EPTIts good to have DTs check people who will die, but we can also use them to deter mafia hits. Because they WONT want to hit people who will get RCed.
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
Its good to have DTs check people who will die, but we can also use them to deter mafia hits. Because they WONT want to hit people who will get RCed. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 22 2009 09:04 HeavOnEarth wrote: note that motbob voted ace and is still inactive in the thread.. Note that that means that he got the PM, and the posts in the LR thread means he's been around, and the vote means he's been reading the thread. Highly suspicious!!! | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On October 22 2009 07:39 dreamflower wrote: I am serious when it comes to people being labeled as "good" and "bad" like that. I apologize if this is frightening for you. "Good" players can play quite badly and "bad" players can play well, so labeling someone like that and sticking by it forever seems ill-advised. And I thought it was ironic that Foolishness made that post, having been labeled a "bad" player by Ace in the past. ] this is true in the smurf game some people who are generally considered "not good" played rather well. | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
Now I must eat dinner, I await your responses my dear Shikyo~ | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On October 22 2009 06:31 Vivi57 wrote: but a mafia vet does so much more damage. Without them, the mafia organization falls apart so much more than the town If we can pick off a mafia vet right away, the town will have a ridiculous advantage Foolishness is right, one vet atleast is mafia for sure. That gives us atleast a 20-25% chance on the first lynch, which is good, unless something amazing happens between then and now. Wanna take a guess at what our % chance for a red lynch is if we DONT hit a vet? Tada! Its also 20%! On October 22 2009 06:43 redtooth wrote: you're mighty quick to anger my friend. do you guys (tricode and L) have a history of animosity? L is abrasive but you got defensive REAL quick, even for one of L's elitist posts. BUT WAIT. are you really angry? really? Well yes he does have a history of getting a bit defensive. Dont think its a sure tell. However it sounds plausible. But I do think it does fit his character somewhat. On October 22 2009 06:49 redtooth wrote: killing off a vet right now is stupid. as this is an invite game, the players are all decently experienced and any combination would form a competent mafia team (although tricode is starting to make me doubt). obviously there are the "better" players even within this group but killing them off risks losing their skills as useful townies. besides, we all have suspicions of them [Ace, BC, L] every game and if they don't start producing results or start acting in a manner detrimental to the town then at that point we can kill them off. Faulty assumption. Its what screwed us the first "vet" game. On October 22 2009 06:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: Knowing the people that play/set up these games after playing about 7 mafia games they probably randomly assigned roles. It's a terrible idea to assume all the vets get the mafia roles. More than typically there is a pretty even split, and more or less the veterans get the townie-aligned roles. How do you gauge who's a "veteran" anyway? Whoever the mods think are the good players. But generally they'd probably be the same players who always get mentioned. On October 22 2009 06:58 Foolishness wrote: No. And I never said all the vets get the mafia roles I said one of them is guarenteed to be mafia. In the smurf game, the only "vet" on the mafia was BC. Ver and Qatol were absolutely furious when they found out about this after the game was over. This isn't real life mafia where roles are randomly assigned. Ver and Qatol would rather die than host a mafia game with randomly assigned roles. As previously stated, if we were able to kill the mafia veteran the whole mafia team would probably fall apart without that vet. I am not saying we should spend the next 3 days killing off all the vets, I am just saying we should do it now until the other DT plans are able to kick in. Ok wtf seriously I'm hearing all this hate going around among the "vet" players. Although it is to a certain extent natural, it serves no useful purpose here or now. Especially when the two vets mentioned arent even playing the game. Besides the ratio of "vet" players to total players is about the same as mafia to total players, so this tells us nothing. On October 22 2009 07:01 dreamflower wrote: As for the Mayor elections, I'm also surprised that none of the candidates except Rebirthoflegend have discussed the fact that Mafia can now infiltrate their own members as bodyguards. Considering the bodyguards and Mayor will know each other this game, it's likely they'll at least be in contact with each other and even form a circle. In that case, we'd want to elect a Mayor who can best demonstrate that they're town-aligned and good at reading people, because they're more likely than most to be in close proximity with Mafia members. Bad idea. You cannot assume the bodyguards will make a circle with the mayor because its just not reliable. If this circle does happen, NOBODY should trust it. I think we dont need to really talk about mafia bgs, just be aware of the possibility and ignore them in terms of power circles. On October 22 2009 07:21 dreamflower wrote: How so? The point of continuing to run these games of Mafia is to have people learn how to play better, and plenty of people do get better and better as they understand the rules and learn to distinguish behavior better. Qatol told me he was "absolutely horrible" in his first game, and now he's considered one of the best players here. Unless you mean players who are labeled "bad" will always be labeled "bad," in which case I totally agree. It's hard to get rid of a label like that, unless you play spectacularly well in a game or