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On January 21 2010 00:55 d3_crescentia wrote:Checking up on people with large postcounts for veterancy using the search feature... ~OpZ~ - TL Mafia II, III JoxxOr - TL Mafia II, Ace's Mafia World decafchicken - TL Mafia II, III l10f - Pyrry's Mafia Game Fishball - a lot of them (II, III, V, VII, and more) QuickStriker - TL Mafia VII I know there are plenty of people who have played mafia with relatively smaller postcounts. I'll come up with those as soon as I feel up searching through 29 more names. At any rate, these are people with posting histories that we can maybe sort of guess about their posting history/behaviors. Also... a discrepancy (for the lulz, I'm guessing): + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before! Oh decaf, you... person.
Thanks for pointing those facts out, it is definitely helpful. But I do realize that you didn't make a history of mafia games yourself as you seem to recognize me from previous mafia game I played which based on your list is Mafia VII, which seems probably correct.
And that was funny how you pointed out about decaf... lol!
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The fact that we don't have as much activeness from other townies or majority of people compared to the other game really sadden me. The ones who are in the mist of quietness and just sitting along the sidelines should all step up rather than being scared or not wanting to come out at all because they're lazy. This game contrast to the other mafia game going on right now is so far behind with pretty much everything. Perhaps it's just me that I think this way but that's what and how I see it right now....
On January 21 2010 02:06 haster27 wrote:
First day clues should NOT be used to lynch a person unless the day progresses, so that they correspond with the other day's clues. Moreover, I am really wary of the fact that two obvious clues pointing to single individual appeared within a single day. That is generally sign of the unintentional red herring.
3 things regarding the first day clues:
1. The 2 clues weren't pointing or directed at single individual, as they were usually directed to 2 different people as the OP or the TL mafia game works in a way each death leads to a clue to one different person.
2. I'm just sort of hyper and active in the beginning stages, especially right now when I'm on my winter break having absolutely nothing to do..... though I still don't get how that is how I am unintentional red herring when I am coming up being the most active person in this game right now wanting this game to move along much quicker and trying to lead this game into a positive direction.
3. There were 3 deaths, meaning 3 clues, which also means 3 different people, not 1.
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On January 21 2010 02:01 RoyW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 00:27 d3_crescentia wrote:
Two things: I don't think QuickStriker is mafia, but I'm not 100% sure. His posting behavior is pretty similar to the last game he played in. I know it's too soon, but it seems crazy that someone who is mafia could be that prominent in his posting. He has about 15% of posts in a 34 player game. Mods, for future reference, can we ask for a current vote count at any stage?
I believe I have at least or around 50% of posts since the game started! Just pointing that out though I don't want to brag or anything. I just really want this game to start, move, and go on.... =/
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I was at the other mafia game and this post really got to me...
On January 21 2010 02:19 Bill Murray wrote:
789 my theory is not thrown out the window... it is correct
town wants player A lynched tonight
mayor lynches player B instead
Player B and mayor are either friends or mafia, and are going against the town's wishes.
We should then lynch the mayor, as he has 3 possible votes per voting window. Him saying "i vote for [NyC]Hobbes" = 3 votes. We can't have someone doing that and going against the wishes of the majority of the town.
i suppose the mayor could do this just on a whim, but would we want someone like that as the mayor even if they arent mafia?
It gives a good point regarding what sort of mayor we want..... it's some good food for thought to think about if we get a mayor and his first vote to kill would be someone who is mafia but went against the town decision.... and the whole if we want a mayor who goes against the town wishes... hmm...
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On January 21 2010 02:26 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 02:15 tree.hugger wrote:
In games of Mafia, there are degrees of activity. These degrees of activity would persist no matter what roles people got, and since roles were randomly assigned, suggesting that 'Poster A' is mafia because he posts too much is ignoring the fact that 'Poster A' would've contributed significantly anyway, as they're experienced with games of mafia, and comfortable playing any role.
What instead is more important are deviations in posting patterns and word choice. These will lead us more surely to the mafia.
