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I wonder when these teams decided on their roster that so many players are getting hit by this. Seems so weird. I know that the process probably isn't easy, but there's so many players.
On January 24 2016 05:36 Radoq wrote: LOL is Hai like that genius controling other members? Cloud 9 with and without Hai is so far from each other that its interesting.
Hai micromanages pretty hard in ranked 5s on stream so I'm guessing yea
I debated between putting Jensen or Darshan in my fantasy team flex position. I figured that Jensen would dumpster Gate in midlane and c9 would beat tip easily, so i put jensen on
On January 24 2016 05:41 Mondeezy wrote: Ok, wth is going on C9
based on how much hai micromanages his teammates on stream 5s, if c9 is anything like that I honestly don't think his team has had to think for themselves since they've been on the team. Rush is a soloq jungler and this is jensen's first pro team, don't forget he looked terrible till hai jg last year too.
On January 24 2016 05:41 Mondeezy wrote: Ok, wth is going on C9
based on how much hai micromanages his teammates on stream 5s, if c9 is anything like that I honestly don't think his team has had to think for themselves since they've been on the team. Rush is a soloq jungler and this is jensen's first pro team, don't forget he looked terrible till hai jg last year too.
Everyone on c9 has atrophied frontal lobes, because Hai does all th thinking for everyone.
On January 24 2016 05:44 chipmonklord17 wrote: Is there a reason why C9 couldn't run with Balls/Hai/Incarnation/Sneaky/Bunny? Like is Hai locked in as a support sub?
people were making fun of that guy who said Hai would be a good SC2 player last week but we didn't realize that he literally was playing SC2 customs and controlling the 4 other champs on cloud 9 all this time
On January 24 2016 05:50 Fusilero wrote: How does a Lee Sin this bad have 100% kill participation, this is the most meme jungle performance I've seen since welcome to heaven on coast.
But this lee sin is actually winning :[
he's actually a god he's just sandbagging his mechanics
Like can we just have C9 disband right now so we don't have to deal with the inevitable season where Hai's wrists finally give out and he has to retire.
But wow C9. I mean, it's been a much harped on topic, but really. Losing to TiP with a sub top-laner who hasn't had a chance to synergize with his team is some new levels of wtf.
On January 24 2016 05:48 Dan HH wrote: I'll never undestand the point of blue build Ez mid, when he does 10x more damage AP
AP ezreal just cant clear a wave without ult. You have to play 4v5 early game because the ezreal is constantly pushed in.
also the kiting with bluEz is crazy. You can just kite back and back as a team. Then they ate so much dmg you can then turn and can stick to them because of the chain slows
On January 24 2016 06:10 TitusVI wrote: why change hai anyway. hes okay in support. Better hire a second toplaner and second mit maybe second jungle also.
Hai doesn't want to be a full time pro. It's not the team wanting him gone, he wants out.
On January 24 2016 06:10 TitusVI wrote: why change hai anyway. hes okay in support. Better hire a second toplaner and second mit maybe second jungle also.
On January 24 2016 06:10 TitusVI wrote: why change hai anyway. hes okay in support. Better hire a second toplaner and second mit maybe second jungle also.
On January 24 2016 06:14 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think what blows my mind the most is that this stark difference is so noticeable you'd think the team would do something to try and change it
Well none of the players are used to thinking for themselves as a team so it's not something easy to fix. You don't just suddenly go from being micromanaged to being able to play on your own.
On January 24 2016 06:10 TitusVI wrote: why change hai anyway. hes okay in support. Better hire a second toplaner and second mit maybe second jungle also.
On January 24 2016 06:14 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think what blows my mind the most is that this stark difference is so noticeable you'd think the team would do something to try and change it
Well none of the players are used to thinking for themselves as a team so it's not something easy to fix. You don't just suddenly go from being micromanaged to being able to play on your own.
On January 24 2016 06:43 Slusher wrote: I feel like if IMT initates there the fight goes the exact opposite
Yea really feel like Pob should have just gone in and ultied himself in the choke instead of letting them walk through. One of those new team/scared shotcalling things.
That fight looked totally fine for IMT to me, after they killed Sven. Then Pobelter just suicided when they could have easily at least defended their advantage.
On January 24 2016 06:47 Shikyo wrote: That fight looked totally fine for IMT to me, after they killed Sven. Then Pobelter just suicided when they could have easily at least defended their advantage.
What I don't get is why even do the baron, if your top gets a solo kill in the split push contest you just carry on with the splitpush. Death timers are way too low to justify the risk of going baron instead of just pushing and sieging in the 5v4 situation, especially with TSM's siege comp
We've got a siege comp with Caitlyn, just killed one guy on a low death timer, and are vs a bunch of champs who fight well in the Baron pit, better do what's at best a 60:40 baron. Oops we lost.
