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On November 04 2017 19:17 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:16 Kinie wrote:On November 04 2017 19:10 starkiller123 wrote:On November 04 2017 19:08 Kinie wrote:
Ruler is definitely the MVP of the series. Just outplayed SKT's bot lane all three games and was the one who stepped up after throwing at last year's Worlds.
I want to see Peanut and Bang retire and SKT get a new ADC and just make Blank the starting jungler. lol peanut just needs to be on a different team, you are way overreacting No, Peanut's been weak all year long for SKT, and was almost always subbed out for Blank in the second game for the "download complete" strategy. Which worked ok for most of LCK and most of Worlds, but failed SKT at key moments this year (Worlds finals and LCK Summer finals). So let's see if I understand this right. Peanut has an absolutely fantastic year on ROX last year. He moves to SKT and doesn't have that great a year but does ok. This means he should retire?
I'm not saying he should retire, but he definitely needs to take some time to step back and either get his grind on or decide what type of jungler he wants to be.
On ROX he was solid, but this year he just seemed non-existent.
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If it's a pure style mismatch between Peanut and SKT's normal playstyle, then that needs to be a long discussion from both the players and the org to decide if they want to change. And prior to now, you would have no reason to doubt SKT's overall gameplay and strategy. But now they have to deal with a new, foreign emotion: losing on the biggest stage.
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You can level the same complaint vs. Huni too, because he just played as a carry in top even on tank champs. But it worked because he had the mechanics to pull it off, even if the worst part of his game is his Teleport usage. And for this Worlds meta it started shifting back to a mix of tanks and carries, and Huni by in large did what he had to do to get SKT a chance to win. But SKT as a whole just seemed nervous, which is a thing I didn't think I'd see.
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On November 04 2017 19:20 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:17 Numy wrote:On November 04 2017 19:16 Kinie wrote:On November 04 2017 19:10 starkiller123 wrote:On November 04 2017 19:08 Kinie wrote:
Ruler is definitely the MVP of the series. Just outplayed SKT's bot lane all three games and was the one who stepped up after throwing at last year's Worlds.
I want to see Peanut and Bang retire and SKT get a new ADC and just make Blank the starting jungler. lol peanut just needs to be on a different team, you are way overreacting No, Peanut's been weak all year long for SKT, and was almost always subbed out for Blank in the second game for the "download complete" strategy. Which worked ok for most of LCK and most of Worlds, but failed SKT at key moments this year (Worlds finals and LCK Summer finals). So let's see if I understand this right. Peanut has an absolutely fantastic year on ROX last year. He moves to SKT and doesn't have that great a year but does ok. This means he should retire? I'm not saying he should retire, but he definitely needs to take some time to step back and either get his grind on or decide what type of jungler he wants to be. On ROX he was solid, but this year he just seemed non-existent.
You literally said he should retire in your first post. A player didn't have a fantastic year on a new team and your reaction is he must retire now you changed that tune to just step back. Why? SKT has always preferred more of a control type jungler so getting Peanut was always a risk. He thrived in a team that allowed more fluid play to happen. Let's just see what he's like next year either on SKT or on another team.
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feel bad for faker. super hard to play with a losing botlane every game and he did so admirably
never seen him that sad 
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On November 04 2017 19:18 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:01 LightningStrike wrote:On November 04 2017 18:08 LightningStrike wrote:
I think this might be to much for SKT l like I thought being down 2-0 for the first time at worlds. Congrats Samgsung you guys earned it. Called it. Show nested quote +On September 17 2017 23:55 zer0das wrote:On September 17 2017 18:44 Scip wrote:On September 17 2017 07:38 zer0das wrote:On September 17 2017 03:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On Travis' League show one of the cohosts (I think it was Kelsey) argued in favor of the decision by saying something to the effect of "You can get Huni to play like Untara, but you'll never be able to get Untara to play like Huni" and I definitely agree. Its much easier to tone down Huni than teach Untara Huni's aggressive instincts given the few weeks they have.
