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Sorry for taking so long to post, but I've been feeling sick this week and my brain isn't working up to normal capacity, which wasn't much to start with.
From what I've seen so far, I like Incognito's plan for figuring out the DT sanity by agreeing on who to lynch Day Two and having the DTs check them. It's a good way to start figuring out their sanities right away and being able to trust their rolechecks. I'm still a little confused about having a medic/DT list, though. Are the DTs going to checking the people that the medics protect?
I also agree with Foolishness that Ver and Qatol would have evenly distributed the veterans among the town and Mafia alike. Both of them were there (albeit not for very long) for Chuiu's game where nearly all the experienced players were town-aligned and the town nearly got a perfect game as a result. I don't think this justifies lynching veterans just because they're veterans, but watching them more closely than most for Mafia-like behavior doesn't hurt.
As for the Mayor elections, I'm also surprised that none of the candidates except Rebirthoflegend have discussed the fact that Mafia can now infiltrate their own members as bodyguards. Considering the bodyguards and Mayor will know each other this game, it's likely they'll at least be in contact with each other and even form a circle. In that case, we'd want to elect a Mayor who can best demonstrate that they're town-aligned and good at reading people, because they're more likely than most to be in close proximity with Mafia members.
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On October 22 2009 06:55 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 06:53 redtooth wrote:
i have just sent the three inactive a PM notifying them that the game has started. sometimes people just forget to reply. happened to me once in a game and i ended up dead before i could even post, despite being a townie. Oh, cool. I wasn't trying to force potential inactive mafia members into posting at all D: what? your "potential inacitve mafia members" don't exist. mafia is likely organized by now with an irc and a general plan. there is a chance that some are intentionally staying silent but my PM changes nothing. i simply told them that the game has started and they haven't posted, exactly what your one post said.
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well i just suck at playing mafia and hate when the town does it to me then lol
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On October 22 2009 07:00 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 06:56 Shikyo wrote:
Redtooth, amazing analysis but it seems to be more about "he is scum let me find reasons why that might be" rather than "hmm suspicious post, he might be scum". well i have to agree with you to a certain extent but i had no suspicions of tricode until that post. that single post had red flags all over and i just found more as i analyzed it deeper.
Well yeah, I actually wouldn't mind lynching him no matter his alignment just because it'd be a lot less damaging to the brain. But yeah let's keep our eyes open. Especially if he becomes quiet from now on it's going to be suspicious. It's difficult to see if he's faking or is just being dumb and doing it unintentionally, though.
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On October 22 2009 07:07 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 07:00 redtooth wrote:On October 22 2009 06:56 Shikyo wrote:
Redtooth, amazing analysis but it seems to be more about "he is scum let me find reasons why that might be" rather than "hmm suspicious post, he might be scum". well i have to agree with you to a certain extent but i had no suspicions of tricode until that post. that single post had red flags all over and i just found more as i analyzed it deeper. Well yeah, I actually wouldn't mind lynching him no matter his alignment just because it'd be a lot less damaging to the brain. But yeah let's keep our eyes open. Especially if he becomes quiet from now on it's going to be suspicious. It's difficult to see if he's faking or is just being dumb and doing it unintentionally, though. eh but those are the two reasons why we should lynch?
i propose that our planned Day 2 lynch (for incognito's DT plan) be tricode.
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In addition, I'm a little surprised at why people are so contemptuous of Tricode's posts. I admit I've been reading fairly quickly, but I don't see what's so much worse about his posts than, say, Bloodycobbler's or L's.
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On October 22 2009 07:11 dreamflower wrote:
In addition, I'm a little surprised at why people are so contemptuous of Tricode's posts. I admit I've been reading fairly quickly, but I don't see what's so much worse about his posts than, say, Bloodycobbler's or L's.
