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On January 21 2010 08:17 QuickStriker wrote: Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/ Well I posted in the voting thread already since I couldn't find it till now ._. | ||
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On January 21 2010 08:34 QuickStriker wrote: Hmm... well welcome!!! Glad to have at least one more active member of our little town.... it seems the mafias have put some poison gas or some sort of gas which is why everyone is silent or sleeping right now.... o.O Well QuickStriker, I will support you in this. I don't think you're the Mafia. On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote: I think that analysis overall was extremely good, from reading up on some earlier Mafia games it seems that the host often likes the come up with elaborate or entertaining deaths. This in itself makes the " With a quick attack " stand out far more in my eyes, and somewhat exonerates the other as possibly just being a whimsical choice by the host. In all honesty this by itself is enough to make me fairly suspicious and Quickstriker I am still more suspicious when I see some of what you have typed. In particular your reaction to no_re's non-serious accusation where you are essentially saying we must "hold off any action untill the DT comes forward and leads us through the valley of death and into the promised land" - I paraphrased, This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage. p.s. am i doin it rite? [/QUOTE] I think Xelin is the Mafia. He's already accusing you of being mafia even though the game hasn't started. Not only that, he's trying to submit himself as the Mayor, trying to find his way around from being lynched off. He knows that if he is able to be the mayor, then we're screwed. | ||
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All you out of towners better stay in ya'll wreckin area. We don't like you hippie folks round hea. | ||
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On January 21 2010 09:41 Fulgrim wrote: Hey guys I hate not being able to check the thread during the day..... I was thinking about what our plan was to try and win this thing because currently (I haven't had time to read all of the posts yet) we seem to be focused on WHO we are electing. We also need to think about who we want our DT's to role check (assuming they check the thread often enough) and how they can communicate any information they get without giving away their role. The whole thing kind of gives me a headache... ANYONE could claim to be a DT and so it would be hard to tell whether they were really a DT or just trying to screw us over. Ideas anyone? Well no one has said they're dt, so we're not that subject just yet. | ||
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On January 21 2010 09:52 QuickStriker wrote: Well no one really can admit they're DT UNLESS they're looking for a death wish. I mean if the DT steps up and admit to himself he's the DT, what do you think will happen? The mafias will auto-target that person and before we know the results of the role check or clue check, he's dead. Bam, gg. So obviously whoever is DT is hidden and cannot reveal as the DT but must act as part of the crowd, as the regular ordinary townie citizen. That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now. Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! | ||
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Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way. The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. | ||
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On January 22 2010 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: -_-... Quickstriker can't be trusted! That is all... You can't be either! | ||
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On January 22 2010 05:57 d3_crescentia wrote: And yours, for that matter. Baseless arbitrary fingerpointing without rational justification will DOOM our society. Lol? How is it baseless. It's common sense to what XeliN is doing. It won't DOOM anybody. I'm going to laugh when you guys see that XeliN is a mafia. | ||
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On January 22 2010 02:06 dozko wrote: The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious. On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. On January 22 2010 06:54 decafchicken wrote: I vote for fulgrim VERY SUSPICIOUS. | ||
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On January 22 2010 14:06 QuickStriker wrote: Hmm..... I can't say I don't understand your intentions as I understand your desire to be mayor. However, what troubles me is the first part you said where not to have a mafia be mayor when tree.hugger was almost taken for the spot as mayor.... does that mean you considered him as mafia? Of course he considers him as mafia! | ||
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On January 22 2010 14:21 QuickStriker wrote: I love stealing other people's ideas in the other mafia game. Although I can take credit, I do not wish to but Zona from the other mafia game makes an excellent point and a better insight and plan of what a DT should do rather than my original suggestion of using a "clue check" on compiled clues... Some food for thought to think about it. That is a very nice idea. I just hope to god that the DT isn't one of the inactive ones. If he is, we're fucked as well. | ||
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Why is he untrustworthy? If anybody should be untrustworthy, it should be you. You haven't even put imput into this yet, only attack qs. | ||
