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Join the LiquidLegends 2017 Worlds Pick'em Group! Ban bets!! Ban bets will continue for the duration of Worlds. You can place bet at any phase of Worlds; on individual games, series, whatever your heart desires. Bans will be enacted the day after Worlds ends, to ensure everyone can still post on LL while Worlds is ongoing. glhf~ - Winners in bold - better, better's win condition, bettee [ban duration for loser] - Yorbon, EDG fails to make it out of groups, vs DarkCore [1 week] - Sleight, Fnatic doesn't make it out of groups, vs AlterKot [2:1 weeks] - Apex, Gigabyte getting out of groups as a 1st place seed + TSM will finish 1st in their groups + Samsung will fail to qualify from their group + C9 will get out of their groups, vs JimmiC [1 week] - geript, Korean teams will win a combined 17 or more games in Groups, vs Gahlo [1 month] - geript, NA teams will win a combined 7 or less games in Groups, vs Torchise [1 month] - zer0das, SKT doesn't win Worlds, vs no one [1 year] - Zato-1, NA teams combined wins will be greater than or equal to EU teams combined wins, vs Yorbon [1 month] | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
Nice positioning dlift | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Also Dash on the desk is the worst. Just always forcing everything. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9200 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 09 2017 06:31 AdsMoFro wrote: Calendar updated. Riot going with second weekdays split up by groups again. Can I be honest? I really like the 4 man FFA final day. Think of Worlds like a triathlon. First week tests your ability to prep and perform in a single game. Second week tests your ability to compete at a high level over multiple games against several opponents. Then the final obstacle is a series of Bo5s against harder and harder opponents. So whoever wins can't just be a Bo1 or a Bo5 monster. They can't just out prep their opponents. They have to be the whole package. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9200 Posts
Immortals vs GIGABYTE Marines - cheese time is over Longzhu vs Fnatic - Fnatic might survive few minutes longer Fnatic vs Immortals - B_N T_ITCH GIGABYTE Marines vs Longzhu GIGABYTE Marines vs Fnatic - Fnatic picks strong lanes and wins despite Levi doing weird stuff in their jungle Immortals vs Longzhu Fnatic might lose to GAM, doubt they can beat Immortals with their internal issues. The rest is obvious I think | ||
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geript
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 09 2017 13:28 geript wrote: I'm guessing the major issues with fanatic in part stem from EULCS stuff and FAnatic being rejected from NA. I think there's going to be another major shake up in fanatic similar to when Deilor left. I bet the whole line up gets scrapped after worlds. Pretty sure the issues are just that Soaz is a dick. | ||
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geript
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9200 Posts
Fnatic needs to expand their coaching staff. There is no way these players will fix this on their own. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 09 2017 21:13 Gahlo wrote: The problem with that solution is that Soaz is notorious as being anti-coach. They'd have to find a coach that either a) he can tolerate or b) find a new top laner. As much as I dislike Soaz, it's hard to argue against his level of play when his head is in the right place, so replacing him isn't easy. You are basically describing what Dardochs career would have been like if he started before S3, but everyone is replaceable. Fnatic just need to wake up and realize that taking a split or two to train a raw top laner is worth eliminating the perpetual disappointment that is Soazs complete lack of professionalism. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 09 2017 23:24 Sleight wrote: You are basically describing what Dardochs career would have been like if he started before S3, but everyone is replaceable. Fnatic just need to wake up and realize that taking a split or two to train a raw top laner is worth eliminating the perpetual disappointment that is Soazs complete lack of professionalism. Dardoch barely showed enough skill to be talked about in the same sentence as Soaz's career. Why that kid gets hyped up so much is beyond me. Training a new top laner won't accomplish anything in isolation. Fnatic needs a team. Not a collection of players. A actual team. They haven't bothered to get that going since Huni/RO left. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On October 09 2017 23:24 Sleight wrote: You are basically describing what Dardochs career would have been like if he started before S3, but everyone is replaceable. Fnatic just need to wake up and realize that taking a split or two to train a raw top laner is worth eliminating the perpetual disappointment that is Soazs complete lack of professionalism. At the same time, I don't know how well that org is willing to stomach such a realization. When Origen happened he left on his own accord and then they jumped at the chance to get him back. Given EU's struggling economic ecosystem and Soaz still having a ton of fans, it would be costly from an organizational standpoint too. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 09 2017 23:33 Numy wrote: Dardoch barely showed enough skill to be talked about in the same sentence as Soaz's career. Why that kid gets hyped up so much is beyond me. Training a new top laner won't accomplish anything in isolation. Fnatic needs a team. Not a collection of players. A actual team. They haven't bothered to get that going since Huni/RO left. I have been watching League since season 1 and I just simply don't think Soaz's career successes are based on some phenomenal playing ability. He was lucky enough to be on a Fnatic org with multiple top tier Western players back before anyone knew how to play the game. At his peak he was the best top in the West and his champion pool is theoretically limitless, but if we could transport a lot of current top laners through time and space to S1 aAa or S2-3 Fnatic, I am quite sure many would do as well or better. He gets a lot of credit for doing it with no role model and no coaching, but his career isn't beyond reproach. So that's why Dardoch is mentioned. Because he shows similar personality traits. His career is nothing because you *can't get away with the shit Soaz did in this day and age without having the titles already on your belt.* | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
All I see in Dardoch is a kid who can play super aggressive carry style while sacrificing team and that's it. He started with that and hasn't changed in over a year. He sucked giant ass anytime he played anything different. Why does he keep getting hyped up? | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
That's what makes his unprofessionalism so galling. It's not like he's hard carrying his team - the exact opposite, because he's actively costing them games. But he's blaming others and saying "if only I played carry tops I could carry these noobs". Plus, man, you are on a team with Rekkles. You cannot expect the team play around you when they have a much better talent on the team in a meta that favors them. It is like if Biofrost got mad they wouldn't let him play Brand/Zyra support for Doublelift, or if Keylor Navas insisted on taking penalties for Real Madrid ahead of CR7, or if you sign with the Patriots as a running back expecting the offense to be run through you. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 10 2017 00:21 Numy wrote: Dardoch has shown the ability to play one select style on 2 champions, Rengar and Kha'Zix. Soaz used to be the master of pulling out anything he needed to create an edge over the other team. He also formed the unit with Xpeke of doing crazy map movements. Soaz definitely was phenomenal when he was at this Peak. The guy used to be a role model for Korean top laners. Calling him lucky is to be on fnatic is just some huge revisionism. All I see in Dardoch is a kid who can play super aggressive carry style while sacrificing team and that's it. He started with that and hasn't changed in over a year. He sucked giant ass anytime he played anything different. Why does he keep getting hyped up? I honestly feel like you didn't even watch Dardoch play. I'd also like to see a source for Korean top laner role model. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On October 10 2017 02:40 Sleight wrote: I honestly feel like you didn't even watch Dardoch play. I'd also like to see a source for Korean top laner role model. I can't remember who said it, maybe Monte or Thoorin, but it was said of him that Koreans were literally in awe of his ability to play almost anything as well as he does with such little practice. In the west, that would be slam but in this case it was actual value. Like, if he was more korean (ie work ethic, hard practice, coachability, etc.) he would be an actual god in LoL instead of just a impressive player. Like he was a threat and could pull out something he hadn't played in years and still dominate on it. It's legit fair to say that he's a prodigy. It's also fair to compare him to Dardoch, Doublelift, Jensen, Piglet or others in the sense that he's very hard to work with. The major difference is that of those I mentioned, Dardoch and Piglet really haven't show the same ability to hard carry almost despite the meta. Fanatic knew what they were getting when the picked him back up; the problem is that he doesn't have the same strength in teamates currently. Rekkles hasn't been a top tier ADC in years; Jesiz is laughable. Their jungle is meh at best. You can't keep a handle on a hard to deal with player like Soaz if you aren't willing to invest in a top tier 4/5 players; at least have absolutely dominating Top/Jng/Mid so that you can put a safe "token" ADC like Steelback and a passable support. That way you can play through Mid/Top in most metas; you'd still struggle in the current ADC/Support focused meta, but you'd still be able to win. | ||
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