This not to say that anyone is or isn't mafia, it's simply a note of caution. We shouldn't go about lynching our most active and productive members, or else who's going to go about finding the clues?
The reason I announced my candidacy for sheriff/mayor is that I have the objectivity and patience to not consistently make ridiculous judgments. I like the way you think.
I second that thought. Like I mentioned again and again, it's too early to assume anything who the mafia could be. The clues are a bit too vague compared to the other game if you take a chance to look at them....
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Just want to restate this because I think it's extremely important to help out the DTs at this point.
The DT can only check one person's clues rather than a list of clues made by more than one person, so what we need right now to maximize DT's ability is to have a single person to compile all the clues into one post and stating that it was based on his thinking which the DT can take advantage of that and exploit it where he can use his ability on that single post to the OP in which the OP has NO CHOICE but to give its answer.... that is one method I would go for to further help the DT..
So far, the clues that are wrapped up and given for each death that gives possible leads are the following:
1. d3_crescentia's suggestion of how no description on the first guy's death is a clue. I fully endorse this idea and took it to further saying it can possibly be someone who has a blank profile, giving from the list I had last page. Xelin is also a possibility just to point out that he modified his profile and added stuff in AFTER I made that list yesterday of blank profiles.
2. no_re's reference of that "quick attack" that leads to me.
3. no_re's other reference to d3_crescentia regarding the flower thing and the connection to its name and all....
At least we can start with those leads where if we have someone else to compile a really nice neat post that the DT can use the clue check on that post. Mine is still a little messy imo. But at this point of game, we gotta help out the hidden DTs out there to check the related clues.
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On January 21 2010 02:30 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +
Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
Get used to seeing this, this is excellent. Taking this in a vacuum, note that outright denial is always deemed suspicious. If this had started with personal attacks against the accuser, and then vehement denials, they'd be headed off the gallows immediately. This post pulls off a clever switch. It acknowledges that the poster could be mafia, in fact it refuses to debate the point entirely. This is clever, because the easiest people to decide to lynch are those who put up the biggest fight. By conceding the point immediately, this post makes it very hard to take issue with his character. But it does, in fact, defend itself. Quite strenuously at that! See how swiftly it moves on to plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the mind of the reader, by lecturing us on the hazards of killing someone who is not mafia. Of course, the chances of randomly killing a mafia are greater than killing the medic or the detective, but since the chance exists, the post abuses the probability of first decision. Moreover, the post actually then outright implies that the poster is a medic or detective, something that (to me, in my experience) seems to almost ludicrously eliminate the poster from occupying either of these roles. Few people would ever be so careless with their positions if they actually were that position. The final point of interest in this post is a corollary to the first clause. I'd call the technique 'martyrdom' because the poster professes to not mind dying if only to prove a point to all the noobs in this game. Of course, there are a mix of veterans and noobs here, and of course, the poster is playing to win. But by offering himself up for sacrifice, the poster knows full well that we will not pick such low hanging fruit. The post then, protects the poster by doing the exact opposite of what you might expect, by actually encouraging critics of the poster. Be wary of these.
Once again, I do support and endorse your post. You saw my viewpoint and my train of thought exactly. This is the type of mindset we need in this type of game. Mafia or not, I would have made such comment has if the initial verdict had fallen on me. But yes, I'm playing to win (I mean who plays to lose? rofl), but I was implying and giving this message to everyone, especially the novices like you have stated. But since you were able to directly understand my statement there, I'm far curious of which what direction you would take regarding this. ^_^
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spelling and grammar error on my last post. I meant "started" not "stated" as I would normally edit my post to correct this.
Also the type of mindset I meant is both how I am thinking and how tree.hugger is thinking.
Lastly, I think I worded this incorrectly but in no way means was I trying to insult or call tree.hugger a noob. I wasn't trying to imply that at all, in case further misunderstanding occurs.
Epic fail for me, I meant "stated" not "started" so disregard my first comment...
