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Join the LiquidLegends 2017 Worlds Pick'em Group! Ban bets!! Ban bets will continue for the duration of Worlds. You can place bet at any phase of Worlds; on individual games, series, whatever your heart desires. Bans will be enacted the day after Worlds ends, to ensure everyone can still post on LL while Worlds is ongoing. glhf~ - Winners in bold - better, better's win condition, bettee [ban duration for loser] - Yorbon, EDG fails to make it out of groups, vs DarkCore [1 week] - Sleight, Fnatic doesn't make it out of groups, vs AlterKot [2:1 weeks] - Apex, Gigabyte getting out of groups as a 1st place seed + TSM will finish 1st in their groups + Samsung will fail to qualify from their group + C9 will get out of their groups, vs JimmiC [1 week] - geript, Korean teams will win a combined 17 or more games in Groups, vs Gahlo [1 month] - geript, NA teams will win a combined 7 or less games in Groups, vs Torchise [1 month] - zer0das, SKT doesn't win Worlds, vs no one [1 year] - Zato-1, NA teams combined wins will be greater than or equal to EU teams combined wins, vs Yorbon [1 month] | ||
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Gahlo
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 23 2017 04:57 IceHism wrote: I don't get why so many people have this wet dream of a western front beating some eastern menace. I just want the better team to win and EU/NA failed to prove that. Gets to play on KR vs doesn't get to play on KR. | ||
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cLutZ
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On October 23 2017 16:43 cLutZ wrote: Sucks to be c9. Really seemed to crack in g4, and that g5 comp had such a difficult path to victory. Is cait-janna really that good? If so why ban xayah? I was told Varus walls Caitlyn then outscales (even if l haven't seen it). Is sej so much better than Gragas/etc that you should give away galio who kills cait's plan? cait janna one of the strongest laning duo right now, if not the strongest. xayah ban cause it's been one of mystic's top picks in the LPL varus does not outscale caitlyn. however varus is a soft counter to her in lane as he is not really affected by cait's range and can gank assist far better than she can with his cc. no, should not give galio in current meta. he is more valuable than sej. | ||
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Numy
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On October 23 2017 17:07 dsyxelic wrote: cait janna one of the strongest laning duo right now, if not the strongest. xayah ban cause it's been one of mystic's top picks in the LPL varus does not outscale caitlyn. however varus is a soft counter to her in lane as he is not really affected by cait's range and can gank assist far better than she can with his cc. no, should not give galio in current meta. he is more valuable than sej. Cait Janna is super strong, but when it falls behind the likes of Kog then it's a very weak lane. Cait is all about lane dominance right now, and she requires good team coordination to get stuff done with her before she starts to really off in comparison to the true Ardent abusers. She is noticeably weaker than before the nerfs, especially because she does 0 damage to the likes of Stoneplate Cho and tank Galio. I'd wager however that if Ardent gets nerfed into the ground, Cait might become a much bigger pick again because the risk is no longer as great. I'd argue the biggest flaw was not giving away galio or picking cait. The biggest issue was contractz being put on Sej. In a vacuum that trade is fine, sej is super strong but contractz has shown his strength on aggressive damage orientated junglers while being weak on tankier junglers. That hole in the jungle was what cost them so much in game 4 and 5. He was a big reason why they managed to win those 2 games. It shut down Condi which let their laners have a field day on WE. Sej jungle is busted though. Not picking her leaves her open to WE, or they have to ban her instead of other priority picks. It's a tough decision, but I think picking Sej was the better choice, C9 wasn't trying to execute any super snowbally comps except for Cait. | ||
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St3MoR
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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St3MoR
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GrandInquisitor