Taking the junglers was definitely the no brainer part of the decision Bahaha, yeah it's easy to become the "long suffering top laner who plays tanks all the time and gets thrown under the bus for the team" when you're used to playing super aggressive and having a lot of your teams resources. Spoken like someone who has never played top lane, ever. I have hard time believing Huni could even achieve a Balls level of play with that style. Pretty sure SKT is going to get dumpstered this worlds by someone, and it is going to be because Huni is incapable of adapting. bookmarking this for when SKT win worlds Ban me for a year if they win. I don't even need a counter ban bet, I'm that confident they're not winning. Called it. Get rekt Scip. This was a delicious finals. Let's count the ways: 1. Faker repeatedly taking awful trades vs Malz voidings game 1, blowing his ults so he doesn't die and being a massive black hole of pressure all game long. 2. Faker wandering into the enemy jungle 1v4 with no vision as Karma mid. 3. Huni being absolutely useless and picking Yasuo top. 4. Peanut being a glorified minion, if minions didn't give vision. 5. Bang repeatedly saving Ruler. 6. Wolf also being completely useless. Although hard to fault him, they let Samsung get Janna twice. Given all the above, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to put SKT in the dumpster, this has been by far their weakest team that's actually made it to worlds. Across the board, they all looked awful except Faker. And even he looked like some random silver scrub playing Dora the Explorer in game 3.
FUCK I hoped you'd forget
you win this round, Zer0das
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On November 04 2017 19:20 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:17 Numy wrote:On November 04 2017 19:16 Kinie wrote:On November 04 2017 19:10 starkiller123 wrote:On November 04 2017 19:08 Kinie wrote:
Ruler is definitely the MVP of the series. Just outplayed SKT's bot lane all three games and was the one who stepped up after throwing at last year's Worlds.
I want to see Peanut and Bang retire and SKT get a new ADC and just make Blank the starting jungler. lol peanut just needs to be on a different team, you are way overreacting No, Peanut's been weak all year long for SKT, and was almost always subbed out for Blank in the second game for the "download complete" strategy. Which worked ok for most of LCK and most of Worlds, but failed SKT at key moments this year (Worlds finals and LCK Summer finals). So let's see if I understand this right. Peanut has an absolutely fantastic year on ROX last year. He moves to SKT and doesn't have that great a year but does ok. This means he should retire? I'm not saying he should retire, but he definitely needs to take some time to step back and either get his grind on or decide what type of jungler he wants to be. On ROX he was solid, but this year he just seemed non-existent. Edit: If it's a pure style mismatch between Peanut and SKT's normal playstyle, then that needs to be a long discussion from both the players and the org to decide if they want to change. And prior to now, you would have no reason to doubt SKT's overall gameplay and strategy. But now they have to deal with a new, foreign emotion: losing on the biggest stage. Edit 2: You can level the same complaint vs. Huni too, because he just played as a carry in top even on tank champs. But it worked because he had the mechanics to pull it off, even if the worst part of his game is his Teleport usage. And for this Worlds meta it started shifting back to a mix of tanks and carries, and Huni by in large did what he had to do to get SKT a chance to win. But SKT as a whole just seemed nervous, which is a thing I didn't think I'd see.
actually you did say he should retire
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On November 04 2017 19:23 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:20 Kinie wrote:On November 04 2017 19:17 Numy wrote:On November 04 2017 19:16 Kinie wrote:On November 04 2017 19:10 starkiller123 wrote:On November 04 2017 19:08 Kinie wrote:
Ruler is definitely the MVP of the series. Just outplayed SKT's bot lane all three games and was the one who stepped up after throwing at last year's Worlds.
