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Join the LiquidLegends 2017 Worlds Pick'em Group! Ban bets!! Ban bets will continue for the duration of Worlds. You can place bet at any phase of Worlds; on individual games, series, whatever your heart desires. Bans will be enacted the day after Worlds ends, to ensure everyone can still post on LL while Worlds is ongoing. glhf~ - Winners in bold - better, better's win condition, bettee [ban duration for loser] - Yorbon, EDG fails to make it out of groups, vs DarkCore [1 week] - Sleight, Fnatic doesn't make it out of groups, vs AlterKot [2:1 weeks] - Apex, Gigabyte getting out of groups as a 1st place seed + TSM will finish 1st in their groups + Samsung will fail to qualify from their group + C9 will get out of their groups, vs JimmiC [1 week] - geript, Korean teams will win a combined 17 or more games in Groups, vs Gahlo [1 month] - geript, NA teams will win a combined 7 or less games in Groups, vs Torchise [1 month] - zer0das, SKT doesn't win Worlds, vs no one [1 year] - Zato-1, NA teams combined wins will be greater than or equal to EU teams combined wins, vs Yorbon [1 month] | ||
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Sleight
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Man, SKT legit won the game because of one shockwave. That ended EDG's momentum and let them get back into the game. On October 06 2017 22:27 Sleight wrote: So C9 looked much better than TSM or IMT. nothing proactive about either of those two despite their victories. I honestly think C9 looks the best of all Western teams atm. They have weaknesses, but their macro is extremely clean, when they get ahead they clean house. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 06 2017 22:38 DarkCore wrote: Man, SKT legit won the game because of one shockwave. That ended EDG's momentum and let them get back into the game. Not the shockwave. It was the Wolf engage + Huni silence that set it all up for Faker and Bang to press R. What I don't understand is how SKT abuses leads so hard. What is it that they do that no other team does? This team with any advantage whatsoever just bone-crushes you, while other teams with Baron and major gold leads end up sitting outside the base not doing anything. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On October 06 2017 22:45 GrandInquisitor wrote: Not the shockwave. It was the Wolf engage + Huni silence that set it all up for Faker and Bang to press R. What I don't understand is how SKT abuses leads so hard. What is it that they do that no other team does? This team with any advantage whatsoever just bone-crushes you, while other teams with Baron and major gold leads end up sitting outside the base not doing anything. They find a way. Whether it's abusing your weaker macro. Whether it's having enough cc to have a blowout Teamfight. Whether it's finding a pick and leveraging it into objectives. It's going to sound dumb, but they find ways to win. I don't mean that they wait for the opponents to make a mistake and then capitalize. They active hunt for openings to abuse. They're always looking for what they can do to win. Most teams in SKTs position would ff at 15; pros even mentally checkout and do the "good effort" show for the crowd. SKT always plays to win regardless of the situation. So they win more often. In regards to worlds meta, it seems really interesting. Everyone's seemingly valuing Lulu for Lane, but I think Tariq, Janna and Rakan are all significantly better than her even though they're worse in lane. The ADC seems a bit irrelevant; but I think Twitch, Xayah and Tristana appear to be the best options. Midlane seems wide open and you can play whatever so long as it fits team comp and can lane. Other than the various cheese stuff, tanks seem to be the only good junglers with Sejuani and Gragas being heads above everything else. For top, it seems like you play a tank of choice. I kinda think that Galio and Maokai are the best, but everyone seems to be playing Cho for the scaling ult which tbh is mediocre in. Mid-late game due to his lack of reliable cc. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 06 2017 22:38 DarkCore wrote: NA didn't play any KR teams today though. Man, SKT legit won the game because of one shockwave. That ended EDG's momentum and let them get back into the game. I honestly think C9 looks the best of all Western teams atm. They have weaknesses, but their macro is extremely clean, when they get ahead they clean house. Agreed. Now G2 can make a case for best in the west tomorrow and Sunday, but unless IMT blows GAM off the map I am considering them a lost cause. TSM needs to step up. People talk about Jensen choking but Bjerg has this bad habit of turning invisible at Worlds. Jensen went toe to toe with Faker and showed no fear (and got outplayed admittedly). I want to see Bjerg play like LeagueLebron. