Incognito's TL Mafia XVI

On January 22 2010 01:57 citi.zen wrote:
Lynching someone is:

a. mandatory under the rules; and
b. meant to reveal to us information we previously did not have, to help test theories, people and alliances.

Don't waste it with random killings.

Ng5 wrote:
Something for everyone who are hesitating or thinking between flamewheel91 and kane]deth[.

Mystlord wrote:
As for the double lynch, I still don't think we should use it just yet. I don't see the need to use it until we get at least 1 mafia.

On January 25 2010 02:28 meeple wrote:
There are plenty of people who still haven't voted... mine isn't the only one that counts

On January 25 2010 02:47 Mystlord wrote:

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm working on a Utilitarian basis here. Think about it. We need to bring Mafia down to 4 players to reduce them to 2 KP. They're at 7 right now. The double lynch is designed to effectively eliminate 2 Mafia members when the Townies are almost certain of two identities of two Mafia members. It's not supposed to be used as a random guessing tool. We should at least wait for more clues and a Mafia lynch that could swing us in one direction or another before using the double lynch.

On January 25 2010 07:18 Jugan wrote:


only if you're hellbent on convicting flameguy

On January 26 2010 02:22 Phrujbaz wrote:
I remember somebody arguing (ng5?) that it doesn't matter if we could reduce kill power with double lynch or not. If we need to kill three Mafia, it doesn't matter if we first kill two and then one or if we kill one first and then two. I think that logic is wrong.

First you have to remember that our double lynches are limited. That alone means we should only use one if we really think we can lynch two Mafia. Furthermore, there is always the risk of lynching two innocents. If we cannot reduce kill power right away it doesn't make sense to use double lynch already. We don't lose anything by waiting a day in that case. And we gain more information, leading to better informed lynches.

We NEVER gain anything by using double lynch on a day where even killing two Mafia wouldn't reduce kill power.

What does complicate things is that we cannot vote double lynch into place for today's lynch. It's always for the day after. So we have to think ahead a little. If we have a 100% confirmed Mafia, then we know that tomorrow there will be one less Mafia. That means we might want to use double lynch tomorrow, which means we have to vote for it today.

When would we have such a situation? I think we need three Mafia suspects, at least one of which is very solid. We lynch the solid Mafia today, vote for double lynch, and have the potential to kill two more Mafia the next day (we'd even have more clues than we do today).

I don't think we should use double lynch yet. I don't know how you guys are feeling but I'm not very confident in anyone being Mafia. AT ALL

On January 26 2010 03:25 789 wrote:


I agree with you in the fact that it doesn't matter which order we take the mafia down, if we have 2 suspects to take down we do it - even if it doesn't reduce their KP. It seems that you, now correct me if I'm wrong, are ignoring the possibility that we won't have 2 mafia to lynch. You are one of the biggest supporters of using the double lynches asap, but you even abstained from voting in this last lynch. It seems that you don't think there are mafia we have figured out to lynch either, but still push for the double lynch. So, who would be the 2 people you would have suggested double lynching tomorrow (I know we don't have day 3 clues yet). You should have at least 1 in mind if you're going to push for it so hard.

With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises. Incognito was the quickest to react, and ran toward the corner of the room containing the refrigerator opening it to use the door as a shield. Unfortunately, the killer took advantage of the opportunity and kicked Incognito into the refrigerator and slammed the door shut, locking him into the cold. Glancing back, he noticed Kennigit rushing at him with a knife he found in the kitchen drawer. The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.

The second Mafia member glared at Qatol in disgust and contempt. "Vile, dirty scum," he muttered, shuddering. He pulled out a thin knife and ran forward to stab Qatol in the chest. As Qatol lay dying, his lifeblood seeping from his wound, his killer carefully dragged the body into the closet, making sure to clean up the pool of blood on the floor.

On January 27 2010 05:14 flamewheel91 wrote:


Third night clue--death by poisonous mist. Mystlord himself says the killer (who takes off his scarf) seems impervious to it. Just something to say.

Okay back to game theory.

Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death.

Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life.

Meanwhile, long after his fellow townspeople had left, Abenson lingered at the site of the lynching to ponder the unsettling recent events affecting Liquidia. He was so deep in his reflections that it took him a while to become aware of a presence beside him, also contemplating the empty gallows. He turned to face his fellow observer and cleared his throat. "Sad, isn't it?" he ventured.

"Yes," the man responded. "Many men will die here, before all this is done. One of them will be you."

As the words filtered through Abenson's brain, he blinked in sudden, terrible comprehension and turned to run. But the other man was unfazed; he simply reached out and grabbed a handful of Abenson's shirt with a powerful grip, preventing him from getting anywhere. Before the thwarted Abenson could break free or lash out, his attacker drove his knee hard into Abenson's groin, causing him to double over in agony. With a few quick punches and kicks, Abenson was left mangled before his attacker left the lynch site as quietly as he had come.

Presently, 789 thought he saw something strange off in the distance and drifted away from the group to investigate. He couldn't be sure, but he thought it looked like a ghostly figure stalking past the rows of gravestones. As he stumbled forward in the darkening cemetery, he saw how it ducked in and out of the shadows, moving quickly and stealthily enough that he could never make out what exactly it was. The figure crept furtively toward him, occasionally pausing to sniff at the flowers left on people's graves and examine them with great curiosity before continuing forward. Intrigued, 789 leaned forward to get a better look. To his astonishment, the figure returned his gaze with an expression of haughty disdain. 789 was even more astonished when the figure leapt upward and struck at him, sending darts of sharp pain across his face. He lost his balance and fell, and the figure immediately seized the opportunity, slashing his throat to ribbons and leaving 789 to bleed to death.