"bad" players will always be "bad"
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On October 22 2009 07:09 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 07:07 Shikyo wrote:On October 22 2009 07:00 redtooth wrote:On October 22 2009 06:56 Shikyo wrote:
Redtooth, amazing analysis but it seems to be more about "he is scum let me find reasons why that might be" rather than "hmm suspicious post, he might be scum". well i have to agree with you to a certain extent but i had no suspicions of tricode until that post. that single post had red flags all over and i just found more as i analyzed it deeper. Well yeah, I actually wouldn't mind lynching him no matter his alignment just because it'd be a lot less damaging to the brain. But yeah let's keep our eyes open. Especially if he becomes quiet from now on it's going to be suspicious. It's difficult to see if he's faking or is just being dumb and doing it unintentionally, though. eh but those are the two reasons why we should lynch? i propose that our planned Day 2 lynch (for incognito's DT plan) be tricode.
Yeah sure, but who are we going to lynch day 1 then? I really have no idea since there aren't any clues... I guess we'll have to go off behavior alone, although it's quite difficult at this point of the game.
About the DT plan, it seems like it helps them narrow their role down to 2 possible DT sanities, so they could either give it a 50/50 guess, or wait for a second check and death. So yeah sure, why not? I'm not really sure what the problem with this plan was again, or why were some people disagreeing with it?
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On October 22 2009 07:11 dreamflower wrote:
In addition, I'm a little surprised at why people are so contemptuous of Tricode's posts. I admit I've been reading fairly quickly, but I don't see what's so much worse about his posts than, say, Bloodycobbler's or L's. tricode is not one of the "vets". L and BC can afford to goof off and do whatever. look at Ace's platform: it's shit but it's better than tricode's long platform post. there is a chance that BC, L, and Ace are mafia but there is no chance that they are stupid townies. on the other hand, killing tricode is a win-win situation.
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On October 22 2009 07:15 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 07:11 dreamflower wrote:
In addition, I'm a little surprised at why people are so contemptuous of Tricode's posts. I admit I've been reading fairly quickly, but I don't see what's so much worse about his posts than, say, Bloodycobbler's or L's. "bad" players will always be "bad"
How so? The point of continuing to run these games of Mafia is to have people learn how to play better, and plenty of people do get better and better as they understand the rules and learn to distinguish behavior better. Qatol told me he was "absolutely horrible" in his first game, and now he's considered one of the best players here.
Unless you mean players who are labeled "bad" will always be labeled "bad," in which case I totally agree. It's hard to get rid of a label like that, unless you play spectacularly well in a game or consistently well in multiple games. Especially if a well-known player like Ace or L attaches the "bad player" label to you.
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On October 22 2009 07:18 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 07:11 dreamflower wrote:
In addition, I'm a little surprised at why people are so contemptuous of Tricode's posts. I admit I've been reading fairly quickly, but I don't see what's so much worse about his posts than, say, Bloodycobbler's or L's. tricode is not one of the "vets". L and BC can afford to goof off and do whatever. look at Ace's platform: it's shit but it's better than tricode's long platform post. there is a chance that BC, L, and Ace are mafia but there is no chance that they are stupid townies. on the other hand, killing tricode is a win-win situation.
Flawless logic. Stupid townie or stupid mafia, we win in either case. I think we might have to lynch either L or Ace soon though, or this thread will be like 100 pages in no time.
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On October 22 2009 04:15 Tricode wrote:
You shouldn't be trying to kill people based on past crap. also, this is absolutely wrong. i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player. he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously at the moment so we can't rely on any drastic improvements from him. Ace, L, BC have established their usefulness whenever they were green.
edit: took out one word ("in") to let the sentence actually make sense.
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On October 22 2009 07:21 dreamflower wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 07:15 Foolishness wrote:On October 22 2009 07:11 dreamflower wrote:
In addition, I'm a little surprised at why people are so contemptuous of Tricode's posts. I admit I've been reading fairly quickly, but I don't see what's so much worse about his posts than, say, Bloodycobbler's or L's. "bad" players will always be "bad" How so? The point of continuing to run these games of Mafia is to have people learn how to play better, and plenty of people do get better and better as they understand the rules and learn to distinguish behavior better. Qatol told me he was "absolutely horrible" in his first game, and now he's considered one of the best players here. Unless you mean players who are labeled "bad" will always be labeled "bad," in which case I totally agree. It's hard to get rid of a label like that, unless you play spectacularly well in a game or consistently well in multiple games. Especially if a well-known player like Ace or L attaches the "bad player" label to you.