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On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote: Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me. Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him. | ||
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On January 22 2010 21:14 tree.hugger wrote: It was a joke, a joke! But I guess lunaticman was on my mind because I had searched earlier for this guy's post in the sign-up thread as well, and hadn't found it. I thought of how ironic it would be if someone who hadn't said a single word yet ran in at the last moment and voted. Uh huh... sure... I'm watching you mayor | ||
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On January 23 2010 08:59 dozko wrote: Xelin, of course my long analysis on you (and primarily your campaign post) was opinionated and a bit vague. You seem to forget that it is day 1, and I stated in the beginning that this is my gut feeling, its really not black and white. For the sake of putting the topic to rest I will now post examples and clarifications for each of my seven points. WARNING: the mother of all spoilers! + Show Spoiler + 1) + Show Spoiler + You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. Here is the post I am talking about in the bold bit: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! Note that before this post you have not posted for a page and a half, and after this post you do not respond to Shcokeyy but do an unrelated and weirdly timed campaign post. This leads me to the next part of the point. The remaining bit. The "claim to mayordom" is a short way of saying "your desire to step forward as a candidate for election". Initially you posted your candidature on page six + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote: Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. 2) + Show Spoiler + If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. After the very first piece of analysis you start a bandwagon claiming QS is mafia, going with the trend. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote: A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. Comment post + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote: This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage. Another comment + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2010 22:02 XeliN wrote: Sure i am aware of that xD, but im also concious that it is certainly going to be an ambition of the mafia in general to have their members run in the election race and so anyone who puts themselves forward is simply by that action more suspicious that one who doesn't. Another + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote: heh Sagaz interesting you raised that as I was just outside having a ciggarette thinking over the things in this thread and how there have already been claims made, suspcions cast e.t.c and was thinking it might be extremely intelligent for the mafia as a whole to simply not post much, rely on us creating so much confusion amongst ourselves that they do not need to try to provoke it or develop it. Following the trend: Initially: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:I don't agree that we ought to lynch the person who has posted least in any way though and am also inclined to think that the mafia have not adopted this strategy of just letting the town fuck it up for themselves. On January 21 2010 07:46 XeliN wrote: Im starting to warm to the idea someone mentioned earlier about lynching those that post least, not because i think it relates to them being mafia or would be productive in any way just out of sheer annoyance. Yet another: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. These are plenty examples. Note that the rest of the point is deductive analysis, which is based on such posts, yet you dismiss it completely in your reply. 3) + Show Spoiler + His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. ( I repeat myself here with point 1) What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote: My candidacy for Mayor. I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act.[/QIOTE] Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very small chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2). Compare this with the other candidates before him, who approach this in a more open-minded fashion. Again i stand by my conclusion. How can you be so sure that your theories are correct, that you consider them an important part of your campaign, when even you realize we do not have enough info for that level of certainness. 4) + Show Spoiler + He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. Your claim + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:I urge people to vote me in, I think i am likely to be a target for a mafia given the nature of my posts and openess of my suspicions and so on that basis only i would enjoy the protection. I still stand by my point. Your claim i have quoted above makes no sense because of the two points a) and b). 5) + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote: I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve! This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely reason is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim. I think my points here are valid even though they are a bit far fetched, the variance of the errors in your writing is very large up to this point. Again this is what I felt at the time thinking about the game and put it in words. You completely ignore this paragraph in your retort. 6) + Show Spoiler + 6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. Example + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. Another + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why. Another + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have. Given the above my reasoning is plausible. Also you have indeed only been involved in arguments with other players and only have 1 post on analyzing the clues (which is the only real concrete info we have so far). So my other point still stands. 