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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 03:49 GMT
#1321
What do you think Redtooth. Do you agree on protecting me¿
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 03:51 GMT
#1322
all i know is redtooth WANTED PARDONER
when i voted for him, I thought he was TIED WITH L
I voted for REDTOOTH because I wanted him to not be pardoner

i voted with like 30 seconds left lol
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
February 16 2010 03:52 GMT
#1323
On February 16 2010 12:27 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 09:27 L wrote:
And that's why I wanted to kill Ace instead.
THIS IS BULLSHIT. I HAD A PM FROM INCOGNITO ASKING IF I WAS PARDONER WOULD I WANT O PARDON EMP. LOL INCONSISTENCIES L. WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN?

and i went to sleep thinking i wouldn't be elected at all. instead i got a PM titled "Mr Mayor" from incognito. what. the. fuck.


L any comments?
One does not simply walk into mordor
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 03:52 GMT
#1324
I want some feedback about my idea. Come on dont be shy... im ready to sacrifice me for my beautiful town.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 03:54 GMT
#1325
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
February 16 2010 03:59 GMT
#1326
I don't think Malongo's idea would actually work, since no mafia would waste a hit like that.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
February 16 2010 03:59 GMT
#1327
On February 16 2010 12:41 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 12:36 d3_crescentia wrote:
On February 16 2010 12:32 Malongo wrote:
On February 16 2010 09:50 Ace wrote:
My vote was on redtooth. He claimed Medic. Thats why I took it away. Then I thought about his motive for lying at that point in time and it really didn't matter because Ver wasn't here anyway. So me switching my vote back within a few minutes changed nothing. There's no suspicion there.

Maybe you should bother questioning the people that pushed him from Pardoner -> Mayor. Pardoner is more powerful than Mayor anyway.

I disagree here Ace. From mafia pov its direct that knowing all the bgs-> confirmed townies or at least few chances of mafia from the other family + 3 votes is huge. Think about this: this game is more likely to go until 20 players remain unless one family is absolutely demolishing the other. In this case having a mafia having 3 votes and clearing up the targets with the bgs list is lot better than 2 pardons overall. Having a mafia mayor is a huge advantage against the other mafia, having a pardoner *may* save one of your foes but its not like the other mafia cant target him anyways next night. As you see pardoner <<<< mayor for a mafia player.

So the point is, what is redtooth going to do about his claim¿ The best way to set this up is : Redtooth self claimed medic declares his target for protection before the night. This way the other family /assuming redtooth is mafia/ has the chance to hit that target and unreveal redtooth. It is win for that family because then they force the town to lynch him if he turns nonmedic, and it is win for that family in case the target survives because they can play knowing that redtooth is not in the other mafia.

Thoughts¿

Problem with this is if the declared target is in the same family as those that'll be targeting him - unless they're willing to sacrifice him.

Ok. Then we force redtooth to protect a target from the town: me. As you see i cant not be in Redtooths family /if im mafia and so is him/ because that would be stupid. I cant be on the others family IM ASKING TO GET HIT and protected. What about that¿ if redtooth claims protection on me and he should be because that way he can prove himself then i will live. /unless there are stacked hits on me wish will be noted in the number of deaths/ If i die redtooth is mafia.

THOUGHTS¿¿¿¿

I think this might actually work.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
February 16 2010 04:00 GMT
#1328
On second thought, the problem would be if the mafia decided to entirely sidestep this plan. Hmm.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 04:02 GMT
#1329
Yeah, it wouldn't work. There is nothing we would learn from it no matter what happened. If the person dies - either redtooth lied and didn't protect or he actually did and there was a double hit. If the person lives it could have either been redtooth preventing a hit or the mafia just not cooperating.
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
February 16 2010 04:02 GMT
#1330
It might work, since it would basically tell the mafia if redtooth is a member of the opposing mafia... so they might want to agree to it...
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 04:03 GMT
#1331
On February 16 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.