consistently well in multiple games. Especially if a well-known player like Ace or L attaches the "bad player" label to you. ...bad is only a label. Ace labels a lot of people bad, but some other vets dont have such large lists. Plus there aren't only "bad" players and "good" players. There's also in between. And of course good players can play poorly. Which is why it is absurd to assume that this game will be of any higher quality than the other non-invite games. So everyone should play logically at their best and not assume that this will be a high quality game. We'll take whatever content-useful posts that you've got. On October 22 2009 09:10 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: this is true in the smurf game some people who are generally considered "not good" played rather well. Generally when there is no sheepherder or no time for the sheepherder to push the sheep over the cliff, the sheep play rather well. Like the mini mafia game. Need to go now but I'll be back later for some clarifications about DT lists, as there appears to be some confusion. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On October 22 2009 07:23 redtooth wrote: also, this is absolutely wrong. i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player. he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously at the moment so we can't rely on any drastic improvements from him. Ace, L, BC have established their usefulness whenever they were green. edit: took out one word ("in") to let the sentence actually make sense. Bandwagon much? Hmm yes? Mafia much? Hmm? look, you are going on the consensus called "L" whose list of people that remember me fully contribute of 1, "L" himself. It is an ackward bandwagon. Oh 'let's kill someone we don't think is mafia'....good plan. Let's keep to it until all the town is gone. If you say I'm useless, well at least i don't go off killing potential townies...assisting mafia is a bad thing. Thank you dreamflower for defending me while I was gone. I really appreciate your kindness. As far as how I am with L, that is my own personality, deal with it. Me and him had our arguments in the past and he hasn't gotten over it. So what if i get made and then joke about it. Go get some real behavior analysis or evidence. Though suspension arises with kill your Tricode bandwagon. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
You throw out really, really obvious mafia tells in games where you're townie; that's not acceptable play because you set yourself up to get killed later when the lynches matter more. For the first day, where we have pretty much no information and very little other than player skill and prior experiences to work with, your history of contributing nothing and fanning flames between townies does not help us at all. So yeah, given a choice between bad players and good players who have an equal chance to be mafia, I'm going to pick the bad players, because the good players can actually produce quality posts for the town. Foolishness, for instance, typically plays like complete garbage for 3 days to get mafia off his ass, but then he produces. MBH typically does not talk for 2 days, but then he produces. I mean, there are a number of players that I could have picked that are relatively weak, but it was between you and the upside down crew. Your one-liner garbage posts tipped me in your favor. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 22 2009 09:38 SugiuraMidori wrote: Shikyo isn't acting like his normally green self, he must be mafia. Now I must eat dinner, I await your responses my dear Shikyo~ Nice logic, but if you read the game where I was mafia, I was avoiding attention a lot more. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
Also the last game where "I supposedly set myself up" some how you morons were unable to "READ" You read B/C's crap. You let the Godfather miss lead you with even more obvious Crap that you neglected logic and reasoning in why what they both said didn't make absolute sense what so ever. Now if i did tip off what I am according to you, that just means I am one less person to look at and there are 20 more people to check. Congrats in wasting time with the one person that you don't think is mafia. You have just made yourself more worthless then I. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Who gives a crap that mafia kills me. Its caring about a wasted lynch down the road. The first day lynch is almost always up to chance because of a lack of information, but wasting a day 3 or 4 lynch on you after you've thrown down a bunch of mafia tells due to poor play is devastating and nets us quite a disadvantage. Normally in a game with clues it would be somewhat acceptable to let you run around saying stupid shit because I and others would be able to link or exonerate people using clues, but in a game like this you're just a liability.There's a reason I get killed by mafia early and you get yelled at by people who are confirmed townies. Its because despite not being 100% accurate (which I'd never claim to be), I also smoke out like 2-3 mafia per game. If you really had an issue with what I'm saying, I'd imagine you would drop the confrontational tone, because that's one of my criticisms, and I'd suggest that you actually deal with the issues I've brought up instead of trying to make this a war of egos. Do you honestly think you're going to drum up support for yourself by confirming all of the things I've said about you? Your posts still have no content other than defending yourself, and you're still causing fights, and you're still dropping mafia tells. I mean, I pretty clearly asked for another target earlier on. If you've got someone better, lets hear the case. If you want to reform yourself, do it. If you want to fight me and pretend your balls are made of a metal harder than mine, well you're shit out of luck. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104099¤tpage=7#133 Two different time periods during which he's been on, and the vote at a different time period, but no post here. Highly sus... okay okay, but interested to read what he has to say. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