7)+ Show Spoiler + 7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. This is self explanatory. As you can see from the above I have indeed based the analysis on your posts, and since 99% of the thread so far is speculation since we have little concrete info, it is laughable for you to begin PM'ing me and lunging at me in the thread simply because I have called you out. Before I conclude this mammoth of a post, let me draw attention to your posting style again. You write about everything with 100% certainty and you still sprinkle your arguments with certain things, which at this point are pointless to say as anyone will claim this when queried. e.g. + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2010 07:10 XeliN wrote:Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, Finally, I still stand by my original conclusions. Your posting style is still making me suspicious and I believe this may be down to one of the following reasons: - You're mafia and being a new player got freaked out, that you might be found out, given someone is putting so much effort in analyzing your posts (which is my default posting style anyway). - You have a blue role and dont want my posts to risk you getting lynched, but you jump to conclusions very quickly and dont think things through (further evidenced by your unprovoked flame PMs to me). Again read the very first sentences of my initial post on you. It is a gut feeling and my thoughts, why do you feel so threatened? You have read my mind. I don't like the way Xelin has to offer things, or the way he puts things. | ||
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On January 23 2010 09:10 d3_crescentia wrote: True, but I think the Mafia can turn this around to their advantage even if they were to lie and claim DT publicly. If a Mafia officers claims DT publicly, then they'd have to rolecheck someone. Mafia could coordinate to have one person take the hit; they would check and be forced to sacrifice a member after public announcement. All well and good for the town, except that the DT cannot rolecheck twice in a row, and would still let the Mafia kill 6 people for the time being. Then on the third night, the Mafia/fake DT would have a chance of being discovered if two DTs do the same check to be sure. However, doing so could reveal the real DT if they collaborate together and then the Mafia will target the real DT. We could then lynch the Mafia/fake DT if the evidence is conclusive enough, though it's possible that they could also make a lucky guess in checking people, and continue on another day. Secondly, if the Mafia officer claims DT and says he's doing cluechecks instead, the same thing would happen with the rolecheck above - there's no way to confirm the word that the officer actually IS a DT without outside collaboration, which would threaten to expose any other DTs we have. If we have the case that the officer actually IS DT, then for all of the reasoning above it would be dangerous to trust him 100%. In other words, it would be extremely advantageous for us to have a DT in office, but it would be extremely suspicious for them to roleclaim that publicly. Privately will be a different story, but even then I would be suspicious. Lastly, keep in mind that the Mafia are actively trying to figure out whatever OUR roles are, and they have a better chance in guessing Townie over a blue role. If in the first case they decided to not let another Mafia take the fall, they have a good chance of hitting a Townie by guessing, and again we would have to wait until Night 3/Day 4 for a double DT confirmation to be sure. It would be advantageous, yes, to have a DT in office, and I would think an active DTs would have had the thought cross their mind, even if they didn't decide to do it. I just don't think they would roleclaim so soon. This is all off the top of my head and someone could (and should try to) find holes in my logic. Day 2 clues should give us a better idea of who to lynch. I think the remaining DTs should rolecheck the election candidates - whomever they can or mistrust. The thing with this, is that Mafia won't roleclaim DT publicly. If some one roleclaims DT publicly then we can expect them to be lynched by the mafia. So that means if a mafia member role claims DT publicly and doesn't get lynched, that person must be a mafia. There's no way a DT will survive if he openly says he's a DT. | ||
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On January 23 2010 10:39 Iaaan wrote: But for the electoral roles shockeyy, they have protection from the mafia. That's if EVEN a mafia was elected as a electoral role. And I really doubt that. I feel like the people we have at the moment aren't mafia, or detective. | ||
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On January 23 2010 11:36 Iaaan wrote: I'm happy that you feel like that, but I'm sure you can understand if we consider the all the possibilities and don't just trust blindly. I understand of course, that's why I said, "I feel." | ||
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On January 23 2010 12:04 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him... Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded.... I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon... Nice to have back up. | ||
