EPTRoyal Never Give Up Wins MSI 2018! - Page 17
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
On May 20 2018 23:20 loSleb wrote: People talking about recent Trump being president and other recent events fucked up our timeline, but China and especially Uzi winning an international tournament is were it actually all went wrong. Pls delete. LOL, who would you have win this tournament then? None of the other teams were deserving of the win. TL and EVOS bombed out so so hard; FW and FNC got crubstomped; KZ straight up inted, tilting off the face of the Earth RNG won cuz they know exactly what they needed to do, at what time period in the game with what resources they have, meanwhile we got KZ marching into fights that they had no business initiating, so yeah... Game 2 was charity btw, They still had fuking lead and still man-handled KZ, they just made one mistake. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
I was wondering for some time when China's player numbers and money would finally translate into something tangible in competitive. They clearly have the player talent now, only thing holding them back is that they do not have Korea's discipline. Maybe this marks a fundamental shift or maybe it was just KZ having an off tournament. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
So happy I didn't watch this live, the pauses reminded me of the dark days of LPL production. G1: Uzi stomping G2: BDD reminding us why you have to ban Irelia G3: Xiaohu giving Uzi the game on a gold platter G4: KZ give Uzi the one champion they should never even dream of letting him touch I feel like KZ were really wedged into a corner in G4 drafting. Is Karma really a first ban priority vs RNG over the likes of Kai'Sa? I can get banning Ez and Vlad, and Karma has a very good winrate this tournament while Kai'Sa does not, but come on, stats don't tell everything. You just have to watch the games Uzi played on her, he exploits her to the fullest. Especially because they then went on to ban 2 supports to try and stop Ming from getting a strong engager and stomp the bot lane. Ming has a big champion pool for a support, you can't ban him out, and there's no need for him to be on hard engage when Kai'Sa works well with Janna. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4773 Posts
He should've known that him getting suppressed would've completely fucked him and their team. I'm pretty sure he thought he'd be fast enough to ult the flash ult from Xiaohu, but he should've ulted WAY sooner and let Gorilla or someone else die for him instead. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
On May 21 2018 02:25 DarkCore wrote: Damn, thought KZ was gonna win, but this is starting to shape up into the year of Uzi. If he wins Worlds, he'd legit have finally overcome all his past failures. Pretty great results. But don’t overhype Uzi. RNG is still the second best LPL team, and unless Uzi has a reliable way to arrange for TheShy to get hand injuries right before next split’s playoffs as well, RNG probably doesn’t win next split or get a top seed into worlds. Also, teams with decent coaching will know how to click on KaiSa in the ban phase. Though to be fair, that last bit seems to have evaded a lot of teams at MSI and at playoffs in both LCK and LPL. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On May 21 2018 08:44 cLutZ wrote: The final reenforces my previous suspicion that lck needs a new gen of adc talent. I'll admit I've always been a Pray hater tho. idk. I think this was an especially bad tournament for Pray. He and Gorilla got first blooded in every second game. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Then they go out and poop their pants onstage, and my Pray hate doubles in size. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On May 21 2018 11:22 cLutZ wrote: Yes, but its still like, what I deep down have expected from him for several years. Like, anytime people have after the middle of S3 that "Pray is best ADC in Korea" I just groan and look around for another AD I like better, because I really hate him and don't think he's good. IDK why, maybe I just think his style is bad. I think Gorilla can be amazing, and also had a bad tournament, but I've always had irrational Pray hate, which means when even I think he is looking good in KR, it means I think the scene is becoming trash at the position. Then they go out and poop their pants onstage, and my Pray hate doubles in size. This talk has more to do with your meta-game preferences than performance issues. This tournament had the perfect set-up for AD carries of a particular mould, and there has never been a player who can quite replicate Uzi for the playstyle he prefers. PraY has never been the best AD carry out of Korea in terms of sheer laning mechanics, or ability to maximize DPS in any given situation through mechanical ability, outside of his debut season. If it is raw mechanical skill you are after, Deft is probably the most talented player to come out of Korea in terms of AD carries. However, he is so incomplete as a player it really does not matter how talented he is mechanically speaking. There has never been a player who has been immune to meta-game changes, even Faker struggles to adapt to certain meta-games from time to time. When utility based AD carries are in vogue, PraY will always be in the conversation for the greatest AD carry in the world. This is more of a debate of meta-game preferences, such as players who prefer assassins to control mages, players who prefer tanks to split-pushers. Surely there is more to the game than being able outdamage everybody and "carrying" the game, otherwise Huni would be one of the greatest players only held back by the meta-game hindering his ability to "carry". The current meta-game does not suit PraY, but I don't think there is a single AD carry on the planet who can claim to be clearly more meta-game resistant than PraY. Even during meta-games that "exposes" PraY's deficiencies as a player, he does not tend to disappear from the face of the earth to bide time for a meta-game that suits him specifically. With that being said, other AD carries with less following than PraY may have performed better in his place for this particular tournament. However, that does not negate the years of excellence PraY has had. Unless PraY is judged solely for his ability to replicate the playing style of Uzi or Deft, he was a top performing player for his position for years on end. Trying to judge players by ability alone is such a fickle approach, since everybody has a different notion of what constitutes "skill" and "ability". All such discussion really entails is what somebody appreciates in a player, and at that point we may as well be discussing figure skating. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 21 2018 08:44 cLutZ wrote: The final reenforces my previous suspicion that lck needs a new gen of adc talent. I'll admit I've always been a Pray hater tho. There is ADC talent like Teddy, it's just they don't have the best team around them. My real issue with LCK is Jungle/Top talent. Khan has shit the bed twice now in international tournament same with Peanut. Yet they looked amazing in LCK. What gives? | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On May 21 2018 20:01 General_Winter wrote: I wonder if it’s at the point where Korea should import talent. If KT brought in Mieko to play support and shot call I could see them being a top team. (Assuming they could fix the language thing) Wait, is it Mata's fault Deft's keyboard disconnects in late game and he walks into death brushes on a clock? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
KZ has similar issues but slightly different. They have players who just can't seem to perform if they are out of their comfort zones and things aren't going their way. This season basically echos last where they dominate the split then hit playoffs and fumble. This time Korean teams seem to have gotten a bit worse so they were able to keep styling but the exact same thing happened at MSI as Worlds. I don't think this is a coincidence. | ||
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