Incognito's TL Mafia XVI - Page 6

Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere.

On January 26 2010 22:52 citi.zen wrote:
what do we make of this:

Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere.

On January 27 2010 06:45 Ng5 wrote:


Wait a minute...

I don't know much about wrestling, but... Someone could look into it. A wrestler! It's usual in wrestling to grab the other's face trying to hit them to solid objects, no? Or some kind of modern-age gladiator 'reality show'? There was also one with... Bucket heads and blunt objects trying to push each other off of planks into water, no? It could fit the... Geez.

It could fit the PAIL! There was this gladiator or what show. They had bucket-helmets like those from rugby and they tried to kick each other off of planks (pails) into water or nets or whatever.

And then there's the wrestler thing. It could be two mafia members, but both worth researching I think.

With keywords like... Sledgehammer... Barbaric... Or animalistic?

Again it takes a lot of strength to grab someone by the head...

Wait... I just google image findered Mystlord and what did it drop right off the bat?

Mystlord

Hammer.

Bucket helm.

Even if the post wasn't made by a user called Mystlord. It was dropped to a Mystlord search.

Original Message:

I can post my PM conversation with Zona if you'd like. Something like that would be pretty hard to fake.

Also, keit has strong clues from day 1 connecting to him, has been mostly inactive, and just popped in the thread out of nowhere: not to defend himself, but to point his finger at me.

That screams mafia to me.

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Original Message:
Right, I think night two I am a prime target for a mafia hit, thanks to that postmortem post.

In the end I would love to think you just made an error and took a chance. However, if your communication with Zona (and maybe others?) was deliberate/mafia, nobody will pick-up on that once I get killed. Once again, I wish there was a safe I could lock information in and make it available if I die, just so it does not get lost.

Anyway... why keit?

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Original Message:
That's a fair point. However, killing someone who is confirmed to the entire town as green, because of Bill Murrays post-death post, they might suspect other blues will network through you and hit you for that reason.

Once medics start dying, I'm guessing you'll be a prime suspect.

That being said, I won't ask you to trust me, but I would ask you to reconsider pushing for my lynch. At the very least, I'll submit to you keit is a better and more sure target for the town as of now.
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Original Message:

Again, I think this is wrong: yes, I would have made a good target IF THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO THE DETECTIVE WAS. If they did know, they could sever that trust/information link by just killing him. This is what happened, so I became rather useless. Now, Bill did post after death that I was green, but this should not have happened - it was a violation of the rules. In principle I should have been useless to the town at that point, who cares if I claimed to be green, nobody would have believed me, exactly as the mafia would have intended it. And they could use another hit on someone else with a chance of hitting a blue.

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Original Message:
I suppose that is true. However, you were not hit. You certainly would have made a better target than Abenson if the mafia had reason to suspect you were co ordinating with blues.

Although I do admit it was something I shouldn't have done, I guess I was a bit too trusting there. We're probably both suspicious to the town at this time, since we are the only two people who 100% knew BM was a detective.

That being said, I find it strange you're voting for my lynching on those grounds.
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Original Message:
Its not important if the mafia knows I'm green - that is true.

It IS however important if he knows other greens/blues know it too, because then they would want to stop any coordination and/or information flow. The best situation for the mafia is when greens/blues know nothing and suspect everyone. So if the mafia knows I a in contact with a blue, even if they don't know who the blue is, it DOES make me a target. By killing me they can sever that link and annul any role-check advantage.

So I continue to be puzzled as to why you chose to make that information known to someone who was not role-checked.

Of course, I guess if it was an honest mistake, there is no way to argue /defend it, it just happened.

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Original Message:
hm? I didn't talk to zona much. like I said before, whether or not he knows your green isn't a big deal.
I never told him Bill Murray was the detective or anything like that.

From the way he posts and the way he talked to me, I'm pretty sure he is pro-town, i can't be 100% certain and that is why I didn't reveal any information that would be critical to mafia lynching decisions.
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Original Message:
The thing I still don't get is why you decided to trust Zona without any proof whatsoever.

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Original Message:
I've posted in defense of myself multiple times.

I'd think people would think again before moving to lynch the most active townie, but I suppose not. The mafia really hurt me by killing Bill Murray, even though it was easily detectable that he was a blue from his public posts :/
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Original Message:
There is a growing movement to lynch you next. I would really love to hear your side of things and believe you are green/blue.

Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere.

On January 27 2010 12:47 Mystlord wrote:
It's a fair case to lynch DH, but we HAVE to consider the possibility that the DT who clue checked DH is mafia. Earlier, we saw a fair case to lynch DH based off of the thin knife clue brought up by keit, but it never gained traction considering how much steam the kane]deth[ idea had. At this point, a mafia member could have thought to sow the seeds of confusion and make a plot to lynch DH.

At this point, the fact of the matter is that either keit or DoctorHelvetica is innocent. One is absolutely a townie, because we cannot have two people making such great pushes for each other to be lynched as both mafia. Therefore, the possible combinations are: mafia vs townie and townie vs townie. I personally highly doubt a townie vs townie situation because of the fact that by lynching the other, the person pushing for the lynch will almost certainly appear innocent. Therefore, I believe that we have a mafia vs townie situation.

In that line of thinking, confirming the identity of one will confirm the identity of the other. By lynching DH, we'll know keit's true colors, and by lynching keit, we'll know DH's true colors. Therefore, the question now becomes who to lynch?

My personal vote is for keit. Here's my reasoning:

If we lynch DoctorHelvetica, we lose a vital power that will almost certainly confirm whether a person is mafia or not, as well as protect a vital blue or townie (if things get that desperate). Therefore, in this situation, where we're unsure as to the guilt or innocence of either player, we have to make the decision to try and save our powers as best as possible, especially considering the fact that we have lynched no mafia. Therefore, we have a lot more to lose from lynching DoctorHelvetica and finding out that he's green/blue, versus lynching keit and finding out that he's green/blue.

One final point on this. We have to realize that at this point, we for sure for sure have at least two clues on one mafia member. We have 8 clues for 7 mafia, so we're looking for repeating themes. If there's one repeating theme that I've seen, it's almost certainly referring to the cookie monster. Whether it's the apple shoving down the throat from day 1, or the barbarous nature of either the 2nd or 3rd attack from day 2, we've seen a lot more evidence pointing to keit than to DH. Therefore, I again emphasize my vote to lynch keit.

On January 27 2010 13:23 Mystlord wrote:

I still don't see the reasoning behind the fact that keit brought up the clue reference in the first place. If it wasn't for him, DoctorHelvetica would never have been accused. Why would a mafia initiate the charges against DH? It would make sense if DH was already under heavy suspicion and keit become the primary advocate of lynching DH and brought up that clue reference, but that isn't the case here.

However, I do see your point. I still feel that if we lose the incarceration power, we're in some deep shit.

@citi.zen: Yes, I could tell that you would vote to lynch me if DoctorHelvetica flipped red. I know that you won't believe me when I say that my argument is in favor of the town, but it is. Regardless of whether or not you agree, I'd at least like for you to respond to my argument rather than merely brush it off as an attempt to save my own skin. I acknowledge that DoctorHelvetica might be guilty, but I fear rushing into lynching an important townie much more.

Wait a second... If the Sheriff gets lynched, do we have another election to vote for a new Sheriff to replace DH? If so, then my argument is moot.