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On January 27 2010 14:23 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 14:09 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On January 27 2010 14:06 Mystlord wrote:So you're going to lynch based on the fact that my name is "close enough" to the word "mist"? I cannot see the logical connection that you're making there. This is what my name is actually referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MystI'm posting that link because it seems that people are stymied as to an alternative interpretation of the first half of my name. 1. We're not lynching you right now, we are possibly lynching you in the future, mainly based on your posts relative to DoctorHelvetica. 2. The clues are not based on your interpretation of your username, but on the person creating the clues' interpretation of your username. 1. Fair enough, I'm just posting this here to let you know this for the future. 2. Also fair, but Myst is (was) a fairly popular game, so I wouldn't be surprised if the cluemakers knew of it. In fact, I would definitely not say that they would interpret my name as such if they cannot figure out what it means. I only ask that you not be so closed-minded and at least recognize the fact that there's a possibility that I'm a townie. In fact, if a DT is free tonight, I would consider it logical to clue check the 2nd killing. You might consider it a selfish act, but feel free to not clue check it if you have more pressing concerns.
First, no one ever said you were certainly mafia. People have said that if DrH is mafia, it is likely that you are mafia, which is very different from saying that we know you're mafia no matter what.
Secondly, we need to lynch DrH to find out if we have a reliable DT, as has been said many times in previous posts.
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T-minus four hours til judgement day
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Hyperbola has been inactive the entire game, losing him wouldn't really be a problem even if he was green. If he is blue and laying low, he can go to citizen, who is proven not mafia, and explain the situation.
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On January 29 2010 03:21 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 03:17 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Hyperbola has been inactive the entire game, losing him wouldn't really be a problem even if he was green. If he is blue and laying low, he can go to citizen, who is proven not mafia, and explain the situation. Yeah except that 1) citizen is fucking nuts and won't even listen at all. 2) If he is "inactive"... there are better targets. If he is "laying low"... there are better targets. [insert bad excuse to lynch hyperbola here]... there are better targets.
saying citizen is fucking nuts would be a much better argument if he hadn't just killed the ringleader of the mafia. maybe a little overzealous at this point, but he's a valuable asset as the only proven innocent player
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On January 29 2010 03:26 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 03:22 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On January 29 2010 03:21 Jugan wrote:On January 29 2010 03:17 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Hyperbola has been inactive the entire game, losing him wouldn't really be a problem even if he was green. If he is blue and laying low, he can go to citizen, who is proven not mafia, and explain the situation. Yeah except that 1) citizen is fucking nuts and won't even listen at all. 2) If he is "inactive"... there are better targets. If he is "laying low"... there are better targets. [insert bad excuse to lynch hyperbola here]... there are better targets. saying citizen is fucking nuts would be a much better argument if he hadn't just killed the ringleader of the mafia. maybe a little overzealous at this point, but he's a valuable asset as the only proven innocent player Lol excuse me? He KILLED the ringleader? LOL that's a good fucking joke. HE did nothing.
He did nothing except bring up the idea of lynching him... that's really not a lot... and organize everyone to get DrH lynched... clearly thats nothing either. You've become rather abnormally hostile since DH died.
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On January 29 2010 10:05 Jugan wrote:
The sheep in this game are amazing.
Interesting from the guy who told me he wanted me to stay alive unless DoctorHelvetica said I should be killed
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On January 29 2010 11:05 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 10:04 Jugan wrote:On January 29 2010 06:08 CynanMachae wrote:
Jugan, do you have better suspects than those citi.zen pointed? Maybe he hasn't said it the most correct way but it does seems to me that they are likely mafia. Maybe? He hasn't said anything correct. Just look at his argument. It makes NO RATIONAL SENSE. Yeah, Mystlord wasn't even a little bit guilty. Damn sheep. And Donkey. And other farm animals.
four legs good, two legs bad
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all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..."
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Yeah, I figure people will actually start believing my pleas of innocence now that its been shown that my biggest accuser was mafia
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At this point i agree with lynching keit, not so sure about the second one though
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Are there any DT's left at this point?
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On January 31 2010 13:11 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 11:45 citi.zen wrote:
Sooo.... our shortlist for the last two:
Phrujbaz in pole-position for the first one
Jugan, derfboy... or a maybe for Nikoner
Should we use the vigilante on Phrujbaz and lynch jugan and derfboy next day? lynch me because you're an idiot.
at this point I'm totally OK with that idea
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just so you'll have to shut up
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true. shouldn't our next day be up?
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DrH, I do have to applaud you, one for having the balls to play a strategy like that and two for consequently making the game that much more interesting
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On February 01 2010 12:39 citi.zen wrote:Yes, poor Hobbes, this post was awesome: Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..."
Thank you. 
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On February 01 2010 16:07 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Basically, what I wanted to do was use my position as sheriff to gain the trust of the town while pushing suspicion on to t_co/meeple/hobbes. I was not pleased that t_co was lynched the first day, because that may have made me look a bit divisive.
Killing BM the first day was also a mistake. By leaving him alive, he would have trusted me more and I could have networked even more blues through him. Then the mafia could start hitting blues in groups and the town would probably suspect me but it would probably be something I could argue my way out of.
I immediately regretted posting "a DT roleclaimed to me", at the time I wasn't planning to hit BM but I changed my mind stupidly. By saying a DT roleclaimed to me and then a DT dies the next day, is pretty incriminating.
I actually think the biggest thing that hurt the mafia was bill murrays after death post, confirming citi.zen as green. That gave the blues an alternative way to network, through citi.zen, that cost us the game as I lost his trust. I felt like citi.zens trust in me started slipping fast after Bill Murray was killed, and obviously that was the case.
