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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 24 2010 17:22 GMT
#541
Ok now I understand, I hadn't seen you actually starting to campaign for office, but I assumed I had just missed it because someone voted for you.
One does not simply walk into mordor
Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
January 24 2010 17:43 GMT
#542
So following d3's thoughts, I decided to try and look for the different mafia members

Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +
One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event. An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment. The sheriff Ace however was on the case. Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek. What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave. A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun. MAFIA 1 Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. MAFIA 2 Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.


Day 2
+ Show Spoiler +
The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. MAFIA 3 When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.
toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. MAFIA 4 As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls. Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position.MAFIA 5 He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him.


Descriptions:
Mafia 1: Quick attack, Figure "drew overtop him"
We don't have alot of description about this guy besides the Quick attack (if this means anything)

Mafia 2: Broken Flower Vase, "rush of air", something sink into his shoulder
There seems to be alot more clues about this guy, but besides d3, we haven't really connected him to anyone else

Mafia 3: "Long object", "figure in the shadows", "quickly blocked", "quickly countered",
This mafia didn't actually kill either of them which could be a clue, he could also be the same as Mafia 1 who had a "quick attack" (which may indicate quickstriker) He could also be the same as mafia 2 because both of their weapons are mentioned but never said exactly what they are.

Mafia 4: "drawing something technical", "fired two shots" "ran for cover"
There are some clues about this mafia, but we have no clue what drawing something technical means, AGAIN this mafia didn't kill any of them

Mafia 5: Long blade, "hypnotically", "odd formations in the air"
This guy could potentially also be mafia 2 because of the mention of air again, but I think he is a new mafia
One does not simply walk into mordor
dozko
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom160 Posts
January 24 2010 17:50 GMT
#543
Ah ok d3, thanks I thought we can have a double lynch on the day we have a majority. In that case my vote still stands as before.

For the record Im also not convinced QS is mafia and we should be weary of people jumping on lynchwagons too quickly without posting any arguments.
People respond to incentives; the rest is commentary.
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
January 24 2010 19:34 GMT
#544
On January 25 2010 02:20 d3_crescentia wrote:

Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives.

Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before.


I agreed with the first statement at first, but looking back, the adjective quick is used several times in both day1/2 posts. Maybe its still nothing, but I'm at least considering it now.

But if this second statement is correct, then looking at the use of the word quick is invalid. But I don't think its necessarily right. I think at this point, I think we shouldn't lynch Quickstriker, but definitely don't forget about him.
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
January 24 2010 19:45 GMT
#545
I think that everyone might be interested in reading Flamewheel71's posts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110324&currentpage=51
on page 51 of the other game, they are pretty epic in proving innocence.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 24 2010 20:10 GMT
#546
On January 25 2010 04:34 Iaaan wrote:
But if this second statement is correct, then looking at the use of the word quick is invalid. But I don't think its necessarily right. I think at this point, I think we shouldn't lynch Quickstriker, but definitely don't forget about him.

Yes, I don't believe it's necessarily the truth either, but I am fairly certain that many of today's clues would have referenced other mafia members seeing as there are seven of them. I think that the clues are arranged to be deliberately confounding at this point in time.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
January 24 2010 20:39 GMT
#547
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 24 2010 20:57 GMT
#548
On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.


You follower, I really suspect you being a mafia. First you lie when you join the game,
On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.

The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information.

i've never played before!


But, I don't have enough evidence yet to say this with a 100% sureness. Another person I really think might be fishball. Since both of you show up at random times. Not only that, fishball is the only person with a Dark Templar in his name. If you guys have ever watched that SC2 trailer with the DT jumping and doing somersaults all over the place, it reminds me of the clues that they left for us. Not only that DT's have blades.
Life?
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 24 2010 22:20 GMT
#549
On January 25 2010 02:20 d3_crescentia wrote:
dozko, we have to vote TO HAVE a double lynch before we can actually do it on the next day.

A brief PM conversation I had with BC. Read from bottom up:
Show nested quote +
correct. They only choose who to hit. I then control who does it. That way every mafia will get used in clues as opposed to just consistantly the same people

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
So getting this clear; Mafia do not have direct control over who does the killing?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
1 kp is = 1 kill.

For each kill 1 mafia will be used. 1 clue will be left by each mafia who makes a kill that night.

As for which mafia are active at night are up to me. So they could be used multiple times at this point or once.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
How do mafia hits work? Does 1KP = 1 person doing the hit? If so, does that mean that though there are 6 mafia only 3 of them could be doing hits (and thus have clues leading to them)? Are the mafia forced to alternate or can the same person do a hit twice in a row? Would these generate similar clues?

Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it.


Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives.

Following is from an older game (Mafia VII) where the mafia won. BC so kindly revealed the clues and whom they pointed to:
Show nested quote +
Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase(3clipse) before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast
Show nested quote +
As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure. (3clipse)
Show nested quote +
scamp gazed up as the figure blocked the moonlight from reaching him, then he was kicked hard in the head till he died. (3clipse)

And also:
Show nested quote +
saw a garrote wire around Truthbringers neck (0cz3c)
Show nested quote +
he let his wire fly around incognito’s throat, and with a bit of work, incognitos head was rolling along the floor. (0cz3c)

And for reference, BC's explanation of how they were associated:
Show nested quote +
3clipse code, eclipses, anything with the number 3
0cz3c box, decapitation, surrender, political


These are the kinds of things we should be looking for in clues. As such I'm now concerned more about the method of death and other random clues, and wondering if we can link both of the Day 1 and Day 2 clues together to see if they are suggesting the same or different people (which I believe is more of the case).

