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That is an interesting question Quickstriker, The reasons i consider you suspicious are mainly due to the nature of your posting, although i certianly think the "Quick attack" potential clue that no_re highlighted oh so long ago is both plausible and telling.
In that hypothesis i feel i would have achieved something as it would lend itself very well to helping me evaluate other players who would be inextricably linked (in my mind) with the outcome if you turned out to be non-mafia. I do however feel out of everyone so far that you are the most obviously Mafia and if I am wrong i would have to do alot of inner thinking and possibly some meditation.
It's nothing personal btw so please don't take it as such this is just honestly my opinion on the matter as of this moment.
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Your going to kick yourselves when it turns out im Green
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and i bring up i was//am drinking because, I AM! its not a tool to make people not read into my posts quite frankly i hope people do as i think they in themselves show me to not be mafia and instead trying to be involved and instrumental in this game.
However if i do die and Im gonna put it out there i think i might, have a glance towards the people accusing me and take that into consideration townies.
also the skype offer was genuine if you think i am lying then come online and chat to me lol, im pretty sure that would get accross my innocence of being red far better.
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WHAT? seriously what? "Of course you are currently defending yourself explaining your posts after they had absolute unnecessary purpose into the thread in the first place."
what do you even mean by this? seriously explain yourself more clearly. And furthermore if my posts had "absolute unneccesary purpose into the thread in the first place" how on earth does my post just above provide purpose for them?
You literally are making no sense to me.
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I posted them as an aside, both to explain why the nature of my posts may be different than those before (im aware that alcohol has certain alerting effects) also just to add a little personality and character for any possible dating opportunities that may result from this game.
+ Show Spoiler + The above was a joke but being aware that Quick is likely to attempt to alter everything i post in an attempt to cast suspicion on me just thought it be clear! also Quicksilver is up to his neck in it in terms of being mafia and his consistent tones of "oh i'd going to make this accusation but just as a neutral person im not actually accusing" again reek, like his posts completely up to this point. as him being Mafia. I would like to reiterate that If elected i would swiftly and decisively kill him. Anyone who, from reading the posts in this thread, has come to a similar conclusion i either urge to put themselves forward as candidates or vote for me
only intended to put the first sentence in a spoiler i kinda got carried away, i feel like the kids at willy wonka's factory who just delve too far...
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accidently pressed enter before finishing, Actually (again) it may be obvious to some that support for me or rather my logic and reasoning up to this point has been exceptionally sparse. Now i could just idiotic in my assertions and reasoning and just be dumb (a humbling possibility) or it could be that I actually am a townie and the people who may feel inclined to agree or support my reasoning have been less forthcoming that the mafia who are likely to support, develop and emphasise the claims of their partners no matter what they say.
To simplyfy, As of yet I seem to be fairly lonesome and this in itself i feel is telling and perhaps exonerating.
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My opinion on RoyW is that I have deicided to take a slight risk and trust him explicitly, He showed his support for me based on the nature of my posts and knowing, as i do, that i am not mafia, i decided to take a risk and consider him trustworthy as he had very little to gain from showing his trust in me were he to be mafia.
This is slightly meaningless in the sense that it is purely from my perspective under the hypothesis that I am not Mafia yet that is my position.
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I am going to have to change my vote them Fulgrim as i very much disagree with voting to kill the least active person. There are people who have posted in such a manner, myself arguably included, that it would be more beneficial to vote kill and I am inclinced to vote for someone who makes a clear arument as to who they would decide to kill and why.
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Dzoko's accusations against me, I have spoilered it as it is a wall of text, but I missed it or only responded to certain aspects yesterday and now I have woken up ought to respond to it
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On January 21 2010 11:53 dozko wrote:Nice to get some more activity in our provincial town  I will be abstaining from voting for now but will do so when i wake up tomorrow, I now have a better idea of who to go for. However, despite all the possible clues so far we have discussed I must say I have a gut feeling that XeliN might in fact be the red scum going for mayor/sheriff : 1) [QUOTE] On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. [/QUOTE] You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. 2) If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. 3) His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. [QUOTE] On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:My candidacy for Mayor. I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act. Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very   SMall chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2). 4) He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. 5) [QUOTE] On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve! [/QUOTE] This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely   ReasoN is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim. 6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. 7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. I do not think so many repetitions and emphasis placement on one concept is random. He seems to spend too much time on strategies to further his own aims rather than the towns'.[/QUOTE]
Point 1) I cannot respond to as you make it as vague as possible both who is supposed to have accused me earlier and also what the nature of his accusation is. You state neither of these things. And secondly I have not made a claim to martyrdom, I have made a claim to Innoncence , please don't spin things in order to evoke a preffered reaction in the kind of way a politician might.
