EPTOn February 01 2010 12:39 citi.zen wrote:
Yes, poor Hobbes, this post was awesome:
Yes, poor Hobbes, this post was awesome:
Thank you.
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[NyC]HoBbes
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Jugan
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On February 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Basically, what I wanted to do was use my position as sheriff to gain the trust of the town while pushing suspicion on to t_co/meeple/hobbes. I was not pleased that t_co was lynched the first day, because that may have made me look a bit divisive. Killing BM the first day was also a mistake. By leaving him alive, he would have trusted me more and I could have networked even more blues through him. Then the mafia could start hitting blues in groups and the town would probably suspect me but it would probably be something I could argue my way out of. I immediately regretted posting "a DT roleclaimed to me", at the time I wasn't planning to hit BM but I changed my mind stupidly. By saying a DT roleclaimed to me and then a DT dies the next day, is pretty incriminating. I actually think the biggest thing that hurt the mafia was bill murrays after death post, confirming citi.zen as green. That gave the blues an alternative way to network, through citi.zen, that cost us the game as I lost his trust. I felt like citi.zens trust in me started slipping fast after Bill Murray was killed, and obviously that was the case. Our plan was to get the town to use a double lynch asap and to get them to knock off hobbes and flamewheel. By getting the town to waste their double lynches, the mafia could last longer and once the mafia are just under 50% of the town our plan was to all vote the same way and for me to manipulate Jugan, who trusted me quite blindly, into wasting his vote. This way, no matter what happened in the thread, there was nothing that the town could do to change the results of the lynches. keit pointing his finger at me out of the blue was a shock to the rest of the mafia. However, I pushed way too aggressively for his lynching and it made me seem inconsistent. I panicked and made a bad decision, although keit really shouldn't have done that :x Your biggest mistake was leaving me alive. Bill also confided in me... You gave me enough time to convince meeples, hobbes, flamewheel, and several other people you were mafia. I brought it up to citi.zen too, but he wasn't too receptive to the idea at the time and accused me of being mafia (as I begun my work behind the scenes after you murdered Bill). I knew exactly who Bill had confided in... your actions (via posts) were all too obvious to me: I could read right through them, given the information I held. I picked out most of your mafia too, but I didn't want to move too rashly in case you decided to off me  I had suspected Mystlord from the beginning, and I deduced that keit was mafia through the series of PM exchanges with him. I don't know if he told you about those or not. However, I was wrong in thinking tredmasta was mafia. I made 5 out of 7 correct guesses on the mafia. Well played | ||
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[NyC]HoBbes
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On February 01 2010 16:07 Jugan wrote: Your biggest mistake was leaving me alive. Bill also confided in me... You gave me enough time to convince meeples, hobbes, flamewheel, and several other people you were mafia. I brought it up to citi.zen too, but he wasn't too receptive to the idea at the time and accused me of being mafia (as I begun my work behind the scenes after you murdered Bill). I knew exactly who Bill had confided in... your actions (via posts) were all too obvious to me: I could read right through them, given the information I held. I picked out most of your mafia too, but I didn't want to move too rashly in case you decided to off me I had suspected Mystlord from the beginning, and I deduced that keit was mafia through the series of PM exchanges with him. I don't know if he told you about those or not. However, I was wrong in thinking tredmasta was mafia. I made 5 out of 7 correct guesses on the mafia. Well played Wait, did you just take personal credit for every good thing the town did this game? You really did, didn't you. Yes, yes you did. Oh lord. | ||
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Ace
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
On February 01 2010 17:20 Ace wrote: just another game that shows why you shouldn't talk to anyone through PMs ever. Why not? Talk to me Ace, talk to me.. via pm please.. | ||
flamewheel
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On February 01 2010 16:24 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Wait, did you just take personal credit for every good thing the town did this game? You really did, didn't you. Yes, yes you did. Oh lord. Dude, he totally just did. Man he's such a pro. Clearly the game was lost without his constant snarking. | ||
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ohN
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I regret not posting more but it was still fun watching people argue and wondering who was going to die next. | ||
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Nikon
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Ng5
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I really loved that post, too. I think I'm even gonna save it to my quote collection. Anyway. GG people, was a very nice game at the perfect time. I'm not sure about a re, though. It was utterly fun. The clues and general texts were nicely done, so big props to our hosts Incognito and Dreamflower! | ||
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citi.zen
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Zona
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Day 2 the medics would be thinking "hey we protected the actives but that didn't do anything" and thus would choose someone else and the mafia was thinking one level deeper that the medics were thinking that. But looking at the night actions I guess I just wasn't active enough on day 2. The MSL finals really put me on tilt and soured me to TL in general for that time. Since you guys say the mafia wasn't working that well as a team, who was submitting the kills? Good calls by citi.zen, I'm astounded how accurate you were and especially how confident you were. I wasn't close to as confident as you on the guilt of DrH and Mystlord, and I wasn't that suspicious of the others on your list. I was incredibly suspicious of DrH because of his lack of stated suspicion of the other elected officials such as meeple, which I thought was a way of deflecting suspicion from other elected officials (like himself). His revealing of a DT contacting him was another thing that really raised my suspicions as well. Cynan has my