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On October 22 2009 12:04 Qatol wrote:
There is a bit of confusion so I'll say this here too (as reflected in the OP):
Mafia do not get to convert a player to be their godfather. They elect the godfather from among their own members.
Is it possible to know which people were confused about this so that I'm able to form a good list of potential day1 lynches for my RNG?
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Foolishness
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On October 22 2009 11:59 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 11:42 Foolishness wrote:
I don't know why there is a seeming consensus to lynch Tricode here. He's clearly not mafia, and probably some important role. Does it make sense that the mafia got on an irc channel and said, "alright here's the plan, Tricode is going to go in there and get elected and draw lots of attention to himself"? Hell no it doesn't. The one thing I learned from being mafia is that hardly anyone does anything as mafia. The mafia strategy is always just sit back and hope things work out. There have been seldom games where the mafia actually were involved in the town affairs. even if he has an important role he always plays like this. Can't really make any assumptions here. On the bright side, if he were blue, DTs would know blues when they find them, although not which blue it is (unless they're sane/whatever the other one is). Also I think we can safely assume that greens > blues so there would be a higher chance of DTs getting their other colored RC. If they don't get another color, at least they find a blue. Win win. Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 11:46 Foolishness wrote:
The point of the matter, as had been previously said, is that mafia without their vet leader equals gg mafia. The town without their leader doesn't mean anything. There have been games where some non vet took control of the town (heck even I did it). The mafia needs the vet players not the town.
I find it odd that Pyrry has not been around at all this game. Usually he's good at helping the town, but I guess without clues he's about as useless as Aquaman. Takes way too long to pinpoint your prized mafia vet. By that time, mafia's all up and organized and most if not all of your good town players are dead. I doubt a mafia is going to act completely irrationally even after the leader set their game plan up. Look at Ver in BCs (first game?) where he died day 1 (2?) but destroyed the town's blues. The game is about finding reds, not finding a single red. Because in the mean time you disregard all other reds in search for your red vet. Bad.
That's fine and all and I'm not saying my plan is perfect. But honestly what else are we going to do now? As L said, nearly all the mayor candidates are mia and all we got now is a plan so DT's can figure out their situation. Tricode is obviously not red and wanting to lynch him based off of his not contributing attitude or whatever is hardly a justification at all. At the very least you could pick an inactive to lynch.
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Motbob? I guess I'll get into trouble if he ends up being town but who cares, always happens. Would be my first choice because he's been around everywhere but this thread.
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On October 22 2009 12:08 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 11:59 Incognito wrote:On October 22 2009 11:42 Foolishness wrote:
I don't know why there is a seeming consensus to lynch Tricode here. He's clearly not mafia, and probably some important role. Does it make sense that the mafia got on an irc channel and said, "alright here's the plan, Tricode is going to go in there and get elected and draw lots of attention to himself"? Hell no it doesn't. The one thing I learned from being mafia is that hardly anyone does anything as mafia. The mafia strategy is always just sit back and hope things work out. There have been seldom games where the mafia actually were involved in the town affairs. even if he has an important role he always plays like this. Can't really make any assumptions here. On the bright side, if he were blue, DTs would know blues when they find them, although not which blue it is (unless they're sane/whatever the other one is). Also I think we can safely assume that greens > blues so there would be a higher chance of DTs getting their other colored RC. If they don't get another color, at least they find a blue. Win win. On October 22 2009 11:46 Foolishness wrote:
The point of the matter, as had been previously said, is that mafia without their vet leader equals gg mafia. The town without their leader doesn't mean anything. There have been games where some non vet took control of the town (heck even I did it). The mafia needs the vet players not the town.
I find it odd that Pyrry has not been around at all this game. Usually he's good at helping the town, but I guess without clues he's about as useless as Aquaman. Takes way too long to pinpoint your prized mafia vet. By that time, mafia's all up and organized and most if not all of your good town players are dead. I doubt a mafia is going to act completely irrationally even after the leader set their game plan up. Look at Ver in BCs (first game?) where he died day 1 (2?) but destroyed the town's blues. The game is about finding reds, not finding a single red. Because in the mean time you disregard all other reds in search for your red vet. Bad. That's fine and all and I'm not saying my plan is perfect. But honestly what else are we going to do now? As L said, nearly all the mayor candidates are mia and all we got now is a plan so DT's can figure out their situation. Tricode is obviously not red and wanting to lynch him based off of his not contributing attitude or whatever is hardly a justification at all. At the very least you could pick an inactive to lynch.
Non posting towny is approximately equal to garbage spewing townie, which is one argument. But it could go either way.
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On October 22 2009 12:07 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 12:04 Qatol wrote:
There is a bit of confusion so I'll say this here too (as reflected in the OP):
Mafia do not get to convert a player to be their godfather. They elect the godfather from among their own members. Is it possible to know which people were confused about this so that I'm able to form a good list of potential day1 lynches for my RNG?