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On January 23 2010 13:27 XeliN wrote: I originally posted this just to RoyW but as it is the spirit of sharing and tbh would like to get this out there for all to see then... Can't tell you how happy I am that there is at least one person that realises that It's clear I'm not Mafia. PM is not rlly to do with this game, in all honesty I think the mafia are gonna win this which is annoying, but thanks for the support Hopefully there are others who haven't posted but will come to the same conclusion. Thought i might let you know out of all the people I have accused here is how I would rank my suspicion 1. Dozko, I literally have no doubts on him, if he is not Mafia then my god he is very dumb 2. Quickstriker, I am less certain about him but only compared to Dozko, this is only because I am still laying alot of emphasis on the "quick attack" clue. I think the clue is significant but also his posting has seemed very mafia like altho more subtle and toned down than Dozko 3. Shockeyy, I am kinda compelled to lump him with QuickStriker, he seems like Quickstrikers cheerleader and the only situation I can see whereby he is innocent is either if A) he is friends qith quickstriker before this game and quick has managed to persuade him he is innocent and thereby gain his support OR I am wrong on Quickstriker even though both his posts and the clue itself are very suspicious and thus missed the mark completely on both of them This seems unlikely though and tbh i think all three are red Also out of the two people who have been elected I am far more suspicious of Tree.hugger than cresentia although it is possible they are both mafia. For tree.hugger to completely ignore//miss the significance of what i kinda offered, which is essentially that I am happy to die as long as when it transpires I am Green that the town then take action against others is kinda telling The only reason as to why I back up QuickStriker is because, he actually wants us to win. What kind of mafia would start posting things to help us win. He was the only one that actually did something in the beginning of the game. As to well, you already trying to lynch him, even though he had done nothing to you. | ||
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Lol, I know that you sly dog. | ||
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On January 24 2010 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. !!!! I Think I know who may be a mafia. I will be right back. | ||
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On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote: I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching. You follower, I really suspect you being a mafia. First you lie when you join the game, But, I don't have enough evidence yet to say this with a 100% sureness. Another person I really think might be fishball. Since both of you show up at random times. Not only that, fishball is the only person with a Dark Templar in his name. If you guys have ever watched that SC2 trailer with the DT jumping and doing somersaults all over the place, it reminds me of the clues that they left for us. Not only that DT's have blades. | ||
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On January 25 2010 10:38 no_re wrote: References to "long" weapons also made me think of VelkanKnight as Knights often have a lance when jousting. The only thing is, I doubt a knight can do flips in the air, lol. | ||
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On January 25 2010 09:48 dozko wrote: But then again fishball's clue digging on other members is well creative so its hard to incriminate him. So? What if he's digging these clues so he can just slide under our noses? What if these clues lead us to killing townies. I only agree with royw, cause him and xelin are my top suspcious people. | ||
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There's actually a lot of reasons as to why he's a mafia. You just have to look through the thread. | ||
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On January 26 2010 09:35 johnnyspazz wrote: damn its a shame we lynched another non-mafia, i was pretty sure softer was mafia too Well it just brings us closer to a mafia. | ||
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On January 26 2010 11:20 johnnyspazz wrote: we get more clues next right? Yea in day 3. | ||
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On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote: The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game. With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last. Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch I don't even think we can lynch the mayor. | ||
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On January 27 2010 05:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't even think we can lynch the mayor. But yea, like fishball said, let day 3 come | ||
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On January 27 2010 08:46 RoyW wrote: waiting for day 3 and a new batch of clues  You scared you might be in those close? Lol. | ||
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On January 28 2010 01:02 tree.hugger wrote: I'm lucky enough to have all four of my grandparents still alive, and two are in stunningly good health in their eighties, but you can't take too much for granted, and it's good to spend as much time as you can with people who are so close to you. And I would've loved if lunaticman had contacted me, because then I wouldn't have lynched him. If lunaticman was an active member, then lynching a detective would've been stupid indeed. But lunaticman never posted anything, nor pm'd me, and actually hasn't posted anywhere on TL.net since this entire mafia game began. (15 posts then -> 15 posts now). As for the vigilantes, those killings seem at best to be an unfortunate coincidence. There are only a few people who have actually pm'd me directly about the game, and none of them have roleclaimed. I realize all I'm asking you to do is take my word for it, but I do think you're supposing that I have a rather ridiculous amount of knowledge that I'm sadly nowhere near. And once again, there is not a single clue in any post that has been traced to me. Seriously, is there anyone you haven't accused of being mafia yet? Enough is enough, no? Man, I'm telling you, xelin is mafia, or a form of it. Really, all he has done is point fingers since the game has started and tried to lynch everyone lol. I've only been on top of him most of the game and have had my few suspicious people. | ||