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 06 2017 23:08 geript wrote: They find a way. Whether it's abusing your weaker macro. Whether it's having enough cc to have a blowout Teamfight. Whether it's finding a pick and leveraging it into objectives. It's going to sound dumb, but they find ways to win. I don't mean that they wait for the opponents to make a mistake and then capitalize. They active hunt for openings to abuse. They're always looking for what they can do to win. Most teams in SKTs position would ff at 15; pros even mentally checkout and do the "good effort" show for the crowd. SKT always plays to win regardless of the situation. So they win more often. In regards to worlds meta, it seems really interesting. Everyone's seemingly valuing Lulu for Lane, but I think Tariq, Janna and Rakan are all significantly better than her even though they're worse in lane. The ADC seems a bit irrelevant; but I think Twitch, Xayah and Tristana appear to be the best options. Midlane seems wide open and you can play whatever so long as it fits team comp and can lane. Other than the various cheese stuff, tanks seem to be the only good junglers with Sejuani and Gragas being heads above everything else. For top, it seems like you play a tank of choice. I kinda think that Galio and Maokai are the best, but everyone seems to be playing Cho for the scaling ult which tbh is mediocre in. Mid-late game due to his lack of reliable cc. I think that's the big thing with SKT. They are not indecisive at all. When you give them that tiny opening they will as a team all go for it. There's no hesitation or even moment to think. Every team member as a unit goes for that moment, that decision. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
It might not be adc but god bless the Marines | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On October 06 2017 11:24 Torchise wrote: For those that don't know, you can go on the eventvods website to watch all the games in the most spoiler-free way possible, if you care about that. Use the Youtube links provided since eventvods embeds the VOD directly while hiding the video length, suggested videos, etc. compared to directly watching the games on Youtube. A bit of a late reaction... I read the comments in the thread before watching to determine which games would be interesting. It's not really an issue for me. That site is awesome though! Thanks for the suggestion. So yeah, day two of vod watching begins. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 07 2017 00:36 ticklishmusic wrote: I think TSM was a combo of Sven inting and them having trouble against Taric. But in a standard game I don't think I'd say C9 is better than them or IMT for that matter. No one is saying C9 is the best team. Multiple people are saying C9 are the best performing team thus far. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On October 07 2017 01:40 Sleight wrote: No one is saying C9 is the best team. Multiple people are saying C9 are the best performing team thus far. Yeah, that was what I meant by my post too. C9 are doing things right in their games, think they've only had one real clown fiesta so far, the one where they fed bot super hard but then won through clean macro. Meanwhile FNC lives and dies by Rekkles's performance, throws vs IMT, and loses hard to GAM. TSM has a 50 minute stalemate that they won by chance, Misfits played to lose, G2 had a chance vs SSG but couldn't even get rolling, and IMT are doing OK. Hope they all step up in their next games, because I didn't find anything particularly impressive. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
Is Ryze a hard counter to something good? Why does he get so much priority? FW vs TSM How does TSM manage to make all their junglers play like shit??? Positively surprised they managed to stall the game out so cleanly. Had mixed feelings about picking Gnar into Taric but Hauntzer did great. Still believe TSM will place first. WE vs MSF What a boring game, even the highlight video is barely longer than 180 seconds. Ignar is awful, don't get why the team keeps him. Would say WE is slightly favored against FW. IMT vs FNC Soaz XD LZ vs GAM This was how I expected Marines' games to look like. Unlike Fnatic, LZ knew what they're doing. AHQ vs C9 Jungle Ezreal is disgusting. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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Sleight
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On October 07 2017 02:09 Sent. wrote: Kobe, Vedius and Pastrytime had terrible synergy today, last two were just annoying to hear Is Ryze a hard counter to something good? Why does he get so much priority? FW vs TSM How does TSM manage to make all their junglers play like shit??? Positively surprised they managed to stall the game out so cleanly. Had mixed feelings about picking Gnar into Taric but Hauntzer did great. Still believe TSM will place first. WE vs MSF What a boring game, even the highlight video is barely longer than 180 seconds. Ignar is awful, don't get why the team keeps him. Would say WE is slightly favored against FW. IMT vs FNC Soaz XD LZ vs GAM This was how I expected Marines' games to look like. Unlike Fnatic, LZ knew what they're doing. AHQ vs C9 Jungle Ezreal is disgusting. Ryze is safe, mobile, scales forever, and has a point and click snare. He has a lot of flexibility after tear and can start with one of 3 or 4 different components and do okay. Weaker midlaners default to Taliyah. Bullies default to Ryze. Now Taliyah is a waveclear machine and ryze is a DPS beast but that's what I've noticed. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Overall the level of casting in LoL is pretty low though imo, compared to say DotA2 | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On October 07 2017 03:20 Scip wrote: I'd say the top tier commentators are in no particular order Phreak, MonteCristo, Doa, Krepo (?) Overall the level of casting in LoL is pretty low though imo, compared to say DotA2 3 of those don't even cast LoL anymore haha, god that's sad. I'm also a fan of Deficio , and I've grown to like the LPL casters, though sometimes Frosk still gets on my nerves with her circlejerk mentality (much better than in the past though). | ||
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