TL Mafia XVIII - Page 18

On February 14 2010 12:21 Abenson wrote:
But the mafia should be spending their kill points on mafia instead of z o.o

On February 14 2010 12:20 Chezinu wrote:

There was a picture in someone's profile with a moon, a woman, and fire. I was posted earlier. Plus shadows and darkness was in Day 1 post of last game.

On February 14 2010 12:18 L wrote:
Well the fact that you didn't bother disputing the credibility of the clues when you're 100% certain that they don't point to you is interesting.

If the clue set regarding the moonlight horseman doesn't apply to you, then who does it point to? Instead of analyse what appear to be a substantive set of clues, you've ignored them and provided the town with no content.

On February 14 2010 12:24 meeple wrote:


The picture you're thinking about is in Mystlord's profile...

On February 14 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:


because I'm not going to sit here and point fingers for no reason. I won't sit here and start revenge accusations just because the clues don't point to me. I won't go looking for people and say HEY THE CLUES POINT TO THIS GUY NOT ME - that doesn't help the town. It just invites one more person into the ruckus and then they have incentive to point to someone else, etc. That's just going to start a bunch of arguments. So far that's 2 things I've got you on that are incentive to cause town uprising aka Mafia Behavior. Come on, one more thing so I can check you on the list and start my epic post.

On February 14 2010 12:28 Chezinu wrote:

So it looks like Mystlord could have jumped of the roof and rip incog's head off...or the moon thing...or the arson...

Or Ace could have done the same but instead of the arson replace it with blinding...

I'm too selfish right now to pick sides between L and Ace.. I wait to see who wins! hehe

On February 14 2010 08:23 Ver wrote:
There have only been two mafia caught on clues before day 3. Truthbringer in Plexa's game, and DoctorHelvetica in Incognito's last game. That's two out of A LOT of attempts. Of serious clue suspects in all the games, I'd say it's probably 5-10% success rate. Do you seriously want to try to get a mafia on that percentage? Randomly selecting a person is at least twice as likely if not four times than by day 1 clues.

On February 14 2010 12:31 Iaaan wrote:



I'm happy that you don't want to accuse people without a good reason, but the clues still point to you. Thats probably not enough for anyone to lynch you, but its still there.

On February 14 2010 12:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Clues aren't going to be that useful until later in the game imo

but they shouldn't be ignored completely

On February 14 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:


because I'm not going to sit here and point fingers for no reason. I won't sit here and start revenge accusations just because the clues don't point to me. I won't go looking for people and say HEY THE CLUES POINT TO THIS GUY NOT ME - that doesn't help the town. It just invites one more person into the ruckus and then they have incentive to point to someone else, etc. That's just going to start a bunch of arguments. So far that's 2 things I've got you on that are incentive to cause town uprising aka Mafia Behavior. Come on, one more thing so I can check you on the list and start my epic post.

On February 14 2010 10:48 Mystlord wrote:
Some thoughts on what I've read (I might be forgetting some stuff):

I think that clues are definitely important pre-Day 3, but we shouldn't lynch on them, rather they should be used to get everyone discussing. Lynching based purely off of clues is completely retarded early in the game because there's nothing backing anything up, and in a game like this, where we have a lot of variety, they could point to someone completely different, and we'd be none the wiser.

That said, we should be getting everyone to participate in the discussion. There's nothing worse than inactives, which, as Ver pointed out, ultimately hurts the town as they look just as suspicious as the mafia, which leads to wasted lynches and random lynches.

And as for L's suggestion to lynch Chezinu Day 1, I don't think that's a good idea. Last time that was tried (t_co), it absolutely did nothing. At the very least we need something other than "a lot of posts" for a valid lynch.

On February 14 2010 12:17 Abenson wrote:
L v Ace...
Flame war between vets o.o

On February 14 2010 12:35 Malongo wrote:

Is this a DEJA VU¿

Now centering on the important matters:

So far there is just no plan on the table. I mean literally all the candidates for office are just proposing themselves. So im inclined to think l10f is actually a good man to be on the office. First of all he claimed blue. Second reason is more a personal choice but im just too bored to see the same guys always there: Ver, BC, Ace... we need some new blood, with the added benefit that he is more likely to misstep if he plays red.

For the first lynch play i really oppose the general feeling that we should lynch an inactive. Im all in to kill a big name. Three that come inmediatly into my mind are:

Caller. Half inactive up to now. Posted defending BC out of nowhere.
L: Wanted to change his profile. Not really doing what he does in all games to benefit the town.
BC: Already spotted by ver.

In fact if you think about it most of the time we lynched an inactive first day we got a town side player. Just lynch someone in the big names.

On February 14 2010 11:45 Ace wrote:
Ok, the KingPin has arrived. Time to stop this nonsense and get this game started.

First of all, I'm going to be brutally honest here. Some of you playing are newbies. That isn't to say you're bad, but more so that you haven't had the experience of playing a true cut throat game of Mafia. The last 2 games were honestly so bland - aka too much talking about clues, that it wasn't really that much high level strategy going on.

Like Ver said, talking too much about clues early is USELESS. Don't try to convince anyone that someone is Mafia based on clues for the first few days. It's nice to mention it, but do not make it a central point of focus. MTF and Camlito are the best 2 clue analyzers along with Plexa that we ever had. That was in Mafia 2 and it took a ton of planning + input from various people to even come to some of those conclusions. Chances are you won't be able to do much with clues this game unless you've got some additional proof. What I mean by this is catch someone on behavior analysis + clues + shoddy voting or motives. Saying "this clue points to Ace" is just stupid.

Knowing this, I'm not surprised LL and Zato -1 are already accusing me. Look people, especially for you new players - I'm one of the biggest targets in any Mafia game. Every time. I'm super valuable. I catch people in lies all the time and I always save townies from the obvious bandwagon deaths. L and Zato may not have blatantly accused me but they just planted a seed of suspicion on me of all people, based on some wild clues. Be very wary of light weight accusations like this.

I'm running for Mayor of course. But in the event I don't win, my vote is possibly going to Ver. The only reason I might not vote for him is because he has elected to kill BC which is just as bad as L/Zato wanting me dead. Our most valuable players should be saved unless it's blatantly obvious they are Mafia. There are 3 teams this game, don't even bother trying to murder all of our good players so soon.