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On January 24 2016 08:11 MoonBear wrote:
TL has this problem they've carried over since last year where they have a lot of problems playing comps where their initiation is skill-based and not guaranteed (compared to hard CC stuff like Vi/Liss).
TL also has a problem where in the mid game if they don't know what to do they just sit back and farm the lanes. They just sit around and wait for something to happen.
Another problem is that Piglet soaks up a lot of the farm. In the mid game he kept rotating through the lanes, taking the farm avaliable, and then recalling to go do the same in another lane. That places a lot of stress on TL because the waves in each lane are now pushed up which exposes anyone else (normally the top laner) to a lot of risk if they need to farm or fall behind economically, which makes snowballing top very early even more important. Things like needing to TP bot this game created a 20 cs deficit at the very start since the big wave pushing into inner tower all got left behind and then Lourlo was underwhelming not just because of his failed Flashes but was too economicall behind to matter in general.
Piglet's playstyle is also stressing on the team because not grouping with team forces the rest of team to 4v5 and make it harder to defend the fast pushes or contest objectives. So TL's natural mentality is to go into that stall farm mode rather then be proactive. Leads don't get pushed.
As much as Dardoch and Matt are great, unless they snowball a lane (pref top) really hard early game, this isn't something them joining will fix. This is about how TL plays and rotates midgame.
I don't think so. Piglet stayed in his lane for the first 10 minutes and there were only a few instances he went to another lane. One being midlane when Fenix died and he let the wave push back in so that Fenix could get it when he respawned (this was also after he got bot turret so it's a standard rotation).
The other when Lourlo and Piglet swapped since Lourlo was getting completely zoned by Zion and getting froze on. Piglet went up to break the freeze and then came straight back mid for the teamfight TL won. Pretty sure that was a decision made by someone so that Lourlo doesn't get dicked on by Fiora.
Zion went straight back down bot to match where Lourlo was and then solo-killed him when he got there.
The early TP fucked Lourlo bad, I watched the replay several times and I think he should've just cancelled after seeing CLG turn around and dardoch arriving shortly after. Pretty sure it'd be much better to chance a 3v4 turret defend than Lourlo getting fucked over that badly.
On top of that, most of the blame there goes to Fenix I think. 10 seconds prior he burned TP just to get the early greed tear even though he was full health. Honestly he either A) goes standard doran's ring and not greed for early tear B) save the TP and just walk back so that you can prevent your top laner from having to burn TP after he just got the chance to take a wave.
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On January 24 2016 08:23 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 08:23 Fusilero wrote:On January 24 2016 08:22 DystopiaX wrote:On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 08:06 Slusher wrote:On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote:poppy Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I remember Quinn being used as a counter though. LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving He really hasn't looked bad this year 
theyve played emf freecs longzhu SKT
only SKT looked like a great team
plus he's getting carried by CoreJJ/Stitch
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I guess Renigades is going for a ton of waweclear so they can kill minions fast and open up for Thresh hooks.
But yeh not sure how that works vs Tahm Kench.
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Poll: Who wins?Kirei Elise (4) 57% Remilia Thresh (3) 43% 7 total votes Your vote: Who wins? (Vote): Remilia Thresh
(Vote): Kirei Elise
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:26 dsyxelic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 08:11 MoonBear wrote:
TL has this problem they've carried over since last year where they have a lot of problems playing comps where their initiation is skill-based and not guaranteed (compared to hard CC stuff like Vi/Liss).
TL also has a problem where in the mid game if they don't know what to do they just sit back and farm the lanes. They just sit around and wait for something to happen.
Another problem is that Piglet soaks up a lot of the farm. In the mid game he kept rotating through the lanes, taking the farm avaliable, and then recalling to go do the same in another lane. That places a lot of stress on TL because the waves in each lane are now pushed up which exposes anyone else (normally the top laner) to a lot of risk if they need to farm or fall behind economically, which makes snowballing top very early even more important. Things like needing to TP bot this game created a 20 cs deficit at the very start since the big wave pushing into inner tower all got left behind and then Lourlo was underwhelming not just because of his failed Flashes but was too economicall behind to matter in general.
Piglet's playstyle is also stressing on the team because not grouping with team forces the rest of team to 4v5 and make it harder to defend the fast pushes or contest objectives. So TL's natural mentality is to go into that stall farm mode rather then be proactive. Leads don't get pushed.