On January 21 2010 02:44 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 02:30 tree.hugger wrote:
Well what a great day to start. If you really feel I'm the mafia, then very well, feel that way. It's not like this is the first time people started accusing me as mafia due to 2 words in the description and I was actually a townie. But note this, if you fail to get a kill correctly and end up killing an innocent townie who was actually trying to help and be the most active, I can already see the downfall of this game. Of course it's far worse if you killed someone who actually had a significant role within the town, such as DT or a medic, though I'm not giving myself away at the moment. I don't mind dying from the get-go to prove everyone's illogical point that they think they are right about themselves but yet they only end up very wrong; because I can and will foresee that.
Get used to seeing this, this is excellent. Taking this in a vacuum, note that outright denial is always deemed suspicious. If this had started with personal attacks against the accuser, and then vehement denials, they'd be headed off the gallows immediately. This post pulls off a clever switch. It acknowledges that the poster could be mafia, in fact it refuses to debate the point entirely. This is clever, because the easiest people to decide to lynch are those who put up the biggest fight. By conceding the point immediately, this post makes it very hard to take issue with his character. But it does, in fact, defend itself. Quite strenuously at that! See how swiftly it moves on to plant the seed of reasonable doubt in the mind of the reader, by lecturing us on the hazards of killing someone who is not mafia. Of course, the chances of randomly killing a mafia are greater than killing the medic or the detective, but since the chance exists, the post abuses the probability of first decision. Moreover, the post actually then outright implies that the poster is a medic or detective, something that (to me, in my experience) seems to almost ludicrously eliminate the poster from occupying either of these roles. Few people would ever be so careless with their positions if they actually were that position. The final point of interest in this post is a corollary to the first clause. I'd call the technique 'martyrdom' because the poster professes to not mind dying if only to prove a point to all the noobs in this game. Of course, there are a mix of veterans and noobs here, and of course, the poster is playing to win. But by offering himself up for sacrifice, the poster knows full well that we will not pick such low hanging fruit. The post then, protects the poster by doing the exact opposite of what you might expect, by actually encouraging critics of the poster. Be wary of these. Positive-emotion trading aside, I'd also like to point out that we should be wary of you for kindly analyzing the thought process behind this post. I'm glad we can all be intellectual here.
I'm glad you can also see it that way as well. ^_^
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Omg, I am so stupid, I accidently edited my last post.... dammit. The edit starts on the fourth sentence... Sorry about that..
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On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:
Quick what are you saying? It is these kinds of unclear lines of reasoning where you don't specifically lay out your argument that are suggestive of purposefully creating confusion amongst the townies.
You mention me by name, why? am i more likely to be a mafia because of that clue than any of the other people with blank profiles, Does my editing and explaining why afterwards make me more likely to be mafia?
Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why.
That leaves me with possibilites then, you are annoyed that I have openly stated that i find you very suspicious and a possible mafia and in light of this have decided to name me as a kind of "i know you are but what am i" kind of defence. Of course you could have this reaction if you are a townie and upset about having suspicion cast on you this early because obviously no-one wants to die but for the record, with every post you make I consider you more and more red.
Also you and cresentia seem exceptionally like minded and supportive of each other and as such if one of you is red i would be inclined to believe the other one is as well.
But anyway my main point is this, I have provided clear reasons as for why I have named you as a suspicious person. Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have.
I never said you were mafia nor was I suspicious of you. However, I did imply the fact that you broke one of the rules of not to edit profiles in which you did and I was merely pointing that out for future references. Please do not misunderstand me.
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Another thing I would like to add is I was only supportive of cresentia and the few others posting here at the point because THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO ARE ACTIVE RIGHT NOW making actual suggestions and comments. I mean out of all the 34 players in this game, I only see at most 5 people active... where the hell are the other 29 people?
Is that better of an explosive anger? Because it was.
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Let's also look at it this way. There has yet to be a single vote on toward the voting thread of THIS mafia game compared to the other mafia voting thread that has 22 comments contrast to 2 comments on our game. Why do you think I am angry right now regarding of lack of activeness of this one compared to other?