Yep here you go:
LTT, Chuiu, Shikyo, Fakesteve
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On October 22 2009 12:08 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 11:59 Incognito wrote:On October 22 2009 11:42 Foolishness wrote:
I don't know why there is a seeming consensus to lynch Tricode here. He's clearly not mafia, and probably some important role. Does it make sense that the mafia got on an irc channel and said, "alright here's the plan, Tricode is going to go in there and get elected and draw lots of attention to himself"? Hell no it doesn't. The one thing I learned from being mafia is that hardly anyone does anything as mafia. The mafia strategy is always just sit back and hope things work out. There have been seldom games where the mafia actually were involved in the town affairs. even if he has an important role he always plays like this. Can't really make any assumptions here. On the bright side, if he were blue, DTs would know blues when they find them, although not which blue it is (unless they're sane/whatever the other one is). Also I think we can safely assume that greens > blues so there would be a higher chance of DTs getting their other colored RC. If they don't get another color, at least they find a blue. Win win. On October 22 2009 11:46 Foolishness wrote:
The point of the matter, as had been previously said, is that mafia without their vet leader equals gg mafia. The town without their leader doesn't mean anything. There have been games where some non vet took control of the town (heck even I did it). The mafia needs the vet players not the town.
I find it odd that Pyrry has not been around at all this game. Usually he's good at helping the town, but I guess without clues he's about as useless as Aquaman. Takes way too long to pinpoint your prized mafia vet. By that time, mafia's all up and organized and most if not all of your good town players are dead. I doubt a mafia is going to act completely irrationally even after the leader set their game plan up. Look at Ver in BCs (first game?) where he died day 1 (2?) but destroyed the town's blues. The game is about finding reds, not finding a single red. Because in the mean time you disregard all other reds in search for your red vet. Bad. That's fine and all and I'm not saying my plan is perfect. But honestly what else are we going to do now? As L said, nearly all the mayor candidates are mia and all we got now is a plan so DT's can figure out their situation. Tricode is obviously not red and wanting to lynch him based off of his not contributing attitude or whatever is hardly a justification at all. At the very least you could pick an inactive to lynch.
Was pretty obvious he's being a dumb townie like pretty much every other game he's been a dumb townie, but now we can't really examine people's reaction to the idea of killing him if we're going to admit it as the only option that fits his actions.
But as a slight speedbump: there are zero inactive players in this game besides motbob as far as I can tell.
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On October 22 2009 12:17 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 12:07 Shikyo wrote:On October 22 2009 12:04 Qatol wrote:
There is a bit of confusion so I'll say this here too (as reflected in the OP):
Mafia do not get to convert a player to be their godfather. They elect the godfather from among their own members. Is it possible to know which people were confused about this so that I'm able to form a good list of potential day1 lynches for my RNG? Yep here you go: LTT, Chuiu, Shikyo, Fakesteve
I wasn't, so that's incorrect. Others make no sense.
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L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range?
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Yo, my name is Arthur Curry, I dunno anything about this Aquaman guy. I don't get why L and a few people are jumping on Tricode, I will stick to my plan of lynching the least active person at the end of the day and I don't think that is Tricode at this point. As for the vet plan, I've seen town's kill themselves assuming that a good player is in the mafia when there isn't one so I think we should guess that at least one big name is in there but let's not kill off all the best players without other evidence.
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On October 22 2009 12:20 Tricode wrote:
L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range?
Of course, you don't need L to answer that. Content is also important.
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On October 22 2009 12:23 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 12:20 Tricode wrote:
L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range? Of course, you don't need L to answer that. Content is also important.
I was wondering what he would consider as inactive. Also i know content is important.
Either case, it can be noted that Caller only posted 2 times. One for candidacy and one saying he will lynch pyrr.
Wasn't he normally very active in other games?
I still think redtooth should be looked at. Through things he said when he tried to help a bandwagon get going.
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I dont see it as trying to get a bandwagon going. I also am going to sleep.
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With this game we come to a stall, so let me stop this stride we are in before we all become a thrall.
the dt plan is sound, but with an idea I may astound.
with a little thinking in advance we can rid this trance.
A vet we do claim, for if they do not we are put to shame.
A clever plan in this is inlaid, a dt can check him and start a brigade,
Chances of more than one are so small, as ver and qatol would like to keep things on the ball.
So dear friends, let us wait for the phrase, so that with the vet we may all praise,
to arms i say, now let us pray
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On October 22 2009 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
With this game we come to a stall, so let me stop this stride we are in before we all become a thrall.
the dt plan is sound, but with an idea I may astound.
with a little thinking in advance we can rid this trance.
A vet we do claim, for if they do not we are put to shame.
A clever plan in this is inlaid, a dt can check him and start a brigade,
Chances of more than one are so small, as ver and qatol would like to keep things on the ball.
So dear friends, let us wait for the phrase, so that with the vet we may all praise,
to arms i say, now let us pray
shit you've been saying relevant things in these poems? now i have to go back and read the rest of them lol. Let's not forget that there may not even be 1 veteran...
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If there is a vet there may be no medic to prot him. What would that do to the plan?
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my lord bird, you fail to see what you should have heard.
a magical plan it will be, one everyone should see
find the meaning in the veil you might achieve, but it is merely a matter of you wish to percieve
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On October 22 2009 12:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If there is a vet there may be no medic to prot him. What would that do to the plan?
I highly doubt there would be no medics. That would be imba considering DTs are already weak.
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so pyrr the least active person is obviously motbob, will you confirm you will lynch motbob when you are elected?
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On October 22 2009 12:20 Tricode wrote:
L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range?
Clearly not, given the game's been going on less than a day and a bunch of very good players play quietly to focus on pms or to focus on not getting raped by mafia. If someone's talking, they're talking.
Whether or not they're producing content or not depends on what they're saying: e.g. you were saying very little until I told you to shape your shit up. Now you're doing a bit better.
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