Our plan was to get the town to use a double lynch asap and to get them to knock off hobbes and flamewheel. By getting the town to waste their double lynches, the mafia could last longer and once the mafia are just under 50% of the town our plan was to all vote the same way and for me to manipulate Jugan, who trusted me quite blindly, into wasting his vote. This way, no matter what happened in the thread, there was nothing that the town could do to change the results of the lynches.
keit pointing his finger at me out of the blue was a shock to the rest of the mafia. However, I pushed way too aggressively for his lynching and it made me seem inconsistent. I panicked and made a bad decision, although keit really shouldn't have done that :x Your biggest mistake was leaving me alive. Bill also confided in me... You gave me enough time to convince meeples, hobbes, flamewheel, and several other people you were mafia. I brought it up to citi.zen too, but he wasn't too receptive to the idea at the time and accused me of being mafia (as I begun my work behind the scenes after you murdered Bill). I knew exactly who Bill had confided in... your actions (via posts) were all too obvious to me: I could read right through them, given the information I held. I picked out most of your mafia too, but I didn't want to move too rashly in case you decided to off me  I had suspected Mystlord from the beginning, and I deduced that keit was mafia through the series of PM exchanges with him. I don't know if he told you about those or not. However, I was wrong in thinking tredmasta was mafia. I made 5 out of 7 correct guesses on the mafia. Well played
Wait, did you just take personal credit for every good thing the town did this game? You really did, didn't you. Yes, yes you did. Oh lord.
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On February 01 2010 17:34 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2010 16:24 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On February 01 2010 16:07 Jugan wrote:On February 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Basically, what I wanted to do was use my position as sheriff to gain the trust of the town while pushing suspicion on to t_co/meeple/hobbes. I was not pleased that t_co was lynched the first day, because that may have made me look a bit divisive.
Killing BM the first day was also a mistake. By leaving him alive, he would have trusted me more and I could have networked even more blues through him. Then the mafia could start hitting blues in groups and the town would probably suspect me but it would probably be something I could argue my way out of.
I immediately regretted posting "a DT roleclaimed to me", at the time I wasn't planning to hit BM but I changed my mind stupidly. By saying a DT roleclaimed to me and then a DT dies the next day, is pretty incriminating.
I actually think the biggest thing that hurt the mafia was bill murrays after death post, confirming citi.zen as green. That gave the blues an alternative way to network, through citi.zen, that cost us the game as I lost his trust. I felt like citi.zens trust in me started slipping fast after Bill Murray was killed, and obviously that was the case.
Our plan was to get the town to use a double lynch asap and to get them to knock off hobbes and flamewheel. By getting the town to waste their double lynches, the mafia could last longer and once the mafia are just under 50% of the town our plan was to all vote the same way and for me to manipulate Jugan, who trusted me quite blindly, into wasting his vote. This way, no matter what happened in the thread, there was nothing that the town could do to change the results of the lynches.
keit pointing his finger at me out of the blue was a shock to the rest of the mafia. However, I pushed way too aggressively for his lynching and it made me seem inconsistent. I panicked and made a bad decision, although keit really shouldn't have done that :x Your biggest mistake was leaving me alive. Bill also confided in me... You gave me enough time to convince meeples, hobbes, flamewheel, and several other people you were mafia. I brought it up to citi.zen too, but he wasn't too receptive to the idea at the time and accused me of being mafia (as I begun my work behind the scenes after you murdered Bill). I knew exactly who Bill had confided in... your actions (via posts) were all too obvious to me: I could read right through them, given the information I held. I picked out most of your mafia too, but I didn't want to move too rashly in case you decided to off me I had suspected Mystlord from the beginning, and I deduced that keit was mafia through the series of PM exchanges with him. I don't know if he told you about those or not. However, I was wrong in thinking tredmasta was mafia. I made 5 out of 7 correct guesses on the mafia. Well played Wait, did you just take personal credit for every good thing the town did this game? You really did, didn't you. Yes, yes you did. Oh lord. Dude, he totally just did. Man he's such a pro. Clearly the game was lost without his constant snarking.
No, no, it was his brilliant use of reverse psychology to tell us all that there was NO WAY Mystlord was mafia, which was clearly a clever ploy to alert all of us to his guilt. Also, his complete lack of accusations of DoctorHelvetica, clearly showing us that if a player we all respected as much as Jugan was so conspicuously silent on an issue, there MUST be something we should all gather from the situation. Truly, without his brilliant random personal attacks on myself and citizen, the town never would have rallied together against the mafia he so prudently didn't suggest. Thank you, Jugan for saving all of our lives. You have a special place in my heart.
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On February 01 2010 22:54 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2010 22:40 Zona wrote:
In general I don't think the mayor/sheriff roles benefit the town (by the very existence of the roles) more than the mafia, as the inability to be rolechecked and the ability to avoid nightkills early on are very good cover for mafia, but less beneficial to town-aligned elected officials, as the REST of the town cannot necessarily believe that the elected officials are truly town. The only town position to truly benefit from the mayor/sheriff roles would be the DT - if the DT became an elected official and found a mafia early by role/cluecheck, then claiming or heavily pushing a mafia for lynch would help establish his townie or DT credentials, then both the DT and the rest of the town would benefit from an elected DT.
I think you're overlooking the real reason the elected roles are in the game: to promote discussion early on, specifically on day 1. At that point, there are no night kills to analyze and the day 1 clues are generally pretty close to impossible to figure out on their own (props, Cynan). And because more posting forces the mafia to be active, I argue that the election itself is the perk for the town. Though I agree that the mafia get more use out of the roles themselves than the town does.
Even if they are of more use to the mafia, they make the game a lot more interesting, and that's never a bad thing.
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