Each killer will likely be distinct from each other as far as clues go. We know that the first reference to quick was simply an attack, but the second was two quick shots - which are associated with a technical drawing. We also have a mafia with a long object, a mafia with a blade (and strange motions), a person who was near a cave/shoreline, and a person associated with the flower vase.

Conjecture: All of the mafia will have acted at least once by Day 3, and at least two of them will have acted twice.

Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before.

I believe that it follows that it is unwise to lynch QuickStriker currently, simply because the adjective 'quick' was used twice. We don't know how Ace died - it could have been shots or stabs or some bizarre martial arts blow, and the fact that it was quick shouldn't be as big as people are making it.

One more thing: we currently have 23 townies and 7 mafia. This is a difference of 16 people, or 4 more days of killing people assuming we all hit townies each time, and that there are no vigis/medics active. Using a double lynch once will take us down to 3 days, but if we do it twice in a row (or even not) there will still be three days left. I encourage everyone to vote for a double-lynch tomorrow at the very least.


Good post. I always welcome people with different point of views that actually makes sense.
靈魂交響曲
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
January 24 2010 22:21 GMT
#550
^ nice lil jibe ;p
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
January 24 2010 22:22 GMT
#551
On January 25 2010 05:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.


You follower, I really suspect you being a mafia. First you lie when you join the game,
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:
On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.

The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information.

i've never played before!


But, I don't have enough evidence yet to say this with a 100% sureness. Another person I really think might be fishball. Since both of you show up at random times. Not only that, fishball is the only person with a Dark Templar in his name. If you guys have ever watched that SC2 trailer with the DT jumping and doing somersaults all over the place, it reminds me of the clues that they left for us. Not only that DT's have blades.

Lol i was being sarcastic because Ace said there was a lot of newbies or something and i've played like 2-3 games with him.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 24 2010 22:32 GMT
#552
On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.


That's is actually what I'm thinking too. It just seems a little bit too easy.

I recall in previous Mafia games, ShadowDrgn keeps getting lynch because of "dark shadow, flame" clues in those games, but every time, he was just an innocent townie. Poor thing...

This would also make sense that I couldn't relate the "long object in hand" clue to QS. If what d3_crescentia stated were true, the clues in Day 1 and Day 2 would be pointing to two different people instead of the same one.

With that being said, the "quick" and "figure" clues are still on the table which I don't mind taking a shot at.
The second guy that I would like to keep an eye on would be IloveKt, as stated on page 26, and brought up by a couple others as well.
靈魂交響曲
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 24 2010 22:41 GMT
#553
To be honest, the chances of the town winning is pretty slim.

23 players left, 7 Mafia, 16 Townies.
With 2 Vigilantes and a Detective dead, we pretty much have to ace every single lynch, and Medics would have to make the right choices every night.
What makes it even worse, is that BC said half the blues are inactive...
靈魂交響曲
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
January 24 2010 22:50 GMT
#554
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 24 2010 23:01 GMT
#555
On January 25 2010 07:41 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, the chances of the town winning is pretty slim.

23 players left, 7 Mafia, 16 Townies.
With 2 Vigilantes and a Detective dead, we pretty much have to ace every single lynch, and Medics would have to make the right choices every night.
What makes it even worse, is that BC said half the blues are inactive...

You're pretty much right.

As I've said before, we have 4 days left in the game if we continue using our single lynches, and 3 days even if we use both of our double lynches - but this is only speaking in terms of survival. We can maybe buy another day if the medics are successful in predicting/covering mafia hits, but they have to be 100% perfect.

If we manage to hit at least 2 mafia in the next few days then by my count we should have another day on top of that. Double-lynching will give us a better chance to accomplish that, even if we lose extra townies.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 24 2010 23:03 GMT
#556
On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.

This is a stretch. I've seen the anime in question and would be more convinced if there was a chess or strategist metaphor.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 24 2010 23:18 GMT
#557
On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.


I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg:

- RoyW
An enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown

- Jonoman92
Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology

Just another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
靈魂交響曲
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 25 2010 00:17 GMT
#558
On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.


I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg:

- RoyW
An enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown

- Jonoman92
Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology

Just another approach you guys might want to take a look at.

I remember looking up the definition of arcology before Day 2 and threw it out because it wasn't relevant to Day 1 clues. Now things have changed. I think there is a substantial connection here to either of these two players, though I feel the RoyW connection is a bit weaker. Overall I do think it's better than most of the other clue-linking attempts we've made so far.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
January 25 2010 00:45 GMT
#559
I think we need to kill 3 mafia before their kill power goes down, since its the number of mafia/2 rounded up.

And I think that is actually a pretty good connection to Jonoman92, and also RoyW maybe.
Both of them have been mostly lurking, but still voting, and I think that RoyW is either dumb, or he's just been coming in the thread with accusations to make people angry at each other. and I think anyone who does that is bad for the town.
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
January 25 2010 00:47 GMT
#560
edit: googleing RoyW, Roy W Brown is the first guy that comes up, so that I think makes it more likely to be choosen for a clue.
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