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Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 24 2010 22:34 GMT
#1197
On January 25 2010 07:18 Jugan wrote:
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On January 25 2010 07:16 Ng5 wrote:
And this is why knowing the distance of the runner could actually help.


only if you're hellbent on convicting flameguy


If you are hellbent on misinterpreting my posts...
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 25 2010 17:59 GMT
#1299
On January 26 2010 02:22 Phrujbaz wrote:
I remember somebody arguing (ng5?) that it doesn't matter if we could reduce kill power with double lynch or not. If we need to kill three Mafia, it doesn't matter if we first kill two and then one or if we kill one first and then two. I think that logic is wrong.

First you have to remember that our double lynches are limited. That alone means we should only use one if we really think we can lynch two Mafia. Furthermore, there is always the risk of lynching two innocents. If we cannot reduce kill power right away it doesn't make sense to use double lynch already. We don't lose anything by waiting a day in that case. And we gain more information, leading to better informed lynches.

We NEVER gain anything by using double lynch on a day where even killing two Mafia wouldn't reduce kill power.

What does complicate things is that we cannot vote double lynch into place for today's lynch. It's always for the day after. So we have to think ahead a little. If we have a 100% confirmed Mafia, then we know that tomorrow there will be one less Mafia. That means we might want to use double lynch tomorrow, which means we have to vote for it today.

When would we have such a situation? I think we need three Mafia suspects, at least one of which is very solid. We lynch the solid Mafia today, vote for double lynch, and have the potential to kill two more Mafia the next day (we'd even have more clues than we do today).

I don't think we should use double lynch yet. I don't know how you guys are feeling but I'm not very confident in anyone being Mafia. AT ALL


I also said that if maths and logic doesn't rub off on you I won't explain again, nor in more detail.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 18:33 GMT
#1366
On January 26 2010 03:25 789 wrote:
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On January 26 2010 02:59 Ng5 wrote:


I agree with you in the fact that it doesn't matter which order we take the mafia down, if we have 2 suspects to take down we do it - even if it doesn't reduce their KP. It seems that you, now correct me if I'm wrong, are ignoring the possibility that we won't have 2 mafia to lynch. You are one of the biggest supporters of using the double lynches asap, but you even abstained from voting in this last lynch. It seems that you don't think there are mafia we have figured out to lynch either, but still push for the double lynch. So, who would be the 2 people you would have suggested double lynching tomorrow (I know we don't have day 3 clues yet). You should have at least 1 in mind if you're going to push for it so hard.


There's no use of voting when the second day's lynching turned out to be still to random for my taste.

When it matters I will vote. If it was a double lynch today I would have voted.

But.

There's not much use to post too much under current circumstances. Other people are active enough, when I post I just give alternatives without stating opinion. I don't just guess around, and for me to make solid and clear statements I would like to be sure we are getting somewhere at least.

Killing two mafia would be getting somewhere, but yesterday I couldn't have convinced anyone to lynch the one I considered the most likely no matter what I had done. And that would have been only one mafia still.

Now go ahead and put the wet blanket on me for being cold and counting. I won't even defend myself, so you'll have an easier time.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 18:37 GMT
#1368
I know he is dead. I didn't reply to him. I replied in general.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 18:44 GMT
#1370
I changed my abstain to a vote for a short while to break a draw. When more votes came in I turned back to abstain. I didn't think he was red, but I planned to have more information from his lynching. The first days are about information gathering and pretty random unless we use a double lynch, in which case it can get a little more complicated and fun.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 18:50 GMT
#1372
I think there's a typo in the last night's post. They can't possibly mean sunday 9 pm till deadline. I think it was sunday 9 pm for mafia deadline for last night's killings, no?
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:03 GMT
#1376
Hi there, little boys and girls (#### ###!)
Today we're gonna to learn how to poison squirrels


I think tomorrow we should double lynch. If we don't we'll take at least three days to reduce kill power after which we would end up with ten townies and four mafia, which is pretty close. Not to mention we probably aren't going to score three out of three on our next guesses.

(Personally I think even if the town wins it will be by a slight margin. If it happens you're gonna argue with it because I would call even five-six townies left a slight margin.)