Hearing the commotion when 789 fell to the ground, Zona followed after him to check that everything was all right. He gasped in horror when he came upon the bloodstained corpse of 789 stretched out on the grass. He knelt over the body, trying to ascertain the cause of death. The grass beneath his knees felt surprisingly wet, soaking through his jeans, and Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere. Silently bending down, the man ended Zona's breathing problems for him by taking off the scarf and looping it around his neck tightly, cutting off his windpipe until he breathed no more.

Left by himself, Faronel was starting to feel nervous as he saw his comrades leaving one by one and not returning. "Guys?" he called, sounding torn between trying to keep his voice down and wanting it to carry. "Where are you?" Nothing answered him but the faint rustle of the grass. Unnerved by the eerie appearance of the cemetery at night, Faronel decided that he should leave. He had only gone a few steps, however, when someone tapped on his shoulder. Automatically, he turned to look and saw a large fist descending toward his head. He barely dodged out of the way in time. His attacker let out a loud, barbaric bellow and charged at him. Backing quickly toward the cemetery gates, Faronel tried to fend him off as best he could. But he wasn't nearly strong enough to fight off his attacker, who picked him up bodily and smashed his head repeatedly against a gravestone until he died. Dropping his limp body to the ground, his attacker then pawed through Faronel's pockets, searching for food, before he trudged off into the night.

On January 27 2010 08:26 meeple wrote:


Well... there's not really all that much to defend for this, since the link is basically fabricated. For that matter... I have no idea how someone would suspect Mystlord for this clue over the clue actually containing fog/mist. In my quote, there's nothing barbaric about it (something that's been mentioned twice now)... Swift feet usually involve running instead of kicking, and the quote isn't even close to being taunting, In fact when I wrote it I imagined what I would say to "the troops" to lift their spirits.

On January 27 2010 08:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it's pretty clearly barbaric

On January 27 2010 09:14 ghote wrote:

well something in me wants to point this at flamewheel, so ill try my best to do it. the thick air could be a reference to China's air quality, and seeing as how mr. flamewheel has a picture of a chinese man for his profile, this could be linked, seeing as it says that the man looked "perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere". also the scarf could be tied to the flag the man in his picture is carrying, although in the picture the man is holding it above his head, not over his face.

just some food for thought

On January 27 2010 09:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Or the tiger in hobbes. I really don't see a good reason to suspect Jayme over hobbes.

And I see no reason to suspect anyone over keit.

On January 22 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Has anyone considered the whole possibility that the mafia doesn't even have a candidate?

We've been going on this whole shitstorm assuming someone running for office is red.

The mafia could see that and just think "well wouldn't it really fuck with them if none of us ran? They'll tear each other apart and probably end up lynching their elected candidates"

That's kind what is happening too.

On January 22 2010 03:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Right. I'm just proposing the possibility, we should consider everything before jumping to conclusions.

Personally, I think it's likely that at least one of the candidates is mafia. Which includes:

Myself
t_co
Meeple
citi.zen
Nikoner
Ng5

On January 27 2010 09:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There are no holes in my reasoning and that isn't even an example of me changing my opinion. I do feel that it is likely one of the initial candidates is mafia, but I also thought it was necessary to bring up the possibility that none of them are mafia since it was the entire reason t_co was going batshit and pointing fingers. His entire reasoning was retarded, that me and meeple are both running and we agreed about a clue, therefore we are both mafia.

That has nothing to do with what we are discussing now.

What do the other two quotes have to do with the first one anyway? lol

On January 27 2010 06:45 Ng5 wrote:


Wait a minute...

I don't know much about wrestling, but... Someone could look into it. A wrestler! It's usual in wrestling to grab the other's face trying to hit them to solid objects, no? Or some kind of modern-age gladiator 'reality show'? There was also one with... Bucket heads and blunt objects trying to push each other off of planks into water, no? It could fit the... Geez.

It could fit the PAIL! There was this gladiator or what show. They had bucket-helmets like those from rugby and they tried to kick each other off of planks (pails) into water or nets or whatever.

And then there's the wrestler thing. It could be two mafia members, but both worth researching I think.

With keywords like... Sledgehammer... Barbaric... Or animalistic?

Again it takes a lot of strength to grab someone by the head...

Wait... I just google image findered Mystlord and what did it drop right off the bat?

Mystlord

Hammer.

Bucket helm.

Even if the post wasn't made by a user called Mystlord. It was dropped to a Mystlord search.

On January 28 2010 08:19 Nikoner wrote:
OK, to me it seems that the case against Dr. Helvetica is fairly closed by the majority.

However, with our apparent less than stellar clue interpretation so far, I do not feel like the double lynch is warranted yet, unless you guys are 100% sure that with tomorrow's clues we will be able to find out a mafia person.

On January 27 2010 09:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Back your shit up instead of making arrogant jokes and acting like you know something everyone doesn't.

On January 28 2010 12:02 meeple wrote:
You were pretty clearly sarcastic and arrogant.

On January 28 2010 12:17 flamewheel91 wrote:
Wait, 3?
Funny how much difference one event can make, eh?

On January 28 2010 12:30 Nikoner wrote:


Yeah, but we'd be behind if we get a mafioso and a townie instead of just 1 mafioso.

On January 29 2010 11:08 CynanMachae wrote:
Was fun, gl town

On January 30 2010 02:10 meeple wrote:


Will you be streaming?

On February 01 2010 14:35 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:


Thank you.