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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 17 2012 05:22 GMT
#2681
I'll credit the sitting out kaller, as an exception to the general rule, specifically because he posted in the thread, and no one told him it wouldn't be validated.

For future reference though, banlist free games do not count for the purpose of sitting out bans.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 00:50:40
March 19 2012 00:50 GMT
#2682
Requesting standard bans from Newbie Mini Mafia V for Rainmaker5 (failure to vote + inactvity) and Pablols (failure to vote twice)

Requesting a warning for Sufficiency for failing to vote the day he was lynched.

Thanks!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 19 2012 03:16 GMT
#2683
InfernOokami7 and koritora both modkilled for inactivity in SNMMVIII usual bans for them
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
March 23 2012 18:34 GMT
#2684
Requesting 1 game ban for Nicolas. Replaced out for no reason, didn't even bother to try to search for his own replacement despite it being in OP.
wat
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 24 2012 04:56 GMT
#2685
On March 17 2012 14:11 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:33 Coagulation wrote:
sitting out Aperture Mafia

Also I have sat out storm mafia can you update it on list... storm mafia is over.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&currentpage=2#22



can you update the list to reflect me sitting out storm mafia plz.
you only credited me for BCs game....

Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 18:09:21
March 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#2686
On March 24 2012 13:56 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 21:33 Coagulation wrote:
sitting out Aperture Mafia

Also I have sat out storm mafia can you update it on list... storm mafia is over.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&currentpage=2#22



can you update the list to reflect me sitting out storm mafia plz.
you only credited me for BCs game....

And exclude MrZentor (I assume Kaller game eliminated his ban since he's currently playing).
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
March 25 2012 19:15 GMT
#2687
On March 24 2012 03:34 Curu wrote:
Requesting 1 game ban for Nicolas. Replaced out for no reason, didn't even bother to try to search for his own replacement despite it being in OP.

Is the ban for leaving the game without a good reason and without warning you beforehand, so basically inactivity, or for posting in the thread that he was replacing out?

These things are usually discussed after the game. I´m not arguing against a ban though, replacing out without warning is a problem, and a 1-game ban sounds about right.
:3
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
March 25 2012 20:42 GMT
#2688
My OP says if you want to replace out and have a good reason, you find your own replacement and get out scotch free.

He had no good reason (didn't want to play anymore) and didn't try to search for his own replacement either.
wat
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
March 29 2012 14:05 GMT
#2689
I would like to /sitout Death Factory 2.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 31 2012 10:06 GMT
#2690
I noticed Mr.Zentor is on the banlist, but he sat out for 3 months is that correct? I already have him in my game so just want to make sure everything is up to date.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 31 2012 16:13 GMT
#2691
Yeah I've just been really lazy/busy he's good to go.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:12:03
April 03 2012 06:08 GMT
#2692
JubJub Mafia: Requesting bans for

rgTheSchworz - modkilled for inactivity
Abenson - inactivity, pretty obviously posting just to get around the activity requirements

Warning for [UoN]Sentinel for inactivity and lackluster response after being warned. Although there are special rules against posting to just get around the activity requirements, its a borderline case so I'll leave it up to GM/fw's discretion on whether to turn that into a ban or not.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 03 2012 08:52 GMT
#2693
On April 03 2012 15:08 Incognito wrote:
JubJub Mafia: Requesting bans for

rgTheSchworz - modkilled for inactivity
Abenson - inactivity, pretty obviously posting just to get around the activity requirements

Warning for [UoN]Sentinel for inactivity and lackluster response after being warned. Although there are special rules against posting to just get around the activity requirements, its a borderline case so I'll leave it up to GM/fw's discretion on whether to turn that into a ban or not.

I´m not following. Do you want Abenson to get a ban for not posting at all, or did he post the required posts but you thought it was too little? ON [UoN]nentinel, it sounds like they did the same thing, as well as ignoring a warning, but you recommend different punishments.
:3
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
April 04 2012 01:15 GMT
#2694
One ban to cccalf for inactivity/failure to vote on The Sum of All Fears Mafia.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
April 04 2012 01:41 GMT
#2695
You can't request bans on people if they met the activity requirements lol.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 01:45:36
April 04 2012 01:44 GMT
#2696
nvm
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 04 2012 01:50 GMT
#2697
On April 04 2012 10:41 redFF wrote:
You can't request bans on people if they met the activity requirements lol.

This. If it isn't enough for you, change your requirements.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
April 04 2012 02:09 GMT
#2698
Not sure how i feel about ban vs warning atm but the OP made it clear:

On February 29 2012 13:47 Protactinium wrote:
Activity:
You must post at least once every 24 hours and vote every day cycle. If this will conflict with your schedule please let me know beforehand so I can announce to your fellow players that you won't be there for that time period. If you are clearly trying to skirt this requirement you will get replaced, while if you are actively contributing but happen to miss for a bit, that's okay.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 02:56:04
April 04 2012 02:43 GMT
#2699
If you are clearly trying to skirt this requirement you will get replaced, while if you are actively contributing but happen to miss for a bit, that's okay.


No, I'm not requesting bans for people who met the activity requirement. We couldn't find replacements, but that doesn't matter. Yes, the rule is subjective, but if the rules are objective there will always be people who just do the bare minimum to get away from a modkill. If we want to fight inactivity we need to use some common sense judgement rather than relying on straight up rules. The OP clearly states punishment for people who try to skit the requirements and both players were warned, so its not like this is out of the blue.

Ban for Abenson as opposed to a warning for sentinel because Abenson's case is more clear cut. But if GM decides a ban for both is in order its up to him.

For all the legalistic people who are addicted to rigid impersonal (bureaucratic) rules, Abenson posts here and doesn't post again 50 hours later, so that clearly violates the post every 24 hours rule.

Sentinel posts here and doesn't post again for 30 hours, thus breaking the same rule.

So ya, I can request bans for them based on a strict objective interpretation of the rules. But any sane person can see that its really dumb and to go through extensive lengths to check the exact timings of all the posts. I wouldn't be surprised if you can find other people who didn't post for 24 hours, but I'm not going to look because its just ridiculous.

Subjective rules may feel uncomfortable for people, but that's why the system was changed and why GMarshal has the final say.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 04 2012 06:20 GMT
#2700
Okay, I didn't know why you requested different punishments for two people who did the same thing.

I think both should get a standard inactivity ban, plain and simple.
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