No it doesn't. I even mention it in your quote. Instead of vomiting out a bunch of text, feel free to actually read what I've written. I've said a few things that a number of people seem to be ignoring, but I find it interesting that people soldier on assuming that they're reading carefully when they clearly aren't. | ||
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On March 12 2010 02:49 flamewheel91 wrote: I'm still wondering how the name of "bus driver" came into this game, though it makes for epic lulz. Obviously Ver's profile picture. | ||
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it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. | ||
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On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. | ||
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On March 12 2010 05:23 Bill Murray wrote: How many more times can we quote L's 70 line post on one page? Should we try for a third? How many more times can we quote it and put up relatively content-free comments? nemY, step up to the plate and answer your own question. | ||
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On March 12 2010 06:14 tree.hugger wrote: I'm a little worried about this three person election thing. I mean, it normally comes down to three people in the end anyway, but it seems like we've just been presented with three candidates who announced really early, and intimidated everyone else into not running. Two candidates have roleclaimed DT, which seems more than a little implausible, especially because both players are veteran players. Incognito is the only person untainted so far, but that really means nothing. XeliN isn't a serious candidate, and neither is Bill Murray either, but perhaps that means we might be better off trusting them? I think rolechecks on our elected officials are paramount early in this game, just to check the assertions these players have made so far. Curiously, if L is said to actually be the detective, there might be more reason to suspect him. It's ironic I think, that BC and L would look more like the godfather if they seem to be who they claimed to be. Wrong. Zero candidates have roleclaimed DT. Vivi claimed like a retard and exposed cobbler. I've never claimed DT. | ||
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On March 12 2010 06:24 citi.zen wrote: BC did confirm vivi's story though. He also said he was going to publicly role-claim for himself anyway before the election. Completely irrelevant. He said that after Vivi pulled a retard. Its one thing to claim, its another to say you'd have claimed when the actual claiming's been done. | ||
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On March 12 2010 07:49 Zona wrote: L, I really don't like how your posting has progressed. After hinting that you were the DT and using that as part of your campaign (which was fine by me), now you're backpedalling and stating that the obvious interpretation of your previous statements aren't correct. Whenever the town tries to get clarification on what you're trying to state - all you say is "you can't read" rather than actually clarifying whatever you stated before. You're clouding up the discussion and not being helpful to the town. On the other hand, no matter how strange the beginning to Bloodycobbler's claim was, he is now being entirely clear on his claim on being the DT, not leading us around in circles like you are doing. Of course stating clearly that one is the DT doesn't mean that the likelihood of him being the DT is higher, but we can measure his claim against his behavior in the future and rein him in if we figure out that he's not the DT. You, on the other hand, look like you want to get elected on your hint of being the DT which you seem to be preparing to retract, and if you are eventually elected and then claim to not be the DT, the rest of us have a lot less to work with to hold you to account. I didn't run on hinting I was the DT. Other people took my posts to mean that. Please don't impute what others have said to me, because that's really shitty play and it lets people do things like what I did to redtooth for shits and giggles. I said I was glad people were reading carefully, that's all. I'm actually quite surprised people haven't gone back and decided to read carefully, because if anything my real hint was in that set of instructions. No i'm not going to overtly claim before the voting is completed; I'd rather not have mafia know exactly what they're up against, especially if I need to keep it under wraps until tonight to let it work. I much prefer seeing people scramble and throw around accusations when they get scared, because that tells me mafia is probably not happy with the prospect of 2 blues being voted into office. | ||
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On March 12 2010 09:08 Iaaan wrote: I originally voted for incognito just because I thought it would be nice to protect a veteran who posts alot. No ses pools of noobiness/inactivty. But, I'm changing my vote to BC, simply because he looks like the candidate that is easiest to hold accountable. L is quite ambiguous. Not answering questions/confirming things and posting lots of walls of text. Also, I think that whichever of the three doesn't win will probably be the first person lynched if they aren't mafia. I kinda want to address this point because it seems to be a recurrent theme. Someone here is trying to get me to roleclaim when its entirely possible that I don't make it into office. Why? Why would anyone claim prior to having protection? The only real 'question' that people are asking me is "are you a DT?" and I've already said I'm not going to overtly claim. There are a few hints here and there, but that's just so that when I actually do declare my candidacy, i'll be able to say "look back here, like 2 minutes after the game started, I was hinting since there and as such its unlikely that I'm GF". So no, I'm not being 'ambiguous'. I've been pretty solid on this point. I'm simply not roleclaiming day 1 when I might not have BG protection. I don't see why ANYONE in the game would do otherwise. If you want to look at the 'ambiguous' characters, look at the people waffling around and rephrasing what's been going on to suit their need to discredit people who are probably town. Someone said Cobbler claimed overtly; He didn't. Someone said I claimed DT; I didn't. Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not. Its just an interesting piling on of small modifications to what I'm saying, and what's going on in the thread, which results in this broken telephone effect. So please, feel free to go back to the source and READ. This is the last time I ask people to do that. If anyone else would like to actually propose a town strategy or provide some analysis on people or the format, feel free to, but it seems that people are getting by with day one accusatory one liners instead of actual thought. | ||
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On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver"  Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2. | ||
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Unless im mistaken, your saying your not a DT, which to me seems like the only confirmable role. No, I'm saying I'm not claiming until the night comes. You know, like i spelled out explicitly in my last.. 5 posts. Repeatedly. I'm getting tired of saying this. | ||
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Did you finally get picked for the mafia team? If not, are you claiming blue by running? Who would you kill if voted mayor and who would you like to get voted in if you can't get in? Sleep time, but I EXPECT ANSWERS. | ||
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The non-posters for Incog league? incognito 6 billmurray versatile abenson xelin cynanmachae fishball I mean, did you even look at who's voting for you? | ||
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On March 12 2010 20:26 Bill Murray wrote: L is elected Bill Murray gets lynched the town loses an active poster I implore you all to consider voting for BloodyC0bbler. I don't mind L becoming pardoner. I actually don't believe L is red this game. It's just really fishy that he's implied he's a dt, implied he's a bus driver, and implied that he's a green on a suicide mission to discover the mafia. I hope he's any of these, as long as he isn't red, but I'd be hoping for it more if he wasn't after my head. Other than his wanting to kill me, I'll explain why it is best to not vote for him in layman's terms. He is a loose cannon. When you get a player like BC or Incognito, even d3_crescentia, you get someone who is analytical and normal. They will react coolly to nearly any situation. L is obviously not as cool acting as he would have you believe. He holds grudges, he rages over actions, and he has been acting scummy regardless of whether or not he is red which has been detrimental to the town. If elected, would I lynch L? ____ no. He is too valuable to lynch if he really IS something like the bus driver. I would be much more apt to go for someone who is going to be modkilled anyways if that is possible. There is a higher percentage of town vs mafia, and thus a higher propensity of picking a town member than a mafia member in a stupid day 1 lynch where you have literally no information of any substance, weight, or value. Do the right thing, vote for BloodyC0bbler or Incognito. Don't vote for someone who changes their mind like L. I want to kill you mostly because you've really posted nothing besides attempts to save yourself by discrediting me. That's literally 100% of your post content. If you were pro-town, you'd probably be trying to generate some form of theory of the game or produce other content as well, but that's asking too much of you, it would seem. I haven't even posted about killing you in like 10 pages, yet you send me pms like "COULD YOU POSSIBLY NOT KILL ME PLEASE" and post consistently on that one message. Feels like you're waaaaay too desperate green role, but trying some shitty last minute candidacy is a pretty shit move if you're blue given that you just put a massive spotlight on yourself. Even if the mayor doesn't kill you, you're probably going to be hit early if you aren't red. Overall that means you're likely mafia, and I think you're the best shot we have over anyone else today. I probably wasn't going to actually kill you if voted in as mayor because I wanted to kill someone else for suspicious posting, but you went and one-upped him or her by a huge margin. Sorry broski | ||
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On March 12 2010 23:52 JeeJee wrote: except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green Well, I kinda want to kill bill murray and I know I'm legit, so yeah the extra votes would be stellar to keep out of mafia hands. If my co-office mate person is indeed mafia, I'd actually rather he get pardoner over mayor because 1) I don't want him getting a free kp to shoot at one of the many people who are feigning blue and 2) Because a pardon this game is the equivalent to slightly less than a raw +2kp given the re-usage of blue roles during the night. Given the fact that the mayor is +1 kp from his day 1 lynch, you'd have to argue that the mayor's 3 vote wagon wouldn't be decisive in a single lynch for the rest of the game in order to posit that the pardoner is a stronger role here. Ergo if I'm going to blow myself, given the assumption that someone who's mafia might get office with me, I'd rather that he gets the weaker role. | ||
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On March 13 2010 00:17 johnnyspazz wrote: L, why haven't you voted? I voted for me. I dunno why that doesn't count anymore. | ||
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