If we don't hit at least two mafia with the three strikes given we double tomorrow - I think we should double right after on day five too. If we hit at least two on day three-four I think we have time to double on the sixth day if we're lucky.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:07 GMT
#1378
^And this is why I wanted to double today and the day after tomorrow. We're already running out of time.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:13 GMT
#1380
No. But I can tell you everything I can think of without telling which I personally think are the correct assumptions.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:26 GMT
#1382
God I actually like the middle pic in treadmasta's profile. That's outrageous. We should lynch him just because of that.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:31 GMT
#1383
Okay let's get down to business. No chess stream tonight I guess.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:48 GMT
#1385

With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises. Incognito was the quickest to react, and ran toward the corner of the room containing the refrigerator opening it to use the door as a shield. Unfortunately, the killer took advantage of the opportunity and kicked Incognito into the refrigerator and slammed the door shut, locking him into the cold. Glancing back, he noticed Kennigit rushing at him with a knife he found in the kitchen drawer. The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.


Mystlord eyem the strongest. Very-very weak link. It takes strength to throw someone out the window. But it doesn't to kick the fridge's door on someone.

keit Again the only link is showing down an apple down the victim's throat. I don't know much for how barbaric Cookie Monster is, but isn't it far-fetched to call him so?

Something not so obvious.

meeple Into the fray my friends, may our feet be swift, our hands be sure, and our necks keep a firm grasp on our heads. ... Swift feet... Just how swift should you be to kick the door on someone right as you see they are ducking behind it. Given that Incognito was the quickest to react. And hands sure? How sure (and quick) should hands be to block a knife with an apple. And also, being struck, blocking with an apple and showing it right down their throat - and then throwing them out of the window. The quote itself also seems something you would say before a charge - a far-fetched relation with taunting, but it's still not much more far-fetched than the previous links.

Another thing. Maybe there's someone linked to a barbaric/tribal shaman? I have the feeling something is still missing about this barbaric person we haven't uncovered yet. Just a feeling.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:50 GMT
#1386
Also the first guy taunted the ex-leaders with taking the nice little town. Which is another taunt. I can't picture the cookie monster taunting someone. It's more like the hockey zombie now?

Eat... his... brain...

Except for cookies.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 19:52 GMT
#1389
If he's extremely barbaric he would want to tear the opponent apart and rip them open instead of showing them in the fridge or throwing out the window. Taunting also isn't very brainlessly barbaric...
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 20:02 GMT
#1391

The second Mafia member glared at Qatol in disgust and contempt. "Vile, dirty scum," he muttered, shuddering. He pulled out a thin knife and ran forward to stab Qatol in the chest. As Qatol lay dying, his lifeblood seeping from his wound, his killer carefully dragged the body into the closet, making sure to clean up the pool of blood on the floor.


I don't know but everyone seems to paint this guy as cold and calculating. They look at Qatol in disgust and contempt which isn't very cold. They say Vile, dirty scum. which isn't very calculating or calm - and they have so much emotion in it that they are shuddering... Running toward someone with a knife isn't really calm, cold and calculating. Someone cold and calculating would just corner them slowly and enjoy the fear in their eyes and let them bleed for a long while. Which wasn't explained so. Dragging the body to the closet and cleaning up the blood... Could also hint at being maniac about cleansiness and order. I'm not sure doctors would clean up blood after an operation. They do the surgery, close the wound, wipe it. But it's not them wiping the floor. The thin knife... Could it be a stiletto or something. Instead of a scapel?

Wait a minute!

Jayme Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it. Qatol is a snakish creature from some collectible card game (Magic the Gathering?), and calling someone garbage is close to calling them scum and being number 1 advocate of getting rid of it would actually hint at having strong emotions about it. And if you want to get rid of it maybe you would also put them away and even erase their memory. Or the whole cleaning thing could hint at something else with Jayme?
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 20:04 GMT
#1392
Qatol
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 20:07 GMT
#1393
I'm taking a break of a few mins. If I would dish out everything at once you wouldn't read it as carefully anyway. Nothing personal - it's in human nature.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 20:18 GMT
#1395
On January 27 2010 05:14 flamewheel91 wrote:
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On January 27 2010 04:48 Ng5 wrote:

With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises. Incognito was the quickest to react, and ran toward the corner of the room containing the refrigerator opening it to use the door as a shield. Unfortunately, the killer took advantage of the opportunity and kicked Incognito into the refrigerator and slammed the door shut, locking him into the cold. Glancing back, he noticed Kennigit rushing at him with a knife he found in the kitchen drawer. The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.