Well looking at his posts, Tricode's astounding logic and gamesense seems to have stayed unchanged, so it's not a stretch to assume a relatively similiar skill level to past games. And you sound so serious, that's very scary.
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On October 22 2009 07:23 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 04:15 Tricode wrote:
You shouldn't be trying to kill people based on past crap. also, this is absolutely wrong. i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player. he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously at the moment so we can't rely on any drastic improvements from him. Ace, L, BC have established their usefulness in whenever they were green.
He normally says dumb stuff, makes bad connections with clues and is wrong about everything, generally. His behavior for now seems consistent with his past behavior.
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On October 22 2009 07:24 Shikyo wrote:
Well looking at his posts, Tricode's astounding logic and gamesense seems to have stayed unchanged, so it's not a stretch to assume a relatively similiar skill level to past games. And you sound so serious, that's very scary.
I am serious when it comes to people being labeled as "good" and "bad" like that. I apologize if this is frightening for you. "Good" players can play quite badly and "bad" players can play well, so labeling someone like that and sticking by it forever seems ill-advised. And I thought it was ironic that Foolishness made that post, having been labeled a "bad" player by Ace in the past.
I'm neither defending or advocating Tricode's lynch, but I'm puzzled as to why people seem to have latched onto that. Especially since the issue at hand right now should be the Mayor elections. I would definitely like to see a little more from the candidates than "*yawn* *runs for Mayor* *goes back to sleep*".
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good players can also play good and bad players can also play bad
whoa , madness ;o
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On October 22 2009 07:39 dreamflower wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2009 07:24 Shikyo wrote:
Well looking at his posts, Tricode's astounding logic and gamesense seems to have stayed unchanged, so it's not a stretch to assume a relatively similiar skill level to past games. And you sound so serious, that's very scary. I am serious when it comes to people being labeled as "good" and "bad" like that. I apologize if this is frightening for you. "Good" players can play quite badly and "bad" players can play well, so labeling someone like that and sticking by it forever seems ill-advised. And I thought it was ironic that Foolishness made that post, having been labeled a "bad" player by Ace in the past. I'm neither defending or advocating Tricode's lynch, but I'm puzzled as to why people seem to have latched onto that. Especially since the issue at hand right now should be the Mayor elections. I would definitely like to see a little more from the candidates than "*yawn* *runs for Mayor* *goes back to sleep*".
Well, the level of seriousness of my posts most likely differs slightly from the level of yours, so take that into account. Also, I don't think Ace was really being serious, since Foolishness has clearly been one of the better players here. I think he got hurt by foolishness calling him bad, so that labeling doesn't hold the same value.
If you're wondering about my reasonings, it's because I think it'll cause at least some discussion. I also haven't really liked his posts and even though it's more of a placeholder lynch vote, I wouldn't mind him getting lynched simply because I can't see him being all that useful to the town. I also agree about Ace, hence I won't vote for a mayor until a good candidate steps up.
Oh yeah, and I for one don't really care who's labeled as a bad player, I can see how good they are myself.
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BTW, Motbob spotted responding to a LR thread after the game had begun and role PMs sent. Suspicious? Hell yeah!!!
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uh o motbob u got called out
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Redtooth told me to post, so here I am. Technically he told me to "reply" but didn't specify whether he meant to reply to the PM or to reply in the thread.
Lynching inactives in an invite-only game? It actually sounds like a fine plan, because no one should be inactive. So if anyone is inactive then they should be killed. Simple enough. And for all those supporting a "least inactive" killing plan I should point out that I did post once before the day post was released, which I think counts because it was after the official start time. So there.
Plus I have a day and two hours to start being active.
I may have some accusations for y'all as soon as I finish analyzing all that poetry. I swear there's a clue in there somewhere.
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