I want to see Peanut and Bang retire and SKT get a new ADC and just make Blank the starting jungler. lol peanut just needs to be on a different team, you are way overreacting No, Peanut's been weak all year long for SKT, and was almost always subbed out for Blank in the second game for the "download complete" strategy. Which worked ok for most of LCK and most of Worlds, but failed SKT at key moments this year (Worlds finals and LCK Summer finals). So let's see if I understand this right. Peanut has an absolutely fantastic year on ROX last year. He moves to SKT and doesn't have that great a year but does ok. This means he should retire? I'm not saying he should retire, but he definitely needs to take some time to step back and either get his grind on or decide what type of jungler he wants to be. On ROX he was solid, but this year he just seemed non-existent. You literally said he should retire in your first post. A player didn't have a fantastic year on a new team and your reaction is he must retire now you changed that tune to just step back. Why? SKT has always preferred more of a control type jungler so getting Peanut was always a risk. He thrived in a team that allowed more fluid play to happen. Let's just see what he's like next year either on SKT or on another team.
Ok, I did. I was wrong and caught in the emotion of SKT losing. Sorry.
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so after the end of the summer split finals Samsung has gone 3-0 vs each of KT Skt and longzhu, that is actually insane
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On November 04 2017 19:18 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:01 LightningStrike wrote:On November 04 2017 18:08 LightningStrike wrote:
I think this might be to much for SKT l like I thought being down 2-0 for the first time at worlds. Congrats Samgsung you guys earned it. Called it. Show nested quote +On September 17 2017 23:55 zer0das wrote:On September 17 2017 18:44 Scip wrote:On September 17 2017 07:38 zer0das wrote:On September 17 2017 03:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On Travis' League show one of the cohosts (I think it was Kelsey) argued in favor of the decision by saying something to the effect of "You can get Huni to play like Untara, but you'll never be able to get Untara to play like Huni" and I definitely agree. Its much easier to tone down Huni than teach Untara Huni's aggressive instincts given the few weeks they have.
Taking the junglers was definitely the no brainer part of the decision Bahaha, yeah it's easy to become the "long suffering top laner who plays tanks all the time and gets thrown under the bus for the team" when you're used to playing super aggressive and having a lot of your teams resources. Spoken like someone who has never played top lane, ever. I have hard time believing Huni could even achieve a Balls level of play with that style. Pretty sure SKT is going to get dumpstered this worlds by someone, and it is going to be because Huni is incapable of adapting. bookmarking this for when SKT win worlds Ban me for a year if they win. I don't even need a counter ban bet, I'm that confident they're not winning. Called it. Get rekt Scip. This was a delicious finals. Let's count the ways: 1. Faker repeatedly taking awful trades vs Malz voidings game 1, blowing his ults so he doesn't die and being a massive black hole of pressure all game long. 2. Faker wandering into the enemy jungle 1v4 with no vision as Karma mid. 3. Huni being absolutely useless and picking Yasuo top. 4. Peanut being a glorified minion, if minions didn't give vision. 5. Bang repeatedly saving Ruler. 6. Wolf also being completely useless. Although hard to fault him, they let Samsung get Janna twice. Given all the above, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to put SKT in the dumpster, this has been by far their weakest team that's actually made it to worlds. Across the board, they all looked awful except Faker. And even he looked like some random silver scrub playing Dora the Explorer in game 3.
They are still the second best team in the world so chill on your insults man
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On November 04 2017 19:28 starkiller123 wrote:
so after the end of the summer split finals Samsung has gone 3-0 vs each of KT Skt and longzhu, that is actually insane
It is, I think very few people were predicting it. Many people thought this was the year of LZ, or that SKT would return to former strength, instead SSG just played solid, had perfect drafting, and disassembled all their opponents without showing anything extremely out of the ordinary.
Don't talk about KT, you'll make me start dreaming they might have won worlds if they had been here this year.
They are still the second best team in the world so chill on your insults man
3rd best I think, LZ is better. Hence they beat SKT in the playoff finals and came in as 1st seed. SKT have not looked like they've improved since.
