TL Mafia Ban List - Page 133

On March 09 2012 05:53 Forumite wrote:

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On March 08 2012 13:11 dreamflower wrote:
After much discussion with Qatol, I would like to request a one-game ban for FourFace for his behavior in Newbie Mini Mafia IV. He began playing pretty normally at the beginning, but on the second half of Day 1 he edited two posts in a row, posted a rickroll (which I believe would get you a brief TL ban on its own), and spammed trollish one-liners for a little while before he was replaced out.

To be fair, FourFace was polite and respectful to me outside of the game and acted quite graciously about being replaced out. But I still think that any behavior that warrants a modkill in a game also warrants a short behavioral ban. I do hope that FourFace will sit out his ban and continue to play TL Mafia constructively, as he certainly seemed enthusiastic and interested in the game.

Thank you.

Edit: Oh! I forgot, I would also like to request an inactivity ban for igabod, who failed to vote on Day 1. It looks like it will be his second inactivity ban, so I believe this means he should get a three-game ban.

On March 09 2012 21:47 Forumite wrote:
About FourFace, players usually get a warning when they edit by mistake. Deliberately editing in order to change what is said in the thread, twice, is much worse. I think a ban, or at the least a stern warning, for the editing is appropriate.

On March 09 2012 18:44 Palmar wrote:



I went back and read through fourface's performance this game.

I want to express my opinion that unless you consider the two edits a reason for a modkill and ban, I don't agree with banning him. Seeing as in the thread the posts are right after each other, I would have thought a warning for editing should be enough unless the game explicitly states that edits are modkillable.

He was actively trying to play the game, has behaved himself in a completely reasonable manner, and there is nothing wrong with his posting in the game. I know I would love to play with him seeing as he's clearly willing to be active, and a ton of his posts offer at least an attempt to scumhunt and help.

So yeah, I think nothing he did is banworthy, I don't even think he should've been forcefully replaced, as someone fucking up and editing in a newbie game is like... almost expected. And man... including a link to a rickroll video when a ton of us use videos and images to get points across from time to time (clearly he has a long way to go before he's actually funny, but still... it's an attempt).

And the one-liners... almost none of his one-liners are completely irrelevant, sure he posted one "lol" but compared to myself, redFF and a few other players who make extensive use of conversations in mafia game (as opposed to articles), he did not do anything disruptive.

I know that I have done far "worse" things in a mafia, just have a look at this filter: clicky!

It has an image, so many one-liners that you lose count after the first 2 pages, and in the end a meme-based video. Compared to that fourface's offenses seem really minor, and I think he should be cleared of all charges except being warned for editing.

On March 10 2012 04:20 Qatol wrote:

Just because you have gotten away with that in another game doesn't mean it was acceptable in our game. We are stricter moderators than the people who hosted the games you played in with stricter standards towards spam. The players were warned about this both before the game started and while the game was going on.

Also, he completely changed the content of his post with the edits - it wasn't to fix a typo or something. What shows up right now is what he originally posted (thanks to GMarshal, phagga, and gonzaw for helping to restore them). He edited it so it said "nvm wat" or something like that.

And rickroll links are bannable on the rest of TL. Just because it's the mafia forum doesn't make that kind of post acceptable. FourFace has been on this site for over a year now. He should have known better.

On March 10 2012 06:15 redFF wrote:

A couple of things

Firstly, since when did posting a lot become a ban-worthy offense? You can't modkill and ban someone for their playstyle. If a player's posting/posting style disrupts the town, then it's up to the town to figure out what to do about it. That's mafia. If he's literally just spamming the thread with post after post to intentionally disrupt the game, then then and only then is it a bannable offense. That wasn't the case here.

Second, since when are we banning people for posting links to youtube videos? We're supposedly a friendly community and now we're banning people for a youtube video? It was a joke.

Now if this were a theme game, this wouldn't be an issue. You guys could be as strict as you want and ban people for making a post less than 3 paragraphs and only let people post once per page. But it was a newbie game, and those games should have standard rulesets. Nowhere in your rules does it say, "Don't post rickrolls or we ban you".

The editing thing is a different issue entirely and should be judged separately from the petty issues above, which don't even warrant a warning.

If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here.

On February 28 2012 02:22 FourFace wrote:
EDIT: What I meant to say was They'll force a lynch on me tomorrow and shoot if it doesn't work out while knowing that they don't even have to releblock. I guess I was too ... etc etc transparent even with all that bs going on. Damnit guys I'm the DOC, now be nice to me .. vote for who I want you to vote and I will most likely save you. Medical care isn't free you know. As for who the DT is I have no idea but he sure is invisible .. or even a dark archon messing with my mind. Is there a pattern here? Do I get exponentially crazier after 2 am KST and get back to making a little sense starting around midnight? Damn I'm attention whoring hard, won't be long until someone lynches me solely for that reason. There's still hope though... Day 2 might be different if I live to see it. I'm getting tired of myself so you guys must be REALLY tired. Remember Doc needs you to be on his side for him to protect you. Aloha

On March 10 2012 06:36 Qatol wrote:

Posting a lot isn't problematic. Posting a lot off topic the way he was is. It was disrupting the game. It reached the point where other players were complaining about it. That is the point where the host has to step in and do something about it. The context of the posts matters. Please let me know if you feel the same way after reading that portion of the thread and not just FourFace's filter.

Spamming like that isn't a valid playstyle, just like verbally berating other players so they get angry and betray their alignment isn't a valid playstyle. If it was valid, we wouldn't have had as many problems with Bill Murray. And it isn't like he had no warning. He was warned about it more than once. The whole thread was. It's even in the OP.

He didn't post just any youtube video either. He had been posting analysis using the [ url ] tag. This time, instead of linking to a post, he linked to the rickroll video. That's bannable on regular TL and it's bannable here. Remember that the rickroll video specifically has its own unique history on this site and it is treated differently from other youtube videos.
Besides, it was in the rules:
The post was inappropriate and the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere. It doesn't make sense to try and explicitly forbid every possible way of bad posting as you suggest for several reasons.
1. There's no way we could ever cover everything. There are too many ways to post inappropriately.
2. The OPs would get so long most people would never read them.
3. People would begin to make the argument that because it isn't explicitly listed in the OP, it is allowed.

Also it isn't fair to separate out the issues. Dreamflower and I determined that his conduct as a whole (the spamming, the rickroll, and the editing) merited a modkill + ban. You can't look at the individual issues like that. You have to look at everything as a whole. If you want to talk about whether these specific pieces of conduct are banworthy by themselves, we can do that of course, but I argue it doesn't matter in this specific instance.

On March 10 2012 06:59 redFF wrote:
Still see nothing wrong with his posting. I think this may be a fundamental disagreement in how we think games should be run/played though.

he wasn't spamming though. To me, spamming means posting inane things over and over again, making a game nigh unreadable. He was posting.

I don't know what the big deal with the rickroll is, it literally takes 2 seconds to exit it once you click it.

I just don't think you should be this strict in a newbie game. You should say something in the op along the lines of "If we (the game mods) think that your posting is inappropriate/off topic/spammy, we will modkill you from our game. Be aware that this is a purely subjective issue, and is just the way we mod." That way, people will at least have a sense of what they're getting into when they /in to the game.

And in this case you should separate out the issues, since 2 of them are petty and inconsequential, while one of them is serious and actually worthy of discussion ITT.

On March 10 2012 07:28 redFF wrote:
That works except for the most part the tl mods leave us alone and don't go into threads looking for stuff to ban. GM didn't ban him for rickrolling.

On March 10 2012 07:40 redFF wrote:
I meant siteban.