Mystlord eyem the strongest. Very-very weak link. It takes strength to throw someone out the window. But it doesn't to kick the fridge's door on someone.

keit Again the only link is showing down an apple down the victim's throat. I don't know much for how barbaric Cookie Monster is, but isn't it far-fetched to call him so?

Something not so obvious.

meeple Into the fray my friends, may our feet be swift, our hands be sure, and our necks keep a firm grasp on our heads. ... Swift feet... Just how swift should you be to kick the door on someone right as you see they are ducking behind it. Given that Incognito was the quickest to react. And hands sure? How sure (and quick) should hands be to block a knife with an apple. And also, being struck, blocking with an apple and showing it right down their throat - and then throwing them out of the window. The quote itself also seems something you would say before a charge - a far-fetched relation with taunting, but it's still not much more far-fetched than the previous links.

Another thing. Maybe there's someone linked to a barbaric/tribal shaman? I have the feeling something is still missing about this barbaric person we haven't uncovered yet. Just a feeling.


Third night clue--death by poisonous mist. Mystlord himself says the killer (who takes off his scarf) seems impervious to it. Just something to say.

Okay back to game theory.


Had nothing to add to the original post. A quote wasn't needed, nor verified. Just something to say.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 20:50 GMT
#1397

Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death.


I don't know about this. So far I heard tredmasta and flamewheel. There doesn't seem to be much connection to the former.

tredmasta Trying to outrun, etc. Very far-fetched. The streetlamps flickered... If you really wanted to stretch it too far you could say something like a mouse-wheel could be used to induce electricity, but isn't it going too far?

flamewheel Maybe it would still help if we knew more about the runner. It doesn't matter if he does know more about it or not - it's not him making the clues. If he's a long-distance runner he could be relentless and unperturbed after someone exhausted themselves over a short distance. Or if he played during special circumstances like setting sun or under flickering lights... On the other hand if we don't find more about him maybe it's nothing. Or maybe it's just a symbol for someone else. Being chinese, or the a chinese runner, or being a chinese runner at one of the olympiads... Or maybe his number? 441? Rings any bell? Also as it's been pointed out his defending habits tend to be very aggressive and he tries putting into your mouth that he already defended himself when he didn't really add much. And that's not personal opinion, that's a fact. It can be more blackening than the clue itself.

If we are making such assumptions we might as well think about.

StimiLant Because someone stimulated would not lose much of their stamina after a longer gallop.

Or.

meeple Again for being swift and sure. The strangling is about neck too since your head falls to the side once you're dead after being strangled, no? Still a little far fetched, but not worse than the original two ideas.

Or.

Hyperbola Because of strangling and his picture.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 26 2010 21:06 GMT
#1399

Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life.


Ng5 Yes knights used to wear bucket helmets before more advanced, more-piece technology was founded. Scepters are not very knightish, though. Only paladins in D2 used scepters. And again sledgehammer. Such weapons weren't considered too noblish in medieval times and they would be hard to use mounted. A flail is more likely if we are talking blunt weapons, but that's going too far.

But if you really want to go for the knight thing.

SerAspi Registered in later january, so it's safe to assume they already knew of Dragon Age: Origins which has a habit of twisting medieval words and using them trying to create its own atmosphere. Like using arl instead of earl and ser referring to knight-ish people as opposed to sir.

Also if you write into google image finder:

Cynan Machae drops a knightish picture first.

Maybe

[NyC]HoBbes For the wild animal let loose. A high-pitched snicker? Tigers don't really snicker? And don't have high voices. But could walk on rafters before hopping down the floor.

Bucket helmets can be used by anyone from astronauts through deep divers to american football players.

Is there a football/rugby team with a link to the word sledgehammer? And if so who are the managers, team members, where is it from? If it was from New York we'd have a closer link to Hobbes. Maybe hockey players? The sledgehammer could also be similar to a bandy or whatever it is called?
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