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Poland3748 Posts
On April 28 2016 18:19 deeliman wrote:
Why is everyone overrating FW so much? I doubt any of you have even watched the finals. AHQ played terrible.
For me it's more about: at last Worlds the overall showing was KR > EU > LMS > LPL/NA
Since then KR stayed more or less the same, EU was gutted a bit by NA, LPL is perhaps just as chaotic as before and NA perhaps is slightly stronger. And LMS seems on the same level.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 28 2016 18:19 deeliman wrote:
Why is everyone overrating FW so much? I doubt any of you have even watched the finals. AHQ played terrible.
Because Flash Wolves have improved drastically throughout the season?
Idk, still expect RNG to be 2nd unless they fumble in round robin to play T1 in semis, if G2 plays FW in bo5, I'd be extremely happy to watch though.
T1 16-0.
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Supermassive will win.
Thaldrin best toplaner, imo.
Actual predictions:
T1
FW
G2
RNG
CLG
SUP
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On April 28 2016 18:22 deeliman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I will agree that CLG definitely looks like one of the weakest teams coming into MSI. However, a LOT of people were already discounting CLG in the NA LCS regular split, saying they're a 5th or 6th place team at best.
That argument only works in NA. CLG have gotten dumpstered in every international tournament.
Plus, I mean, come on. T1 and RNG could play exactly as dumb as TSM and beat CLG with ease. TSM almost rolled over CLG's shenanigans and they dont have Faker, Bang, Mata or even Wuxx/Xiaohu
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On April 29 2016 02:31 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 18:22 deeliman wrote:On April 27 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I will agree that CLG definitely looks like one of the weakest teams coming into MSI. However, a LOT of people were already discounting CLG in the NA LCS regular split, saying they're a 5th or 6th place team at best.
That argument only works in NA. CLG have gotten dumpstered in every international tournament. Plus, I mean, come on. T1 and RNG could play exactly as dumb as TSM and beat CLG with ease. TSM almost rolled over CLG's shenanigans and they dont have Faker, Bang, Mata or even Wuxx/Xiaohu
We can make all the speculations and theorycrafting we want.
All I'll say is this: I was the only person in the NA LCS playoffs thread to predict that TSM would beat C9 and IMT in playoffs, citing their playoffs buffs which people quickly dismissed.
I'm not going to discount CLG right away. I think that if any of the major regions don't prepare for CLG because they see the team as a free win, they're going to be in for a surprise. The question is whether or not any team will actually go in complacent this year.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 29 2016 08:11 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 02:31 cLutZ wrote:On April 28 2016 18:22 deeliman wrote:On April 27 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I will agree that CLG definitely looks like one of the weakest teams coming into MSI. However, a LOT of people were already discounting CLG in the NA LCS regular split, saying they're a 5th or 6th place team at best.
That argument only works in NA. CLG have gotten dumpstered in every international tournament. Plus, I mean, come on. T1 and RNG could play exactly as dumb as TSM and beat CLG with ease. TSM almost rolled over CLG's shenanigans and they dont have Faker, Bang, Mata or even Wuxx/Xiaohu We can make all the speculations and theorycrafting we want. All I'll say is this: I was the only person in the NA LCS playoffs thread to predict that TSM would beat C9 and IMT in playoffs, citing their playoffs buffs which people quickly dismissed. I'm not going to discount CLG right away. I think that if any of the major regions don't prepare for CLG because they see the team as a free win, they're going to be in for a surprise. The question is whether or not any team will actually go in complacent this year.
To lose when you're complacent on the international stage, the other team need to be at least close in skill.
CLG doesn't have anything to win internationally, their laners are weak, Xmithie is negated by way superior junglers and in general, most teams have a distinct playstyle, not the chaos "pls send help" one you have in nearly all North American teams.
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On April 29 2016 08:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 08:11 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 29 2016 02:31 cLutZ wrote:On April 28 2016 18:22 deeliman wrote:On April 27 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I will agree that CLG definitely looks like one of the weakest teams coming into MSI. However, a LOT of people were already discounting CLG in the NA LCS regular split, saying they're a 5th or 6th place team at best.
That argument only works in NA. CLG have gotten dumpstered in every international tournament. Plus, I mean, come on. T1 and RNG could play exactly as dumb as TSM and beat CLG with ease. TSM almost rolled over CLG's shenanigans and they dont have Faker, Bang, Mata or even Wuxx/Xiaohu We can make all the speculations and theorycrafting we want. All I'll say is this: I was the only person in the NA LCS playoffs thread to predict that TSM would beat C9 and IMT in playoffs, citing their playoffs buffs which people quickly dismissed. I'm not going to discount CLG right away. I think that if any of the major regions don't prepare for CLG because they see the team as a free win, they're going to be in for a surprise. The question is whether or not any team will actually go in complacent this year. To lose when you're complacent on the international stage, the other team need to be at least close in skill. CLG doesn't have anything to win internationally, their laners are weak, Xmithie is negated by way superior junglers and in general, most teams have a distinct playstyle, not the chaos "pls send help" one you have in nearly all North American teams.
I have a hard time believing that KOO Tigers were close in skill to World Elite at IEM Katowice.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 29 2016 08:23 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 08:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 29 2016 08:11 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 29 2016 02:31 cLutZ wrote:On April 28 2016 18:22 deeliman wrote:On April 27 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I will agree that CLG definitely looks like one of the weakest teams coming into MSI. However, a LOT of people were already discounting CLG in the NA LCS regular split, saying they're a 5th or 6th place team at best.