reasoning when I threw everything I thought of the game at him after he revealed he was a DT to me, but the gist of it is that a town mayor shouldn't automatically trust the contact (since the DT was claiming to the mayor without revealing the mayor's role, which would be a way of verifying the DT's authenticity), and if the DT was real, the DT shouldn't have contacted the Mayor anyways, as the Mayor's alignment was unknown. I don't think it was a wise decision on Bill's part. The third reason why DrH struck me as mafia was that he selectively ignored certain clue discussions on the town part. It might have been better to acknowledge them as probably but "not strong", then later when your posts are examined this entire "blank" (so to speak) in your posts wouldn't stick out so much. Mystlord's support of DrH without much stated reasoning was what made me suspicious of him. When citi.zen asked me "[DrH] trusts you a lot [to be telling you the DT check of citi.zen], is the feeling mutual?" I first was wary that you were mafia with DrH as I thought that was a rather odd question to ask, to feel me out if I was really suspicious of DrH. So I thought if you were mafia, I'd like you guys to think I wasn't too suspicious of DrH and thus get rid of me early on, although I ended up dying the next night anyways. I ended up trying to feel out a lot of other people in regards to how they felt about DrH to see if I could get support that way to get rid of him. Still, that turned out well, I suppose, as DrH's odd actions on citi.zen backfired a lot. In general I don't think the mayor/sheriff roles benefit the town (by the very existence of the roles) more than the mafia, as the inability to be rolechecked and the ability to avoid nightkills early on are very good cover for mafia, but less beneficial to town-aligned elected officials, as the REST of the town cannot necessarily believe that the elected officials are truly town. The only town position to truly benefit from the mayor/sheriff roles would be the DT - if the DT became an elected official and found a mafia early by role/cluecheck, then claiming or heavily pushing a mafia for lynch would help establish his townie or DT credentials, then both the DT and the rest of the town would benefit from an elected DT. Although I do think DrH played fairly well, I don't think he used the Mayor position to his maximum advantage, especially since he garnered suspicion so quickly. | ||
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[NyC]HoBbes
United States803 Posts
On February 01 2010 17:34 flamewheel91 wrote: Dude, he totally just did. Man he's such a pro. Clearly the game was lost without his constant snarking. No, no, it was his brilliant use of reverse psychology to tell us all that there was NO WAY Mystlord was mafia, which was clearly a clever ploy to alert all of us to his guilt. Also, his complete lack of accusations of DoctorHelvetica, clearly showing us that if a player we all respected as much as Jugan was so conspicuously silent on an issue, there MUST be something we should all gather from the situation. Truly, without his brilliant random personal attacks on myself and citizen, the town never would have rallied together against the mafia he so prudently didn't suggest. Thank you, Jugan for saving all of our lives. You have a special place in my heart. | ||
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Zona
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Qatol
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On February 01 2010 22:40 Zona wrote: In general I don't think the mayor/sheriff roles benefit the town (by the very existence of the roles) more than the mafia, as the inability to be rolechecked and the ability to avoid nightkills early on are very good cover for mafia, but less beneficial to town-aligned elected officials, as the REST of the town cannot necessarily believe that the elected officials are truly town. The only town position to truly benefit from the mayor/sheriff roles would be the DT - if the DT became an elected official and found a mafia early by role/cluecheck, then claiming or heavily pushing a mafia for lynch would help establish his townie or DT credentials, then both the DT and the rest of the town would benefit from an elected DT. I think you're overlooking the real reason the elected roles are in the game: to promote discussion early on, specifically on day 1. At that point, there are no night kills to analyze and the day 1 clues are generally pretty close to impossible to figure out on their own (props, Cynan). And because more posting forces the mafia to be active, I argue that the election itself is the perk for the town. Though I agree that the mafia get more use out of the roles themselves than the town does. Also, any blue role except for Vet is pretty good when elected, my favorite is Vigilante. This is because the Vigi can call out their hit prior to making it so the hit confirms their innocence. Then you have a confirmed innocent official. Very powerful. | ||
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Zona
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And actually the mist/Mystlord difference I think was a fair twist of interpretation so the clue wouldn't be immediately obvious to the town, although in the end the sum of evidence against you didn't help things. | ||
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[NyC]HoBbes
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On February 01 2010 22:54 Qatol wrote: I think you're overlooking the real reason the elected roles are in the game: to promote discussion early on, specifically on day 1. At that point, there are no night kills to analyze and the day 1 clues are generally pretty close to impossible to figure out on their own (props, Cynan). And because more posting forces the mafia to be active, I argue that the election itself is the perk for the town. Though I agree that the mafia get more use out of the roles themselves than the town does. Even if they are of more use to the mafia, they make the game a lot more interesting, and that's never a bad thing. | ||
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Qatol
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On February 01 2010 22:56 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Even if they are of more use to the mafia, they make the game a lot more interesting, and that's never a bad thing. Yep. Exactly. | ||
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Zona
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I did to some extent mirror his "lynch the elected officials" sentiment, but his subsequent jumping around in his arguments really soured my view of him. I still did feel early on when he was posting a lot it would be helpful to the town, but eventually it degenerated which was much less helpful. | ||
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