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This was the weakest SKT has looked in their entire history, and this was probably the first year where Faker was playing more support champs than carry champs. Sure, he could deal damage on stuff like Cassio and Ryze, but it's not him on Zed or Azir dealing huge damage and roaming around the map with insane burst.
Part of that is due to how the meta shaped up over the course of the year, but I also wonder if that was due to Huni's playstyle no matter what he's on.
On November 04 2017 19:38 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:28 starkiller123 wrote:
so after the end of the summer split finals Samsung has gone 3-0 vs each of KT Skt and longzhu, that is actually insane It is, I think very few people were predicting it. Many people thought this was the year of LZ, or that SKT would return to former strength, instead SSG just played solid, had perfect drafting, and disassembled all their opponents without showing anything extremely out of the ordinary. Don't talk about KT, you'll make me start dreaming they might have won worlds if they had been here this year.
Everyone slept on SSG because they had no stars. Everyone knew them to be a team of talented players, but no star to focus on. Last year they thought it was Ruler, but then he threw pretty hard.
But it just ended up being a long anime redemption arc for Ruler as a whole, and this year he stepped up to slay SKT.
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On November 04 2017 19:40 Kinie wrote:This was the weakest SKT has looked in their entire history, and this was probably the first year where Faker was playing more support champs than carry champs. Sure, he could deal damage on stuff like Cassio and Ryze, but it's not him on Zed or Azir dealing huge damage and roaming around the map with insane burst. Part of that is due to how the meta shaped up over the course of the year, but I also wonder if that was due to Huni's playstyle no matter what he's on. Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:38 DarkCore wrote:On November 04 2017 19:28 starkiller123 wrote:
so after the end of the summer split finals Samsung has gone 3-0 vs each of KT Skt and longzhu, that is actually insane It is, I think very few people were predicting it. Many people thought this was the year of LZ, or that SKT would return to former strength, instead SSG just played solid, had perfect drafting, and disassembled all their opponents without showing anything extremely out of the ordinary. Don't talk about KT, you'll make me start dreaming they might have won worlds if they had been here this year. Everyone slept on SSG because they had no stars. Everyone knew them to be a team of talented players, but no star to focus on. Last year they thought it was Ruler, but then he threw pretty hard. But it just ended up being a long anime redemption arc for Ruler as a whole, and this year he stepped up to slay SKT.
last year all eyes were on Crown not Ruler
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On November 04 2017 19:44 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:40 Kinie wrote:This was the weakest SKT has looked in their entire history, and this was probably the first year where Faker was playing more support champs than carry champs. Sure, he could deal damage on stuff like Cassio and Ryze, but it's not him on Zed or Azir dealing huge damage and roaming around the map with insane burst. Part of that is due to how the meta shaped up over the course of the year, but I also wonder if that was due to Huni's playstyle no matter what he's on. On November 04 2017 19:38 DarkCore wrote:On November 04 2017 19:28 starkiller123 wrote:
so after the end of the summer split finals Samsung has gone 3-0 vs each of KT Skt and longzhu, that is actually insane It is, I think very few people were predicting it. Many people thought this was the year of LZ, or that SKT would return to former strength, instead SSG just played solid, had perfect drafting, and disassembled all their opponents without showing anything extremely out of the ordinary. Don't talk about KT, you'll make me start dreaming they might have won worlds if they had been here this year. Everyone slept on SSG because they had no stars. Everyone knew them to be a team of talented players, but no star to focus on. Last year they thought it was Ruler, but then he threw pretty hard. But it just ended up being a long anime redemption arc for Ruler as a whole, and this year he stepped up to slay SKT. last year all eyes were on Crown not Ruler
I forgot someone else, thanks for reminding me. Crown was also thought to be a person who could step up to be the star of SSG, but he also proved to be just one or two rungs below Faker.
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And this year, he had time to mull over how he played in Worlds 2016 and decided to just buffer the pressure and not try to win the lane, and resort to SSG's biggest strength: their teamwork.