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 24 2017 01:27 chipmonklord17 wrote: What really sucked for C9 was not having vision of 957's ChoGath TP in game 1. Next thing you know they were blindsided by a mach 5 Cho Gath and lost all momentum because he kills Smoothie/Jensen. If they saw the TP incoming they don't walk in its direction and probably win the ensuing teamfight and the game They could have salvaged it to, if smoothie buffered his flash the way Sneaky did they won that fight as well. At which point they would had a 10k gold lead and baron as a seige comp into a team with no waveclear Oh well. Being that close to making it out is nothing but good. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 24 2017 02:05 GrandInquisitor wrote: I dunno, I think that game 5 was decided based on team comps. I mean, OK, if the Kog hard ints in lane, maybe you have a path to a snowball, but the realistic best case scenario for C9 was to get to a 5k gold lead and "throw". I don't think even SKT could have beaten WE in that game given the team comps. There just isn't any realistic hope of killing Kog through all his defenses, and Caitlyn has no hope of melting Cho'Gath/Gragas/Galio in the interim. That is exactly the point of looking at pick ban. C9 "could" have won, but they would have to thread the eye of a needle to get it done. Seems to me that widening the hole is what all the best picks so far have done. Janna, Galio, and Trist just seem to be doing things at all points of the game and epitomize this. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On October 23 2017 21:34 DarkCore wrote: Cait Janna is super strong, but when it falls behind the likes of Kog then it's a very weak lane. Cait is all about lane dominance right now, and she requires good team coordination to get stuff done with her before she starts to really off in comparison to the true Ardent abusers. She is noticeably weaker than before the nerfs, especially because she does 0 damage to the likes of Stoneplate Cho and tank Galio. I'd wager however that if Ardent gets nerfed into the ground, Cait might become a much bigger pick again because the risk is no longer as great. Sej jungle is busted though. Not picking her leaves her open to WE, or they have to ban her instead of other priority picks. It's a tough decision, but I think picking Sej was the better choice, C9 wasn't trying to execute any super snowbally comps except for Cait. I mean, you basically just agreed with what I said. I said cait janna is probably the best 'laning duo'. So yes obviously if she falls behind someone like Kog (which she should not) then she will be shit. Losing lane doesn't equate to your champ being weak in lane in general, it just mean you lost lane on a champ reliant on generating early leads lol. Sej is a good champ, but are you seriously going to argue that sej is more busted than galio? Yes she is strong, but there is a reason why sej is still left open a fair amount while galio has been almost perma banned | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I think the correct blind would have been Galio+Cait. WE would have picked Gragas anyway then if you still want the Sej you can take it. If WE take Sej then you just take Gragas or something else Contractz is more comfortable with. Sure she's a strong champ but the game isn't played in a vacuum. Looking at drafting/champs in ideal case isn't very useful when you talking about two teams playing in the current. You have to look at them in context. | ||
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Sleight
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On October 24 2017 06:38 Numy wrote: I actually think WE were banking on C9 picking up Sej. Condi hasn't looked comfortable on any tank jungler outside of Gragas. Contractz hasn't looked good on any pure tank jungler. So by taking away J4 they were hoping C9 fell into the trap of picking up a strong champ neither team actually wanted. This let them get away with everything. I think the correct blind would have been Galio+Cait. WE would have picked Gragas anyway then if you still want the Sej you can take it. If WE take Sej then you just take Gragas or something else Contractz is more comfortable with. Sure she's a strong champ but the game isn't played in a vacuum. Looking at drafting/champs in ideal case isn't very useful when you talking about two teams playing in the current. You have to look at them in context. Yes. This is correct theoretically. The problem is that we don't know how Impact and Jensen feel on those champs. If both of them can't play the champ at a high level, then you may screw yourself harder. Contractz on tank junglers is embarrassing. He needs to play someone who is a damage threat the first 10 minutes. He looks like hot garbage when he can't exert pressure himself. What he needed to do down bot G5 was what Condi did vs TSM. Sit bot side and just threaten. Make the lane a perma 3v2 threat and limit Gragas' option. Jensen and Impact would be fine left to their own devices But he doesn't know how to not be a proactive damage threat. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I'm ready for the dynasty. | ||
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General_Winter
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