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I thought the same thing. Fuck man, I could of sworn XeliN was a mafia. Guess, I was wrong, I am sorry XeliN for pointing so many fingers at you. <3 May you R.I.P. | ||
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On January 28 2010 05:20 no_re wrote: reasons why? seems like good logic to me im annoyed. my circle of trust just got raped =[ Do you mean to say that you knew who these people were all along? Like what roles they played? | ||
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On January 28 2010 07:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: I didn't think about it...But what about shockeyy? He has a little bracelet thing on his hand in his profile...the next part is kind of a stretch, but extremely cold water can bring on shock...and his profile, the picture he is wearing has team LIQUID on it.... actually...I feel this is good....And he voted to lynch xelin, along with me, BUT I PUBLICLY stated my reasons for disliking Xelin, I didn't apologize for his death, AND I said I'm down with shockeyy, just for lynching xelin, but I disagreed with the reasoning shockeyy had.... So.... I say we lynch shockeyy.... Yes because a bracelet takes up my whole hand and I can't represent team liquid?! | ||
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On January 28 2010 12:14 dozko wrote: So I went through all of the clues and thought through most of the things that happened. I now think I have a solid guess as to who the reds are: Before I present you my conclusions, take a look for your reference at the list of possible suspects: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img99.imageshack.us/i/suspects.jpg/) The people I have crossed out in red are those which are in danger of being modkilled. In my opinion we should not waste our time and lynches on these since it is highly likely that BC will take them out and I believe that the mafia are in fact among the active players. Okay so these are the people we're considering and a quick check shows us that they amount to 18 (17 excluding myself) players. Given that 7 mafia are left, then the probability of getting a lynch wrong is very favorable. Therefore I insist that we do not hesitate to vote for people who we think fit the clues, simply because they have played a big part in the thread, have a good posting style or other such details. Now on to my prime suspects for lynching. Lets get the obvious out of the way first: iloveKT has the obvious sound reference due to the sound waves in his profile. VelkanKnight has the obvious knightly association with swords. I do not think that our lynches are worth it for these guys because a) the clues are far too obvious and b) they have not been active at all so in my opinion we've got bigger fish to fry first. QuickStriker+ Show Spoiler + First lets establish a connection between the player and the concept and then see how the concept/mold fits the clues. A google search of shriek gives us references to a comic villain, to quoting wiki: “Agony, is a fictional character and a supervillain from the Spider-Man comic books. She is one of six symbiote spawns of Venom. She is predominantly purple.” First connection - look at his profile picture, there's no doubt the guy has an aura of evil badass around him. Further the sleeve is purple in the picture, the scarf is light purple and the gloves have a purplish tint. Second connection - the fictional character is listed as having "Superhuman strength, speed, agility and endurance“. This fits neatly with the ferociousness of the last day 3 kills and their speed as evidenced by the looking at the watch. Third connection - the second killing is done by "ripped the blade upwards cutting the now dead townie in half from the chest up". Again the supernatural strength needed to do this matches as above. Even more strongly however I find the resemblance between the killing blow and the hand motion of the guy in QS's profile. To me it looks like the picture is taken when the guy is doing the exact same forceful movement - starting from the chest and going up. PS. Not related to the above but the constant refusal to vote, by excuses of "not having enough information, or being too busy" given the multitude of his posts would have warranted a lynch on its own if we were playing a longer game and had whittled the mafia down initially. Therefore I will place my first vote to lynch QuickStriker Jonoman92+ Show Spoiler + Again lets start with the overlying theme of drawings / technical drawings / formations. This is written in such a way by BC that I feel that it MUST be a clue. Therefore looking at the profiles of all the suspects the only two which match are VelkanKnight - for his Lolicon reference in the quote, which is basically a type of cartoon drawings. The other match, which has already been mentioned is Jonoman92 - arcology. These are principles which are aimed at designing massive structures etc. Now while both can be classified as drawings only the latter can be considered technical, and since these building are predominantly