On March 04 2016 22:02 MuddyJam wrote:
TSM won yet? i saw they had a huge lead early and left to go watch sc2
TSM won yet? i saw they had a huge lead early and left to go watch sc2
They just lost the game
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Fusilero
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On March 04 2016 22:02 MuddyJam wrote: TSM won yet? i saw they had a huge lead early and left to go watch sc2 They just lost the game | ||
Disengaged
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Redox
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. | ||
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Disengaged
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On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. I think it can work but not to the same success as having a single dedicated main shotcaller, which Yellowstar is. | ||
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MuddyJam
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On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. depends how you define it. Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options. Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 04 2016 22:08 MuddyJam wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote: On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. depends how you define it. Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options. Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics How the fuck is giving information shotcalling?????? Saying "x used flash we can dive bot" is not fucking shotcalling. | ||
Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On March 04 2016 22:08 MuddyJam wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote: On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. depends how you define it. Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options. Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics We've heard how TSM does their shotcalling through numerous "Mic checks" though. They shout over one another while Yellowstar can barely be heard through it all | ||
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On March 04 2016 22:12 Radoq wrote: Wait, Riot allowed G2A ad? It's ESL stream, not Riot's. | ||
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MuddyJam
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On March 04 2016 22:10 Disengaged wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2016 22:08 MuddyJam wrote: On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote: On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. depends how you define it. Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options. Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics We've heard how TSM does their shotcalling through numerous "Mic checks" though. They shout over one another while Yellowstar can barely be heard through it all shot calling is not managing a tf. Macro play has nothing to do with how a team fight is played out. You could have beautiful calling during a tf and still be a clown fiesta and vise versa. The mic checks you see in riots stuff makes for a nice 5 minute video but doesn't really give much insight. A better example would be the mic check on SKT a while back where they are planning mores for the next minute talking about rengar ulti and what is there plan. | ||
Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 04 2016 22:10 nafta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2016 22:08 MuddyJam wrote: On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote: On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. depends how you define it. Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options. Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics How the fuck is giving information shotcalling?????? Saying "x used flash we can dive bot" is not fucking shotcalling. You can also include stuff like "we should dive bot, no summs" in giving information or in shotcalling. In any case having no designated shot caller (Hai style) is standard. | ||
ramon
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nafta
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On March 04 2016 22:15 Redox wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2016 22:10 nafta wrote: On March 04 2016 22:08 MuddyJam wrote: On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote: On March 04 2016 22:04 Disengaged wrote: Seriously though, why the hell pick up Yellowstar if your not going to utilize his shotcalling ability? The democratic shotcalling can work, yes, but it hasn't been working out for TSM for a long time so its time for them to change the shotcalling. Everytime I hear TSM comms, all I hear is yelling/talking over eachother, and Yellowstar is drowned out due to the noise and cant really be heard. Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh. depends how you define it. Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options. Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics How the fuck is giving information shotcalling?????? Saying "x used flash we can dive bot" is not fucking shotcalling. You can also include stuff like "we should dive bot, no summs" in giving information or in shotcalling. In any case having no designated shot caller (Hai style) is standard. No you can't put that in shotcalling. Making a decision and offering a decision has nothing in common. If you use the words can/should/etc you aren't shotcalling. | ||
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