And as for "It seems weird you would bring this up now", I am not certain as to what you are specificially referring to (my post, a certain part of it, what?) but i do not see why stating that I put myself up for election is weird in any way. Either I am Mafia looking to enjoy all the benefits being a Mayor//Sherrif could bring or I am with the Town and have put myself forward in order to take out the Mafia. Either way it is not "weird"
Point 2) Immediately the first thing that stands out to me is that lack of anything specific or concrete, You claim what I am posting is obvious and things that everyone could realise and that I am trying to gain trust by posted them in this way. Give Examples How you can make this number of vague and ambiguous points up till now without at least trying to cite specific examples where i do what you are saying is beyond me. I will say no more on this point as the argument against me here is simply opinion and poorly sustantiated opinion at that. I will let others decide the value and nature of my posting and will be happy to respond if you actually acuse things that are specific and that I can respond to.
Point 3 Again you mention another accusation from another poster, please be more specific. Your main point here is that I am speaking in definite terms, TOO RIGHT! I have made my current intentions as to what I would do if I was Mayor quite clear, I aim to be decisive and whilst the arguments listed for waiting and erring from action have some merit I think they are comparatively wrong and it is in the Towns best interest to act swiftly and analyse peoples posts and their advice or intentions and as a result decide who to kill//incarcerate.
Oh and your last point as to why I was doing this was you said, "I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself". As this like much of your "accusations" although I am inclined to call them musings, is just opinion I cannot really comment on it as it is not an argument but simply say no I am not.
Point 4 You are wrong here, I simply claimed that I might be a possible target and would enjoy the protection that being one of the elected candidates would bring. Again you seem to have made an exaggeration in the same way you did in point 1 with "Martyr" in order to elicit some kind of negative response, I frown upon this. I would like to be open, active and hopefully clear and decisive throughout this game and am concious that doing so might bring attention towards me from the Mafia.
Point 5 I am not going to comment on this paragraph other than simply this. 1) I was drinking and playing HoN with a freind, it was just an offhand comment and not meant to be analysed with surgical percision but as you seem to have done so I will respond with, you are wrong. 2) The friend is Nytefish on teamliquid and im sure would corroborate, although he wasnt drinking himself.
Point 6 Your argument here is twofold, The first one is that I keep emphasising that everything is open for debate, CITE EXAMPLES, im not saying you are wrong but having to try to counter argue someone who might as well be saying nothing due to how general your arguments are is irritating. If i am stating that everything is open to debate with people who disagree with me (and from what i remember of my postings I haven't been overly doing this) actually, this again is a meaningless accusation, as far as I can tell I have been clear about my suspicions and it has in fact been others who are stressing "but it could be wrong, we ought to wait, I think you may be right but also be wrong" e.t.c and I have tryed to stay away from making these kinds of posts.
Point 7 I think you are reffering to my jokingly typing that I have no friends and asking anyone from Mafia if they want to chat on skype. I was slightly drunk and bored and quite simply would have enjoyed doing so, there is no more to it than that.
Well thats a fun way to start the day, Hopefully I have provided a valid defence of these unfortunately vague and opinionated accusations. I would suggest that many of them are not worth the paper they are not written on least of all the pc screens they are showing on for reasons given above, but I hope others analyse the arguments from both sides and post their thoughts.
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Crescentia I owe you somewhat of an apology, I jumped to conclusions about you based on very little. My reasoning was quite flawed in all honesty. I thought you might be Mafia based upon my still firm belief that QuickStriker is. You made a post saying that you do not believe QuickStriker to be mafia and didnt in my mind give clear reasons as to why and this made me very suspicious of you. Going over all of your posts now I realise the error of this reasoning. It made a snapish judgement on you based on what i deemed to be your subtle support of Quickstriker.
I take back that I think you should be lynched. None of what you have posted so far is enough to make that kind of judgement. I still strongly believe that Quickstriker ought to be the first person to be lynched and he would remain my choice.
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Oh he meant Mayordom.. doesn;t make much sense but I guess he means "put forward yourself as a candidate" or something similar then.
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Tree.hugger i could be blue but i think that post made it clear I am claiming not to be. I am green.
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The best way to test. or most sure way to test if i am Mafia is to lynch me, theres no reason whatsoever to bring RoyW into it and can't see why you would.