That argument only works in NA. CLG have gotten dumpstered in every international tournament. Plus, I mean, come on. T1 and RNG could play exactly as dumb as TSM and beat CLG with ease. TSM almost rolled over CLG's shenanigans and they dont have Faker, Bang, Mata or even Wuxx/Xiaohu We can make all the speculations and theorycrafting we want. All I'll say is this: I was the only person in the NA LCS playoffs thread to predict that TSM would beat C9 and IMT in playoffs, citing their playoffs buffs which people quickly dismissed. I'm not going to discount CLG right away. I think that if any of the major regions don't prepare for CLG because they see the team as a free win, they're going to be in for a surprise. The question is whether or not any team will actually go in complacent this year. To lose when you're complacent on the international stage, the other team need to be at least close in skill. CLG doesn't have anything to win internationally, their laners are weak, Xmithie is negated by way superior junglers and in general, most teams have a distinct playstyle, not the chaos "pls send help" one you have in nearly all North American teams. I have a hard time believing that KOO Tigers were close in skill to World Elite at IEM Katowice.
Expecting RNG, FW, SKT T1 or G2 to choke against CLG is like uuuh.
Yea.
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On April 29 2016 08:28 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 08:23 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 29 2016 08:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 29 2016 08:11 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 29 2016 02:31 cLutZ wrote:On April 28 2016 18:22 deeliman wrote:On April 27 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I will agree that CLG definitely looks like one of the weakest teams coming into MSI. However, a LOT of people were already discounting CLG in the NA LCS regular split, saying they're a 5th or 6th place team at best.
That argument only works in NA. CLG have gotten dumpstered in every international tournament. Plus, I mean, come on. T1 and RNG could play exactly as dumb as TSM and beat CLG with ease. TSM almost rolled over CLG's shenanigans and they dont have Faker, Bang, Mata or even Wuxx/Xiaohu We can make all the speculations and theorycrafting we want. All I'll say is this: I was the only person in the NA LCS playoffs thread to predict that TSM would beat C9 and IMT in playoffs, citing their playoffs buffs which people quickly dismissed. I'm not going to discount CLG right away. I think that if any of the major regions don't prepare for CLG because they see the team as a free win, they're going to be in for a surprise. The question is whether or not any team will actually go in complacent this year. To lose when you're complacent on the international stage, the other team need to be at least close in skill. CLG doesn't have anything to win internationally, their laners are weak, Xmithie is negated by way superior junglers and in general, most teams have a distinct playstyle, not the chaos "pls send help" one you have in nearly all North American teams. I have a hard time believing that KOO Tigers were close in skill to World Elite at IEM Katowice. Expecting RNG, FW, SKT T1 or G2 to choke against CLG is like uuuh. Yea. I'm not expecting anything. I just think people are too quick to make assumptions about the results of MSI beyond SKT winning.
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Poland3748 Posts
Interesting. No team has 2nd place as most probable outcome. But g2 is closest
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So Europe vs Taiwan vs China for who sucks the least.
I guess it can be fun.
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How many times does China have to get BTFO'd before people stop expecting them to be 2nd?
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On April 29 2016 08:11 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 02:31 cLutZ wrote:On April 28 2016 18:22 deeliman wrote:On April 27 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I will agree that CLG definitely looks like one of the weakest teams coming into MSI. However, a LOT of people were already discounting CLG in the NA LCS regular split, saying they're a 5th or 6th place team at best.
That argument only works in NA. CLG have gotten dumpstered in every international tournament. Plus, I mean, come on. T1 and RNG could play exactly as dumb as TSM and beat CLG with ease. TSM almost rolled over CLG's shenanigans and they dont have Faker, Bang, Mata or even Wuxx/Xiaohu We can make all the speculations and theorycrafting we want. All I'll say is this: I was the only person in the NA LCS playoffs thread to predict that TSM would beat C9 and IMT in playoffs, citing their playoffs buffs which people quickly dismissed. I'm not going to discount CLG right away. I think that if any of the major regions don't prepare for CLG because they see the team as a free win, they're going to be in for a surprise. The question is whether or not any team will actually go in complacent this year.
That "buff" has almost never worked in international competition though. I have a hard time believing it will at MSI.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Dunno, I'm kind of not hyped for this years MSI :< No competition for SKT at all.
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On May 03 2016 01:00 739 wrote:
Dunno, I'm kind of not hyped for this years MSI :< No competition for SKT at all.
It's at a terrible time to watch as well. They put CLG vs G2 as the first game of the day so EU can't even watch  . Meh, at least I should be able to catch SKT vs G2 and Flash Wolves vs SKT if timetable works out.
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Based on having watched only the LPL finals, I will predict that RNG will come in 2nd.
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Would be better if we had top 2 teams from each region since the worlds pool seeding is supposed to reflect regional strength.
Then we'd be guaranteed some interesting games with KR vs KR, as well as seeing regional depth stack up, esp G2/OG having very different playstyles and AHQ dominating LMS only to have FW crazy playoffs buff.
I think G2 have a good chance to take 2nd since they're really well suited for the current meta, but I'm cheering for RNG because I'm still living in S2 when China was a good region.
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Poland3748 Posts
On May 03 2016 15:55 Zess wrote:
Would be better if we had top 2 teams from each region since the worlds pool seeding is supposed to reflect regional strength.
Then we'd be guaranteed some interesting games with KR vs KR, as well as seeing regional depth stack up, esp G2/OG having very different playstyles and AHQ dominating LMS only to have FW crazy playoffs buff.
I think G2 have a good chance to take 2nd since they're really well suited for the current meta, but I'm cheering for RNG because I'm still living in S2 when China was a good region.
I think it will be more fun if there will same bracket for runners-up.
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I want to see China rekt again
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So is this tournament more interesting then Regular Season NA LCS?
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EPT