Two, your words are equivalently or more useless then myself, so don't be talking. three, actual important issue have you brought up that actually contributes to the town? Slaying me is the crappiest suggestion. But you are right, I am getting to heated up with you and that is actually delaying any progress from both our sides. Also my defense points out if i you really feel like I am not mafia, then you should be looking for someone who you really believe does have potential in being mafia, instead of wasting the towns time with me. So with a little worthless things said here and there, I do have points that you should read. Though you seem to fail sometimes at doing that. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On October 22 2009 10:34 Tricode wrote: One, mine was inactive people, such as those non speakers. (But I am now considering Redtooth cause of his bandwagon) Two, your words are equivalently or more useless then myself, so don't be talking. three, actual important issue have you brought up that actually contributes to the town? Slaying me is the crappiest suggestion. But you are right, I am getting to heated up with you and that is actually delaying any progress from both our sides. Also my defense points out if i you really feel like I am not mafia, then you should be looking for someone who you really believe does have potential in being mafia, instead of wasting the towns time with me. So with a little worthless things said here and there, I do have points that you should read. Though you seem to fail sometimes at doing that. See, lets deal with these: 1) pick someone. 2) no they aren't. I essentially am the reason for the last 4 pages of information we have. You attribute half the posts in the thread to me having balls. 3) killing terrible players isn't a bad suggestion. I also suggested when to determine who we vote for regarding the DT plan and also suggested we follow through with it. I have no idea if you're mafia or not, but at this point I'm not expecting anyone to be like "sup, day 1, no clues, lets out myself". The first vote is always a value added attempt. By talking about you I've seen who's come to your aid, who hasn't, who's posting, who isn't and how people are posting. There's quite a bit of information popping up, believe it or not. Information which we wouldn't have if i hadn't had the balls to actually suggest a person. And no, your posts have all been devoid of decent content, sorry. So, lets be cute here: Tricode, you want to be mayor, right? Pick someone. Not a 'group'. A person. Time to nut up or shut up. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On October 22 2009 10:42 L wrote: See, lets deal with these: 1) pick someone. 2) no they aren't. I essentially am the reason for the last 4 pages of information we have. You attribute half the posts in the thread to me having balls. 3) killing terrible players isn't a bad suggestion. I also suggested when to determine who we vote for regarding the DT plan and also suggested we follow through with it. I have no idea if you're mafia or not, but at this point I'm not expecting anyone to be like "sup, day 1, no clues, lets out myself". The first vote is always a value added attempt. By talking about you I've seen who's come to your aid, who hasn't, who's posting, who isn't and how people are posting. There's quite a bit of information popping up, believe it or not. Information which we wouldn't have if i hadn't had the balls to actually suggest a person. And no, your posts have all been devoid of decent content, sorry. So, lets be cute here: Tricode, you want to be mayor, right? Pick someone. Not a 'group'. A person. Time to nut up or shut up. what do you mean pick a person? I already gave my suggestion in who should be lynched. Unless you have a different meaning. Group? what are you talking about? Why is killing terrible players not a bad suggestion? You have no right to decide that. You gave your suggestion "me" and some people decided to bandwagon while stating "Oh i don't remember Tricodes behavior or him much" 'so let's trust 'L' and lynch him cause he must be bad, since L said so' Don't you find that kinda weird? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Do you even want to be elected? | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On October 22 2009 10:50 L wrote: So you refuse to pick a person despite being a mayoral candidate? Do you even want to be elected? Why despite me saying earlier who i think should be lynched (redtooth) do you keep saying pick a person? What are you referring to? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 22 2009 10:49 Tricode wrote: what do you mean pick a person? I already gave my suggestion in who should be lynched. Unless you have a different meaning. Group? what are you talking about? Why is killing terrible players not a bad suggestion? You have no right to decide that. You gave your suggestion "me" and some people decided to bandwagon while stating "Oh i don't remember Tricodes behavior or him much" 'so let's trust 'L' and lynch him cause he must be bad, since L said so' Don't you find that kinda weird? Been watching you and paying a lot of attention to you last couple of games, so that's not true at least for me. Group means "inactives" for example. A reason for why people have a hard time taking you seriously is because you can't figure something so simple out, as if you completely lacked some basic common sense. Killing bad players is not a bad suggestion because bad players hurt the town, irrelevant of their alignment. He didn't "decide" that, it's a logical conclusion that almost anyone can come to. I don't know about the bandwagon, redtooth really was the one who brought that up and I doubt it had anything to do with L. I'd find it weird if they weren't correct. But it's something to keep in mind, as always. Weird how no one else cares about motbob... | ||
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