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On November 04 2017 19:45 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 19:44 starkiller123 wrote:On November 04 2017 19:40 Kinie wrote:This was the weakest SKT has looked in their entire history, and this was probably the first year where Faker was playing more support champs than carry champs. Sure, he could deal damage on stuff like Cassio and Ryze, but it's not him on Zed or Azir dealing huge damage and roaming around the map with insane burst. Part of that is due to how the meta shaped up over the course of the year, but I also wonder if that was due to Huni's playstyle no matter what he's on. On November 04 2017 19:38 DarkCore wrote:On November 04 2017 19:28 starkiller123 wrote:
so after the end of the summer split finals Samsung has gone 3-0 vs each of KT Skt and longzhu, that is actually insane It is, I think very few people were predicting it. Many people thought this was the year of LZ, or that SKT would return to former strength, instead SSG just played solid, had perfect drafting, and disassembled all their opponents without showing anything extremely out of the ordinary. Don't talk about KT, you'll make me start dreaming they might have won worlds if they had been here this year. Everyone slept on SSG because they had no stars. Everyone knew them to be a team of talented players, but no star to focus on. Last year they thought it was Ruler, but then he threw pretty hard. But it just ended up being a long anime redemption arc for Ruler as a whole, and this year he stepped up to slay SKT. last year all eyes were on Crown not Ruler I forgot someone else, thanks for reminding me. Crown was also thought to be a person who could step up to be the star of SSG, but he also proved to be just one or two rungs below Faker.
no problem, Faker is just one of a kind at this point it seems
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I mean I know Crown said it was a mentally change, but the reality is mid just didn't matter as much as it did last year so skt couldn't exploit him
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On November 04 2017 19:49 Slusher wrote:
I mean I know Crown said it was a mentally change, but the reality is mid just didn't matter as much as it did last year so skt couldn't exploit him
Crown literally played malzahar. Probably the most brainless mid laner in the game.
Just look at how much work faker did in every game yet they still lost once it came to teamfighting due to his bot lane being useless.
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Samsung Galaxy has perfected the vision control play-style that SK Telecom T1 used to have with Bengi. It's even better that they don't have similar problems in the jungle that SKT T1 had. We thought SKT T1 was the pinnacle for League Of Legends but Samsung is rewriting history. Kk0ma and the rest of the staff are probably super jealous of the coaching staff behind Samsung because this team is going to even greater heights.
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On November 04 2017 20:03 Skitter wrote:
Samsung Galaxy has perfected the vision control play-style that SK Telecom T1 used to have with Bengi. It's even better that they don't have similar problems in the jungle that SKT T1 had. We thought SKT T1 was the pinnacle for League Of Legends but Samsung is rewriting history. Kk0ma and the rest of the staff are probably super jealous of the coaching staff behind Samsung because this team is going to even greater heights.
Ozone did it first.
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On November 04 2017 20:04 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 20:03 Skitter wrote:
Samsung Galaxy has perfected the vision control play-style that SK Telecom T1 used to have with Bengi. It's even better that they don't have similar problems in the jungle that SKT T1 had. We thought SKT T1 was the pinnacle for League Of Legends but Samsung is rewriting history. Kk0ma and the rest of the staff are probably super jealous of the coaching staff behind Samsung because this team is going to even greater heights.
Ozone did it first.
It's a meme.
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On November 04 2017 20:04 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 20:03 Skitter wrote:
Samsung Galaxy has perfected the vision control play-style that SK Telecom T1 used to have with Bengi. It's even better that they don't have similar problems in the jungle that SKT T1 had. We thought SKT T1 was the pinnacle for League Of Legends but Samsung is rewriting history. Kk0ma and the rest of the staff are probably super jealous of the coaching staff behind Samsung because this team is going to even greater heights.
Ozone did it first.
there is no greater height (NOT YET) in LOL than SKT, even if they lose here
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