I mentioned it again and again, I want this game to move quicker like the other game. Maybe not as equally quick but come on, why should I be the only one making like 50% of the posts of this game?
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I agree with the above post where SagaZ states where the mayor choose the least active person. However, that is if the main public and majority of us wishes to as the mayor should take the will of the people. The mayor gets 3 votes contrast to 1 each of us, so if anything, the mayor must first take trust upon us or else we might even end up in a situation where the town became suspicious of the mayor for being the mafia (which is quite possible). The only problem right now is the lack of candidates as we only have like 2, and also the lack of activeness in this game where the main voices of this game at the moment are the minority...
On January 21 2010 03:03 SagaZ wrote:
Also, when some1 die, do we get to know his role?
Yes, the OP will give a juicy description of how he dies....... very juicy if it was by the town/mayor... ^_^
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On January 21 2010 06:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
Our Mafia game is so inactive compared to the other one, its a shame rlly. we're superior
GO BACK TO YOUR OWN MAFIA TOWN!!! THIS IS OURS!!!
But yea... not so active even now.... sighs... Guess we'll wait a day or two...
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On January 21 2010 08:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
O_o we haven't started yet right?
Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/
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On January 21 2010 08:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 08:17 QuickStriker wrote:On January 21 2010 08:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
O_o we haven't started yet right? Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/ Well I posted in the voting thread already since I couldn't find it till now ._.
Hmm... well welcome!!! Glad to have at least one more active member of our little town.... it seems the mafias have put some poison gas or some sort of gas which is why everyone is silent or sleeping right now.... o.O
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On January 21 2010 08:32 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 03:21 SagaZ wrote:
So who would you choose to be mafia? a guy without any info in his content so you will have to make clues entirely based on his name? Or the guy with the profile with the one you're able to make very smart clues that will make people go :O bisu mode.
I like this, and not just because I don't have anything in my profile ;p but that said, I think the clues are the most important for the detectives to make choices about who to role check, obviously its going to be hard to be sure about what the clues are, and what they mean, so they aren't really grounds for lynching someone. What people actually post is far more important
Hmm... that's true. I might as well make a comment about this. Since the first vote for mayor is MANDATORY, I would prefer if the mayor chooses someone who is inactive or someone who we definitely know is mafia at this moment. However, the problem is, we don't know who the mafia is, the clues are a bit vague, and the inactive people will get mod-kill anyway if they don't show up. So basically, not only do we have to think carefully who to send up to the hanging rope first, but also what sort of decision and thoughts the mayor will make to come to this manner. Afterall, he is our leader. After that, since we won't have much definite clues, I should suggest to wait like 2 days... though 6 deaths is a bit much to spend in order to get closer... but for the good cause?
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Well, those posts were some pages ago and accusations are normal at this point of the stage like these. The clues are a bit vague, the people are half or semi-half filled, and the town itself is shown as a laid back lazy town without a proper order. That is the vision I have from this countryside small populated of 34 people town. Of course, the town across from the street is heavily industrialized, the people are well educated, and the newly formed factions are performing their cases to become the mayor of that town (aka the other mafia game). And yet, here we are.... wondering what we have done to ourselves the past 24 hours....
But all in seriously, it's possible he can be a mafia but he accused me after the game started actually. Since the first bells of day started on page 4, perhaps taking a look there first is ideal. I do not know who is mafia nor anyone else does except for the mafias themselves of course. But what I do know is this, I am certain at least one of the 7 mafia will pave way to try to be a MAFIA MAYOR. And that my friends, we must prevent and stop from happening!
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On January 21 2010 08:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
hasn't* jesus, this editing rule is killing me.
I know, I made 3 mistakes already.... it's a habit of editing due to my constant grammar mistakes... =/
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I like your way of thinking and campaigning laaan. Much better and organized from other candidates, going from straight to the point and reasons. I would like for all the other candidates to follow this example and give their own determination, statement, and most importantly, their methods/thinking in order to be elected. Props to you laaan for taking the real initiative!
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