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Well Town a few points as I see it, due the inactive nature of the voting, it might be fair to say that the chances of one of the Mafia being elected to Mayor or Sherrif are high. Not saying anything against the people themselves apart from running they have done very little suspicious but nonethless like someone pointed out if you have alot of inactive townies (im going to assume the mafia are not inactive as i expect they have more incentive to be active) not voting then the mafia can have an easier job of voting a candidate in.
and 2 accusations against people I am almost certain are Mafia
Dzoko -
He put the time and effort into a wealth of posts both stating how my actions are suspicious and my reasoning is false. Yet when I likewise make a big block countering him, he simply dismisses it saying "you did not address my points" or something similar. I am almost certain he is Mafia.
Quickstriker -
The reasons I suspect Quickstrike and why others view him to be a suspect have already been made clear and have not changed.
Get rid of these 2 obvious Mafia, dzoko might as well be holding a tommygun and chatting with al capone for how obvious he has made it from his posting and the clue and subsequent postings of Quickstriker have done likewise.
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Dozko (Isn't spelling fun) you can very simply and easily counter what I was saying about you, do you know how?
Be Clear, the "big block counter" I posted wasn't just to try to persuade the town that I am a Townie, it was also a test to see how you would in turn respond.
I challenge you to go through precicely what points of yours I "ignored" and also to be more clear about what your points were. If you do this and in a way which is clear and not ambiguous and generalising then you will look far less suspicious.
This is quite fun for me as I am mainly posting this for others to see, I myself am almost certain you are mafia and would quite frankly just enjoy trying to stich you up. Your move shelock.
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I have a whimsical proposition also. If the town do lynch dozko or quickstriker and it transpires that they or one of them is not Mafia, I propose that I be the next person to be lynched.
I'm hopeful that this is quite a good proposition for the town to give serious consideration too. please do so ^^
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Shockey interesting point, and a sound argument (this is sarcasm), but you have tempted me to put forward another interesting little proposition.
I will happily consent to being lynched first on one condition, If I am lynched and it turns out I am, as I claim to be, a humble Green Townie, then quickstriker and dozko will be the next people lynched.
to add a further condition, say I am lynched first and am a townie, then the town decides to lynch Quickstriker and he is also a townie, then my condition of lynching them both is void and as I would have been wrong on quickstriker in this hypothesis then dozko would not be lynched.
So to emphasise, two propositions
If the town agree to lynch Quickstriker and Dozko first and one of them is not Mafia, Then I propose that I be the next person to be lynched
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I propose that I be the first person lynched on the one simple condition that If I am innocent then Dozko and Quickstriker will be lynched next
I would prefer the first but am completely happy to do the second as well. Dying sucks but i think i would be greatly helping the town by doing so in this instance.
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For QuickStriker i have already given my reasons in my previous posts, whilst they may be scattered among more than one I don't rlly want to repeat myself.
For Dozko it is more intriguing and based on a number of things.
Warning wall of text coming up yet again, but as i was asked...
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I have already mentioned his long accusatory post against me, if people read it and I mean seriously take the time to study it, then you can see just how vague, opinionated (by this i mean using assumptions such as "i think xelin is mafia and is typing//doing x for the ulterior motive of achieving y")
This immedatiately made me suspicious of him and also i want lie, quite annoyed by him as most of his accusations, when analysed were simply jargon. Now i would judge he is at least reasonably intelligent, something along the lines of a small dolphin or middle aged monkey, and as such there struck me as two distinctly contrasting elements to that and a couple of other posts he made that stood out.
He puts a lot of effort into accusing and placing suspicion on me YET the things he is accusing and suspicions he is trying to raise are vague, general and opinionated. This struck me as a distinctly Mafia like thing to do, he would achieve confusion and suspicion amongst the townies and also detract from any credibility i might have.
Further more after this i PM'd him saying "You really are a dickhead, what points am i supposed to have ignored?" (This was after i posted my "big block defense" and he didnt acknowledge or respond to ANY of it instead simply stated that I ignored his points.
He then responded "Whats with your nerdrage? Grow up and learn to read. Thats the main point of the game."
I felt that any Honest Townie, would be far more likely to possibly put the nerdrage bit sure, but would also have said what i was supposed to have ignored. He still has not told me or the rest of the town what points i am supposed to have ignored and instead just left it in the backround//past.
Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, with this in mind people seeming to go out of their way to accuse me, particularly in ways that are illogical and unfounded which is what dozko has done, are highly suspicious.
I could go on im sure there are more reasons but hopefully for now this gives enough for people to think about
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Also Shockeyy is looking more and more suspicious to me with every small contribution he makes.
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