A Supposing a mafia family suspects redtooth is mafia the will asap hit me to clear him. Its 3 votes + a protected role. They only lose a hit and prove redtooth, wich is useless because bg list is more likely infiltrated. Believe me the other family is liking his chops at this idea.

B If hits stack¿ lol if hits stack i die and nothing else happens, redtooth isnt cleared and we have more gamble beetween families.

Why wont work¿ i still dont see how can be bad for the town. Worst case scenario: mafia doesnt hit me and redtooth loses a protection that cant be directed to a town townie anyways. We have absolutely nothing to lose.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
February 16 2010 04:03 GMT
#1332
On February 16 2010 13:02 789 wrote:
Yeah, it wouldn't work. There is nothing we would learn from it no matter what happened. If the person dies - either redtooth lied and didn't protect or he actually did and there was a double hit. If the person lives it could have either been redtooth preventing a hit or the mafia just not cooperating.


Would we be able to tell if it was a double hit by the way the night post is written up? This is more a question for the mods
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
February 16 2010 04:04 GMT
#1333
Unless I'm missing something, why would the mafia want to kill Malongo? and either way, that plan only works if the mafia wants it to.

@Redtooth, I think Emp being green shows that Ace was a better target than he was, not that the clues were bad ;p

@L Why Pm Incognito saying you would lynch Emp? lol
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 16 2010 04:04 GMT
#1334
Lol, if incog wants to confirm this is what I sent him, he can, but this was my pm to him when he asked.

To: Incognito [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Day 1 mayor lynch
Date: 2/16/10 08:46
depends who becomes the pardoner, so no

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
It looks like you will become mayor. Can I have a confirmation of your day 1 lynch victim?


Because I gained different amounts of information depending on if Ver or You sat in the pardoner position.

Oops, mistake on your part, redtooth. Ask incog if you want.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 04:05 GMT
#1335
Thats the beauty of this: we are actually forcing redtooth to prove himself while at the same time losing nothing in case this doesnt work.

THOUGHTS¿¿¿¿
Redtooth where you at¿
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
February 16 2010 04:05 GMT
#1336
On second thought, the mafia would want to show the town that Redtooth is mafia (if he is mafia), since the easiest way to kill him is through the town lynch, instead of having to kill the BG's first.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
February 16 2010 04:06 GMT
#1337
I don't think the plan would work since I highly doubt the mafia would waste a hit like that. Remember that the other mafia family has 3 hits and each of them are going to be aimed at a potential mafia. Why would one mafia family waste a hit so early in the game?
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 04:07 GMT
#1338
On February 16 2010 13:03 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 13:02 789 wrote:
Yeah, it wouldn't work. There is nothing we would learn from it no matter what happened. If the person dies - either redtooth lied and didn't protect or he actually did and there was a double hit. If the person lives it could have either been redtooth preventing a hit or the mafia just not cooperating.


Would we be able to tell if it was a double hit by the way the night post is written up? This is more a question for the mods

Do you actually think mafia wants to stack hits first day¿ even in that case it will be noted by the number of hits. As long as Redtooth medic and only him protects me we lose absolutely NOTHING.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 04:07 GMT
#1339
On February 16 2010 13:06 Mystlord wrote:
I don't think the plan would work since I highly doubt the mafia would waste a hit like that. Remember that the other mafia family has 3 hits and each of them are going to be aimed at a potential mafia. Why would one mafia family waste a hit so early in the game?

What do we lose¿
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
February 16 2010 04:08 GMT
#1340
On February 16 2010 13:06 Mystlord wrote:
I don't think the plan would work since I highly doubt the mafia would waste a hit like that. Remember that the other mafia family has 3 hits and each of them are going to be aimed at a potential mafia. Why would one mafia family waste a hit so early in the game?

Because they have nothing to lose either... it's in the mid-game where they can't waste hits. Do they know who else, amongst the 40 people that have been listed, could be mafia? I sincerely doubt that they have more than 2-3 guesses, and even then it's likely that at least one will turn up green.
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