As much as Dardoch and Matt are great, unless they snowball a lane (pref top) really hard early game, this isn't something them joining will fix. This is about how TL plays and rotates midgame. I don't think so. Piglet stayed in his lane for the first 10 minutes and there were only a few instances he went to another lane. One being midlane when Fenix died and he let the wave push back in so that Fenix could get it when he respawned (this was also after he got bot turret so it's a standard rotation). The other when Lourlo and Piglet swapped since Lourlo was getting completely zoned by Zion and getting froze on. Piglet went up to break the freeze and then came straight back mid for the teamfight TL won. Pretty sure that was a decision made by someone so that Lourlo doesn't get dicked on by Fiora. Zion went straight back down bot to match where Lourlo was and then solo-killed him when he got there. The early TP fucked Lourlo bad, I watched the replay several times and I think he should've just cancelled after seeing CLG turn around and dardoch arriving shortly after. Pretty sure it'd be much better to chance a 3v4 turret defend than Lourlo getting fucked over that badly. On top of that, most of the blame there goes to Fenix I think. 10 seconds prior he burned TP just to get the early greed tear even though he was full health. Honestly he either A) goes standard doran's ring and not greed for early tear B) save the TP and just walk back so that you can prevent your top laner from having to burn TP after he just got the chance to take a wave. Yeah that was a game where Fenix needed to step up. Matt-Dardoch were there to get us through the early game so lategame Ryze does Ryze things. But that never happened because Fenix got so far behind.
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Why does Dig and Ren have to play with subs this week again?
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i love how remilia pushes the boobs into the cam to make twitch chat crazy
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On January 24 2016 08:23 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 08:06 Slusher wrote:On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote:poppy Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I mean her team fucked her on laneswap and Poppy still couldn't be 1v1d by Fiora
As I remember she farmed under tower. But yeh, she seems strong enough so that she cannot be completely assraped as many other champions.
Thoughts on Poppy in teamfights vs Fiora? I guess she offers more engage and disengage, hence making her a better pick in teamfights.
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On January 24 2016 08:29 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 08:23 Slusher wrote:On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 08:06 Slusher wrote:On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote:poppy Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I mean her team fucked her on laneswap and Poppy still couldn't be 1v1d by Fiora As I remember she farmed under tower. But yeh, she seems strong enough so that she cannot be completely assraped as many other champions. Thoughts on Poppy in teamfights vs Fiora? I guess she offers more engage and disengage, hence making her a better pick in teamfights.
also legit tanky enough to like, 1v4 and do significant damage
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On January 24 2016 08:28 MooMooMugi wrote:
Why does Dig and Ren have to play with subs this week again?
Visa shenanigans
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:26 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 08:23 Ansibled wrote:On January 24 2016 08:23 Fusilero wrote:On January 24 2016 08:22 DystopiaX wrote:On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 08:06 Slusher wrote:On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote:poppy Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I remember Quinn being used as a counter though. LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving He really hasn't looked bad this year theyve played emf freecs longzhu SKT only SKT looked like a great team plus he's getting carried by CoreJJ/Stitch
How dare you doubt stitch, the only man to pentakill. Everyone knows LMS ADC pentakills reflect their skill so much.
Raison pentakills: 0
AN pentakills: 0
NL pentakills: Out of control
NL best ADC
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On January 24 2016 08:32 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 08:26 DystopiaX wrote:On January 24 2016 08:23 Ansibled wrote:On January 24 2016 08:23 Fusilero wrote:On January 24 2016 08:22 DystopiaX wrote:On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 08:06 Slusher wrote:On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote:poppy Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I remember Quinn being used as a counter though. LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving He really hasn't looked bad this year theyve played emf freecs longzhu SKT only SKT looked like a great team plus he's getting carried by CoreJJ/Stitch How dare you doubt stitch, the only man to pentakill. Everyone knows LMS ADC pentakills reflect their skill so much. Raison pentakills: 0 AN pentakills: 0 NL pentakills: Out of control NL best ADC
how is that me doubting he's been carrying samsung
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:33 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 08:32 Fusilero wrote:On January 24 2016 08:26 DystopiaX wrote:On January 24 2016 08:23 Ansibled wrote:On January 24 2016 08:23 Fusilero wrote:On January 24 2016 08:22 DystopiaX wrote:On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 08:06 Slusher wrote:On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote:poppy Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I remember Quinn being used as a counter though. LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving He really hasn't looked bad this year theyve played emf freecs longzhu SKT only SKT looked like a great team plus he's getting carried by CoreJJ/Stitch How dare you doubt stitch, the only man to pentakill. Everyone knows LMS ADC pentakills reflect their skill so much. Raison pentakills: 0 AN pentakills: 0 NL pentakills: Out of control NL best ADC how is that me doubting he's been carrying samsung
You make it sound like it's a bad thing to get carried by the gods Stich and CoreJJ
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Digi botlane losing w/ Lucian/Ali losing to Corki/Thresh with sub ADC. Not impressed.
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On January 24 2016 08:38 Hider wrote:
Digi botlane losing w/ Lucian/Ali losing to Corki/Thresh with sub ADC. Not impressed.
Let's just say that if LCS had the equivalent of Razzie awards, Kiwi would win it every year
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Shiptur hitting every charm.
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Wow Billy, didn't catch that live ahah
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lmoa that TP
NA TP 
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