EPTWhich one of Zona's posts?
Speaking of Zona, Bill Murray mentioned him in a pm he sent me. I responded but he never got back to replying.
"first: if you don't trust me 100%, assign a percentage.
second: what are your thoughts on zona?"
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DoctorHelvetica
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Which one of Zona's posts? Speaking of Zona, Bill Murray mentioned him in a pm he sent me. I responded but he never got back to replying. "first: if you don't trust me 100%, assign a percentage. second: what are your thoughts on zona?" | ||
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On January 23 2010 12:39 meeple wrote: Why would Bill Murray lie about that? He has nothing to lose if he's already dead. I'm not saying it's good the way he told us, by talking after death, but I'm not gonna pretend I didn't read it. There were 26 people for the mafia to choose from and they somehow got lucky and nailed a bodyguard and a detective? One of the people Bill Murray told was mafia, and he's already confirm citi.zen wasn't, and we have no proof of Jugan (regardless he doesn't fit any of the clues so far)... and then there's you. Bill Murray has been a potential mafia target for a while, and he confirmed that himself multiple times. He was begging for medic protection in the thread for a long time. This doesn't instantly incriminate me, or incriminate citi.zen as the godfather. | ||
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On January 23 2010 12:45 meeple wrote: When he was begging for protection, everyone took it as a joke... at least, everyone who didn't know he was a detective He clearly though of himself as a mafia target. Why would the mafia hit citi.zen, zona, or someone like that when medics more than likely covered them? Bill Murray begs for medic protection, isn't taken seriously, and along with what Jugan says "that he's been stirring things up behind the scenes" it doesn't seem so strange to me that an intelligent mafia could have suspected him as a blue from that information alone. It's even better than no one took him seriously, since the mafia would then assume no medics will actually protect him. I think we should focus on the clues we received for now. | ||
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On January 23 2010 12:46 meeple wrote: And how are we supposed to trust these pms? Jugan already denied his Jugan didn't deny that we sent those pm's to eachother. | ||
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"honestly, i trust you 3rd of the players (behind citi.zen and someone else), and i trust you more than meeple. i trust him 4th or 5th. that being said, there is no way for me to rolecheck you. if you or meeple are red, i expect you both to be, and the game is already essentially lost. if you're both red, you will probably not kill me, as i trust you all more than the opposition. " So there was someone else he was talking to in pm besides me and citi.zen it seems. Although I have no idea who. I would guess Zona if I had to since BM asked me what I thought of Zona, but that's not for sure. | ||
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On January 23 2010 12:51 meeple wrote: ok... still I don't think its a coincedence. But I'll focus on the clues from today Well, regardless of what you personally think, there are numerous objective reasons why the mafia might have hit him from the information he revealed in public. As far as the clues, you're thinking Hobbes? I'm not sure about that. It seems strange he would be referred to in clues on both days. flamewheel91 is my best guess for the time being. | ||
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On January 23 2010 13:04 citi.zen wrote: Jayme has a cat, Hobbes the tiger, Hyperbola a squid (?) Could kane]deth[ by a suspect for Bill killing too? kane = sledge-hammer, used to kill Bill? kane]deth[ = death by sledgehammer? that fits a little bit. I still think we should lynch flamewheel91 today and then hold off on a double lynch until it can reduce mafia kp | ||
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On January 23 2010 13:08 meeple wrote: Why should we hold off if we have two fairly solid leads? If we keep holding it off the mafia are going to run down our numbers too much Well we lynch one today and two during the next day right? I'm pretty sure the rules say we have to call for a doublelynch a day in advance. So would we lynch flamewheel now and then hobbes/keit tomorrow? | ||
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On January 23 2010 13:09 StimiLant wrote: the count so far is 24 town left minus 7 which is 17 green/blue now, i think if my maths correct 34 total 7/34 is mafia 34 - 7 is 27 and 4 town members died, so there are 23 to 7 town : mafia | ||
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On January 23 2010 13:16 meeple wrote: What if we're using the double lynch tommorow? On January 23 2010 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I vote to lynch flamewheel91: I also vote to use a double-lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On January 24 2010 06:33 789 wrote: This + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2010 14:31 flamewheel91 wrote: And this is not as strong of a correlation? The mafia could stage a disagreement to throw suspicion off of one or both of them, but it seems unlikely. Right now I feel, barely, that the clues are a bit stronger toward kane but I'm still pretty torn. For the time being, my vote is on kane. | ||
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On January 24 2010 07:22 Ser Aspi wrote: So now I've read a few of the other games here and noticed a few common similarities. I encourage everyone else to do so. Without these games id be as lost as i was in the beginning. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91680 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89338 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251 1. A lot of people discuss clues but they never use them to lynch until day 3 at the earlier. Even the best clue people so far as i can tell don't do much until day 3. Logically it makes sense because if clues early on are too easy then the mafia have no chance as more and more clues pile on. Also a lot of mafia try to hide by posting fake clue analysis. Because clue analysis is mostly speculation unless a master is doing it i dunno how to tell the fake from the legit. We should be careful of anyone who posts only clue analysis to 'blend in.' in the first game on the list a lot of the mafia posted bogus clue analysis and nobody suspected them because of it. Overall The times people were dead set on killing someone based on a clue early on, they were always wrong. After seeing how wrong people were about clues, i don't trust clues this early at all. if you guys read how useless they were in other games, you probably won't either. Most if not all of the people that everyone is bandwagoning on from clues are going to be innocent. Mafia are prolly laughing at us this whole time. 2. The best players seem to catch a lot of mafia either by pms, logic, or traps in the thread. they also use a variety of plans like a list of people that medics can protect or have ways to confirm innocents. i dunno really how to do this but we should at least be trying instead of wasting time on clues. ill think about it some more and post ideas later. We would be wise to learn from the mistakes and successes of those before us. I feel a little confident now after reading all of that :D We already repeated a mistake that's happened a lot in lynching t_co. Let's not fall victim to any more of that. No more worrying about clues! You're making really good points here; I'm convinced for the time being. I'll take back my vote for the double lynch for now. I've been bandwagoning a bit hard right now, I'm still so upset about the MSL finals that I'm having difficulty really thinking about this game, hopefully I'll be able to think about something else besides how much I hate KESPA  Do you have a plan of action? If we hold off on the double-lynch where do we go from here? As far as both trapping mafia and confirming innocents. | ||
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Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life. nothing really stands out to me in the third death scenario :o | ||
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