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dozko
United Kingdom160 Posts
On January 24 2010 11:11 Iaaan wrote: Okay that's fine, but I just think that at this point clues are less reliable, because we don't know for sure what exactly are clues, and even if we do, we can still interpret them wrong. Fair enough, but thats what makes the game hard and interesting  | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On January 24 2010 11:05 Fishball wrote: I see these "Dark Templar" references almost every game, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind the guy with the blade was not standing in the shadows whatsoever, but was visible. I figured it'd be a common occurrence; it isn't personal at all. Like I said, what I'm more interested in is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air" could mean, because I think that's a more substantial clue. | ||
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
 Just got back from visiting my brother for a few days so will now be more active. Had a breif look over the clues and a lot of profiles and nothing has really jumped out so far. I agree with most of what XeLiN has said so far, and also suspect mostly QuickStriker. Will go to bed now and look more at the clues/go into more detail over my thoughts tomorrow when I wake up | ||
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Fulgrim
United States560 Posts
The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man. toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls. Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position. He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him. I decided to write down my first impressions of the night 1 post before I read anyone else's so my ideas might be more original. Hopefully not many overlaps Ok so it really sucks that the mafia got BOTH vigis, but I guess its better to have medics still in tact. After reading this I also went through and highlighted the things I thought were significant. Some of the things I could tie back, others I don't really know. There is ANOTHER reference to drinking, when it talks about liquor. This could indicate drinking, or Iplaythings who's signature talks about thirst and water. Another more far-fetched connection are the words wrong, wrong and mistake which could point to JoxxOr who's signature is WScript.echo('You Fail'); (fail of course being the connection) Both long object and the mafia guy drawing something technical stood out to me as being odd, but I couldn't see a connection to anything. I feel like alot of things in here were awkwardly worded but couldn't connect much to anyone else. | ||
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Fulgrim
United States560 Posts
On January 24 2010 08:37 Iaaan wrote: and just because I think it might be relevant, I will post some stuff about the voting. fulgrim - 3 tree.hugger itspaul decafchicken d3_cresentia - 5 Fishball Dozko softer i10f johnnyspazz It could mean nothing, but the Mafia could have killed these people (itspaul and i10f) to show that it wasn't the Mafia voting for Cresentia/fulgrim, when they really were. But that said, The mafia would have been aiming to get someone in the position of mayor, so looking at the votes for tree.hugger: tree.hugger - 3 d3_cresentia ~opz~ no_re This is who everyone thought would win, as he had 4 votes before i changed mine. I changed my vote to try to screw things up because like I said, I think the Mafia would have wanted the Mayor position the most, and the Mafia thought tree.hugger would have won (which he did) since he was in the lead. Any more votes for him would have caused a tie for sheriff, and at that point in the game, we didn't know what would have happened in a tie. Again with wanting the position of mayor, the Mafia could have voted for Cresentia in order to put them ahead of their candidate. So all that said, at this point the people I suspect the most are Softer and Johnnyspazz for bumping up cresentias votes towards the end, ~Opz~ for voting free tree.hugger, tree.hugger for being mayor (again because the mafia would want this position, and the mafia should have thought tree.hugger would win), and Quickstriker for the clues (which Fishball outlined, and I also think the line "Drawing something technical" points to his profile.) I agree that its interesting to look at the three people who died. It would be hard for the mafia to have known that 2/3 of them were blue (although they might have suspected toplexa for replacing someone), and these people really didn't post much (toplexa was saying that he was going to post some analysis.) So in my opinion the cause of their deaths was one of three things, feel free to disagree, but I think these are the only scenarios 1) One or several of the three had accidentally contacted a mafia member through pm's and had revealed their role to them 2) The mafia did it to affect our perceptions of the day 1 election (who they voted for and why) 3) Mafia just chose three random people | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
With that, I'll leave with my final statement of the night: I highly recommend to consider the townies to vote for double lynch on Day 3 in the voting thread like I did. By getting the majority of townies to get this vote to pass, we can get 2 people off the next day and with the clues incoming in on day 3 by then and also what we have now, I am certain we can find 2 people to lynch easier. One can interpret this tactic also for the mafias to make better thought and use to get rid of non-mafia members quicker using psychology, however for me, it is to have the game move along faster, and also can come out in a better position than what we have now. Sure it's a risky move as this is like betting a lot of money or even going all-in in terms of SC or poker as we can come out in a more positive outcome or a worse outcome. However, I think it's worth the risk. Good night! | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On January 24 2010 11:07 dozko wrote: I disagree with you on this laaan. I think clues should be the primary factors which generate suspicion, since we have them black on white and we know they lead to the mafia. In contrast it is much harder to judge whether a post is a clue or giveaway since it is easy for people to obscure their roles. Therefore I believe it is better to create suspicion from the narration and then verify it with posts. Yeah but you are likely to say that Dozko as it is your posts that have labelled you a cigar chewing Mafia bandit and not the clues yet. I agree with Voting double lynch on our first day and my two picks would be Dozko and Quickstriker. | ||
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Fulgrim
United States560 Posts
Johnnyspazz - 3 Quickstriker - 3 Softer - 2 Double lynch votes - 4 | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
Quickstriker - 4 Softer - 2 Double lynch votes - 4 | ||
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dozko
United Kingdom160 Posts