hypothetical they can also be considered as strange formations - e.g. look at the picture on the wiki page for arcology - its basically a building formed by a load of triangles, this is something i definately relate to strange formations. I am also curious as to why this clue was overlooked initially. It is of appropriate difficulty and matches extremely well. Okay so to conclude my conjecture is that I - QuickStriker is mafia and responsible for the day 3 second and third killings and II - Jonoman92 is also mafia and responsible for the last day 2 kill. I consider these my prime suspects and will vote for them as per my reasons above. Other suspicions: Fulgrim+ Show Spoiler + The 40k warrior guy with a huge ass sword sewing death etc etc. I think that since we have nothing else that can match to the long object in the hands of one of the killers and since this looks out of place enough for it to be a clue i deem it significant. + in that same novel there is a guy called ferus manus whose "iron hands play a big role". Further people picked up on the branded hand poem and fisherman reference. Shockeyy+ Show Spoiler + I still stand by my day 2 analysis of him and the connection I made to the hypnosis related killing and the spooky red eyes on his profile pic. I suggest people give that another read, I think the hypnosis bit is definitely a clue and shockeyy is the only person it can strongly relate to. Closing conclusions: + Show Spoiler + - Remember how in the beginning of the game one of the reasons that motivated my choice to believe d3_crescentia is not mafia was his posting style etc etc. Well I now believe we have an even stronger proof of that. The people who voted for him in the election. Of the 5 total votes, 3 have been confirmed townies through death and since I am a townie as well (although sadly this will also have to be proven in death it seems) we have only 1 person voting for him, who has "unclear intent". Therefore I conclude that if the mafia ran someone for election they would've at least supported him with a decent number of members - therefore d3 cant be mafia. Of course that strategy is logical but if the mafia have not in fact put up an election candidate then this theory falls apart since it doesn't really give us any conclusions. Since I have trusted him from the beginning of the game I would look mighty retarded if he turned out red and the small number of "uncertain people" votes for him was due to the fact that the mob realized he would win anyway and thus didnt give full support to him. - This leads to the conclusion that one of tree.hugger or fulgrim must be mafia if the reds have employed that strategy. I dont relate tree.hugger's profile pic to anything so if anyone has any ideas please share them. However his conservative posting style and attractive position of responsibility make him very suspicious. - Therefore whatever the outcome I think that the next lynch should include at least one of the two Also I am very interested as to why JadeFist, votes for me. I think some people are taking on the idea of "carrying out Xelin's legacy", which I think is clearly unfounded and such people may very well be the remaining mafia members since such a high profile kill (of a very active poster) will have the obvious repercussions of other players believing that the person was killed because of his suspicion. However this could very well be the mafia's attempt to muddy the waters. You did analysis on me? Where? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On January 28 2010 12:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Okay...well it seems my request is futile...You could even be argued that you are leering in your profile picture too Shockeyy.... Like I really wish I can do something, as in find clues, but if you look at some of my post. I write from my phone. So it sometimes gets very hard to do anything. When I get home later tonight, I will try and find some clues. | ||
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On January 29 2010 10:10 d3_crescentia wrote: Or that he just got defensive when Shockeyy criticized him and viewed everything he said as a possible mafia threat. IIRC Shockeyy was the first to criticize RoyW for supporting Xelin - which seemed within a reasonable range of behaviors. I know Shockeyy is posting from his phone, but with that said it seems to me that there wasn't any reason why Shockeyy was so firm in his conviction that Xelin was mafia. I might decide to vote him too. There are just so many suspicious candidates around here; I feel like a girl in a shopping mall trying on clothes. I was firm, wtf you talking about? Did you not see as to how many times I re-read his post and even provided with reasons as to why he was mafia. Like everyone else here, and even tree.hugger, I fucked up in choosing him. Which is why I just leave the clue seeking to you guys. I wish I can really try and find clues, but it's fucking hard with a phone. I will just read what every one has to say, and give my little 2cents here and there. My townie role only comes into play when I have to go and vote. Either way, when I do see something suspicious, I do post it and if you count the people that I have accused, it was like only three or four. | ||
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On January 30 2010 14:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: quick to give up....seriously suspicious...and the Johnnyspazz....I think you both are mafia....starting a negative bandwagon and what not... Screw you, look where you got me. Dead! | ||
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I FUCKING KNEW IT! I had posted him a long ass time ago T_T | ||
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