Samsung win the 2017 World Championship! - Page 62

On October 16 2017 04:42 dsyxelic wrote:
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not gonna buy into china hype

Also Lulu overrated. A fine "okay I'll pick it" pick, but not worth trading for anything of high value.

Also. EDG (AKA Clearlove) is trash. People who thing EDG underperformed are wrong. They performed as expected. Picking winning lanes 6/6 times and winning 2/6 with superior talent, but retarded gameplay, is not underperforming, it is just amazing you were able to make worlds.

On October 15 2017 15:15 Kinie wrote:


I think it was more that C9 was worried about a more aggressive early/mid game and wanted to secure the lane for their top laner, which is why they banned Rumble in the first phase.

It was only after that EDG first picked the J4 that they realized they fucked up, and I think they were hoping that the Janna would be enough of a disengage vs. the J4 + Galio combo.

On October 16 2017 16:10 cLutZ wrote:
Still not feeling Shen or Ryze. NO TEAM has used their ults effectively consistently this tournament. Its possible that the channel on both needs to be reduced for the ults to work better in pro play. Its also possible that because this is a CC-heavy meta, they are harder to pull off.

Jarvan useless lategame without being good enough early.

Feel like Ori is ceding too much lane pressure for this meta. Particularly against picks that dont suck (aka Ryze).

Also Lulu overrated. A fine "okay I'll pick it" pick, but not worth trading for anything of high value.

Cait>Varus if you want lane pressure. Varus is terrible. Varus only is pickable if you have a plan to get massively ahead during Rageblade powerspike. This has not been accomplished. Kog also similarly overrated. If you are picking Kog, better to just build for lategame with BORK, IE, Hurricane, etc. Rageblade is perhaps the most overrated (because no one can use the 5 minute powerspike it gives you). Midgame is easy to stall right now. Its mostly irrelevant.

Also. EDG (AKA Clearlove) is trash. People who thing EDG underperformed are wrong. They performed as expected. Picking winning lanes 6/6 times and winning 2/6 with superior talent, but retarded gameplay, is not underperforming, it is just amazing you were able to make worlds.

On October 16 2017 17:29 DarkCore wrote:

I mean, Frosk (and I agreed with her) put them as the third strongest CN team. Many people who don't watch the LPL had lopsided opinions because they were first seed. But I still considered them good enough to beat C9 and AHQ, which they did in the second week comfortably.You underestimate the power of winning lanes, it's the reason SKT is considered so weak right now, and it opens up your macro possibilities. EDG's macro sucks, but I think with iBoy being such a sweet pickup they could focus on that in the next year. Point is, winning lane can translate to big momentum swings, look at LZ, the games they got ahead early they stomped.

On October 17 2017 17:16 geript wrote:
Why does thorin have such a hardon for LS? Like he barely pushes back against LS’s bullshit. Like it’s such complete and obvious dumbshit with generic mumbo jumbo.

TSM not losing in draft? Are you kidding me? Like thorin doesn’t seem like a dumbass. So why does he always want to jerk off LS?

On October 17 2017 22:26 Numy wrote:
I believe he also argued with Sufficency or PX about Ludens being a bad item. Every time his point was refuted he would create a more specific scenario to prove his point.

I think this kind of stems from the culture where being wrong means you lesser person or "loser". Debates of these nature do not have a winner or loser, in fact I'd argue at the end of the day they should always have everyone win. This is because if we get the most correct answer then as a whole we "win". So being on the wrong side isn't bad, it's just another side that needed representation. Having strong opinions is fine and healthy. The inability to admit fault is not healthy.