I would not ask you to reconsider the posts or the clues, since I see nothing I say will change your viewpoint but keeping an open mind is a useful talent toi have in mafia games. The double vote is a good idea methinks, however shouldnt people put 2 lynch choices in the vote thread instead of 1? Choice 1 if a single lynch and choices 1 + 2 if a double. I am suspicious of softer and drinking as I have posted before and will therefore augment my vote. | ||
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Fulgrim
United States560 Posts
Also Quickstriker was running for a short period of time and withdrew for some reason. From his posts I don't think he's mafia, but both day clues point to him... He has abstained on every vote so far which I find a bit suspicious. Depending on what Quickstriker is, I think Xelin is the opposite... (though he seems more like mafia then Quick, has accused more people of being mafia) | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Either way I think after Quickstriker is shown to be red it may be more obvious that I am Green I also stand by what I said earlier on if quickstriker is Green I will happily walk the plank and not put up a defence. (be lynched) shame Dozko won't be lynched as I am far more certain of him than Quickstriker... | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
Just you know, since I already see a repeat from Mafia VII, I won't rage hard but I will give my final thoughts and statement by the end of the day to give my last advice for you town whether I'm dead by the town or the mafia, since I'm bound to be dead anyway. But then again, when I'm dead, HOPEFULLY everyone here would get a spark in their heads and know who to vote for or who to lead to next. Perhaps it might be wrong as well, but like I stated, I suggest all of you to vote for double lynch again as I don't see enough. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On January 25 2010 01:39 Fulgrim wrote: I have this feeling that either tree.hugger or d3 are mafia. We obviously know that at least one of the candidates is mafia, and d3 seemed to pick up a couple of votes at the end. Also Quickstriker was running for a short period of time and withdrew for some reason. From his posts I don't think he's mafia, but both day clues point to him... He has abstained on every vote so far which I find a bit suspicious. Depending on what Quickstriker is, I think Xelin is the opposite... (though he seems more like mafia then Quick, has accused more people of being mafia) I never had the intention of running whatsoever. If you actually look within pages and pages of the thread, I never campaigned, I never stated as such, and one person just happened to vote for me. It was until I finally posted on thread I wasn't running that the one person realized and changed his vote. So don't misunderstood me, I was never interested. I only abstained because I am not voting carelessly like others are. I will think over, read over the clues, and vote according to who I think is mafia 100%, not 40%, not 70%, and not even 90%. And finally, yes, I feel one of the elected positions are mafia though I'm more cautious for tree.hugger for my own personal reasons.... but not enough to get me think he's mafia 100% or anything. D3, I don't know... It's possible both are mafia or neither of them. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
And sidesprang, you just popped out of this game from nowhere, isn't that more suspicious? Where were you from Day 1 and night 1 that you just happened to come out now? | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
A brief PM conversation I had with BC. Read from bottom up: correct. They only choose who to hit. I then control who does it. That way every mafia will get used in clues as opposed to just consistantly the same people ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So getting this clear; Mafia do not have direct control over who does the killing? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: 1 kp is = 1 kill. For each kill 1 mafia will be used. 1 clue will be left by each mafia who makes a kill that night. As for which mafia are active at night are up to me. So they could be used multiple times at this point or once. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: How do mafia hits work? Does 1KP = 1 person doing the hit? If so, does that mean that though there are 6 mafia only 3 of them could be doing hits (and thus have clues leading to them)? Are the mafia forced to alternate or can the same person do a hit twice in a row? Would these generate similar clues? Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it. Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives. Following is from an older game (Mafia VII) where the mafia won. BC so kindly revealed the clues and whom they pointed to: Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase(3clipse) before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure. (3clipse) scamp gazed up as the figure blocked the moonlight from reaching him, then he was kicked hard in the head till he died. (3clipse) And also: saw a garrote wire around Truthbringers neck (0cz3c) he let his wire fly around incognito’s throat, and with a bit of work, incognitos head was rolling along the floor. (0cz3c) And for reference, BC's explanation of how they were associated: 3clipse code, eclipses, anything with the number 3 0cz3c box, decapitation, surrender, political These are the kinds of things we should be looking for in clues. As such I'm now concerned more about the method of death and other random clues, and wondering if we can link both of the Day 1 and Day 2 clues together to see if they are suggesting the same or different people (which I believe is more of the case). Each killer will likely be distinct from each other as far as clues go. We know that the first reference to quick was simply an attack, but the second was two quick shots - which are associated with a technical drawing. We also have a mafia with a long object, a mafia with a blade (and strange motions), a person who was near a cave/shoreline, and a person associated with the flower vase. Conjecture: All of the mafia will have acted at least once by Day 3, and at least two of them will have acted twice. Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before. I believe that it follows that it is unwise to lynch QuickStriker currently, simply because the adjective 'quick' was used twice. We don't know how Ace died - it could have been shots or stabs or some bizarre martial arts blow, and the fact that it was quick shouldn't be as big as people are making it. One more thing: we currently have 23 townies and 7 mafia. This is a difference of 16 people, or 4 more days of killing people assuming we all hit townies each time, and that there are no vigis/medics active. Using a double lynch once will take us down to 3 days, but if we do it twice in a row (or even not) there will still be three days left. I encourage everyone to vote for a double-lynch tomorrow at the very least. | ||
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