EPTRoyal Never Give Up Wins MSI 2018! - Page 18
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On May 21 2018 20:01 General_Winter wrote: I wonder if it’s at the point where Korea should import talent. If KT brought in Mieko to play support and shot call I could see them being a top team. (Assuming they could fix the language thing) Mata is a damn good support lol. There are not many people out there who can spoon feed Deft the lane while having an impact elsewhere on the map. As mentioned above, Mata can't do much when Deft feels the need to throw himself at enemy teams. There are a lot of good ADC in the LCK, it's just that there is a greater focus on play making and good macro, not to mention teamfight positioning and not dying. Means that individual play as ADC is often drowned out, it's not flashy. I cannot think of any KR ADC that are godlike at laning, I might be wrong about that though. I say it because I spend so much time watching CN, where even bench warmers for LSPL teams are mechanically gifted out the wazoo, and everyone wants to win the lane hard, not just break even. Means you get people like iBoy, who either dumps on his lane as Cait up 30cs@10 plus tower, or gets his ass blasted because he took a step too far. And amidst all that, Uzi is king, but even he doesn't survive lane every single game. This time Korean teams seem to have gotten a bit worse so they were able to keep styling but the exact same thing happened at MSI as Worlds. I don't think this is a coincidence. You're bringing up the recurring statement that KR looks weaker than ever before, and just like every year they will probably win Worlds again. I too think the days of SSW/SKT manhandling everyone are over, but they are still ahead of everyone else. Other big factor is that with 3 KR teams at Worlds, they tend to clean up the competition in playoffs, a non-KR team most likely has to beat 2 or all 3 to get the trophy, and that's just brutal. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On May 22 2018 14:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm pretty interested in how this MSI effects Worlds. I would hope China's 3rd seed doesn't have to go through the "Totally Not Wildcards" portion of the tournament but I don't know how they could fudge the numbers to work out. I'm also curious if they're going to give the LMS a 3rd slot again this year even though there's no reasonable reason to, but FW doing so well they might be tempted to forget how bad LMS did at Worlds 2017. Why shouldn't they get the 3rd slot? If you take their 3rd slot away, might as well take NA's one as well. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On May 22 2018 16:33 AdsMoFro wrote: Why shouldn't they get the 3rd slot? If you take their 3rd slot away, might as well take NA's one as well. Because LMS isn't a major region and NA is? Clearly whatever Riot algorithm they used said that NA > LMS and that's why LMS was at the end of the Play-In and not NALCS for this MSI. The fact that last worlds 1/3 of all of LMS' combined wins came from beating Rampage. There's no doubt in my mind that sending two LMS teams will every time get you the two best teams in the region, whereas just sending 2 NA teams wouldn't achieve the same. The success of the Flash Wolves doesn't equate to the strength of the LMS, and that's been proven year after year | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
Btw the LMS rep has made it out of MSI group stage in every single year. Take that as you will. I think the LMS is definitely a top-heavy league. I also think EU is a top-heavy league. Aka Fnatic is way better than every other team and isn't a direct representative of the EU level of skill. I think LMS is gonna be fucked soon anyways. China money is coming for them now that Karsa succeeded and their talent pool is also low as fuck. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
My question would be who to give the third LMS ticket to. Are there overperforming small regions atm? I'm not too informed, but it's hard to think of one. Another option would be a region not yet participating. The last option would be to give it to another 'big' region. The only region with 3 tickets that's consistently overperforming compared to other 3 ticket regions is Korea, but I don't think many people are waiting for a fourth Korean squad. So at this moment, assuming 2017 tournament setup for 2018, I think giving LMS a third seed is reasonable. Edit: I counted a play-in spot as a ticket. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
I don't think they deserve 3 spots fully, but probably 2 and 1 in the Play-in again. Sounds good to me as well, that way if their third seed is good enough to dominate the Wildcards, they can still get in. No need to bicker about giving it to a specific region either, whatever team makes it out of play ins will probably be slaughtered anyway in their group. Maybe they'll take a few wins from the West and we get shit on again, but I'd honestly be super shocked if a 3rd place LMS/Wildcard team made it out of their group. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On May 23 2018 17:13 Yorbon wrote: There is practically no difference in performance in international tournaments (only counting worlds and msi in terms of teams getting out of groups) between NA and LMS for the last 4 years. But NA probably should have 3 tickets no matter their performance only based on popularity and Riot's commercial interest. My question would be who to give the third LMS ticket to. Are there overperforming small regions atm? I'm not too informed, but it's hard to think of one. Another option would be a region not yet participating. The last option would be to give it to another 'big' region. The only region with 3 tickets that's consistently overperforming compared to other 3 ticket regions is Korea, but I don't think many people are waiting for a fourth Korean squad. So at this moment, assuming 2017 tournament setup for 2018, I think giving LMS a third seed is reasonable. Edit: I counted a play-in spot as a ticket. I don't mind 4 korean teams, although I wonder if their run of dominance will continue this year. But I think Vietnam should be ugpraded in status (and NA downgraded) | ||
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