7 items between YS and Dlift and no cleanse vs Liss. So they lost the game in *two* embarassing ways.
wtf is doublelift doing ????? He is the most overrated player in the history of League of Legends, everytime i watch him play he does dumb shit and gets cought.
On January 24 2016 06:58 emraaa wrote: wtf is doublelift doing ????? He is the most overrated player in the history of League of Legends, everytime i watch him play he does dumb shit and gets cought.
Well he is known as one of the dumbest ADCs in the world but with godly mechanics. Don't know how much the latter is true anymore.
On January 24 2016 06:58 emraaa wrote: wtf is doublelift doing ????? He is the most overrated player in the history of League of Legends, everytime i watch him play he does dumb shit and gets cought.
Plays full risk without vision so he always has high cs as he farms very risky. Then when he doesn't happen to get caught he carries and looks good as he's outfarming the other ADC who's playing properly and more safely. More often than not though he gets caught and dies / loses his team the game.
On January 24 2016 07:05 Slusher wrote: I mean if TSM plays it out cautiously from the 1v1 kill, they can't lose
I think if most teams were in the position TSM were they would have won. It's a mostly simple progression of siege and split, poppy is destroying the fiora and Immortals' engage without TP on lissandra can't really deal with a set up caitlyn.
On January 24 2016 07:05 Slusher wrote: I mean if TSM plays it out cautiously from the 1v1 kill, they can't lose
I think if most teams were in the position TSM were they would have won. It's a mostly simple progression of siege and split, poppy is destroying the fiora and Immortals' engage without TP on lissandra can't really deal with a set up caitlyn.
Then, go baron.
Maybe like 2 teams in NA wins with that lead TSM had... Both of which are rated as highly as TSM. NRG and IMM.
On January 24 2016 06:59 Mensol wrote: You need to take away Janna from Adrian. He is controlling Huni so well with her.
FYP.
But yeh I find it fun comparing Adrian vs Yellowstar this split. YS was seen as the biggest signing. Should fix shotcalling as well as being a strong indivudal player. But so far YS has made ton of mistakes and the shotcalling has been quite poor.
On January 24 2016 07:05 Slusher wrote: I mean if TSM plays it out cautiously from the 1v1 kill, they can't lose
I think if most teams were in the position TSM were they would have won. It's a mostly simple progression of siege and split, poppy is destroying the fiora and Immortals' engage without TP on lissandra can't really deal with a set up caitlyn.
Then, go baron.
Yea no reason to go baron there at all. You're rabidly gaining momentum in the game. If you want baron you just wait until your advantage has grown a bit more then close it out. Took a huge risk when they didn't need to at all. Fiore can't split vs Poppy, all IMT can do is try force a 4v5 but that can't happen with good vision and playing it safe.
On January 24 2016 07:11 Maluk wrote: Wasn't TSM supposed to be the best team in the West or something with the new Dlift lineup ? lmfao
Eventually yes but certainly not 3 weeks after forming the roster. I don't expect this team to start really showing their potential until Summer (and that is if they get there).
On January 24 2016 07:05 TitusVI wrote: This is a positive thing for TSM since everyone wants to watch TSM legends now
I only watch TSM legends when they lose, so this is true.
Sadly TL has to loose now too to to keep their Real life soap opera competitive with TSM Legends. It's a never ending cycle of which loose creates to most drama and viewership.
I honestly don't get the difference between what TL is doing now with 5 main guys and 5 TLA and say C9 and C9T last year. How are TL the first to have a 10 man roster if the roster is just their main and challenger guys?
On January 24 2016 07:17 chipmonklord17 wrote: I honestly don't get the difference between what TL is doing now with 5 main guys and 5 TLA and say C9 and C9T last year. How are TL the first to have a 10 man roster if the roster is just their main and challenger guys?
Since when C9T played in LCS? Dardoch and Matt are good enough to play in LCS and TL actually uses their 10 man.
I guess the difference is TLA have players like Matt and Dardoch who can legitimately play in LCS over their TL counteprats. I liked Hard and Yusui but you weren't ever going to bench meteos/haicalls or jensen for them :[
On January 24 2016 07:20 BrownBear wrote: Ok, I just tuned in, what the everloving christ happened in the TiP/C9 game.
C9 without Hai is even worse than we could ever imagine.
On January 24 2016 07:17 chipmonklord17 wrote: I honestly don't get the difference between what TL is doing now with 5 main guys and 5 TLA and say C9 and C9T last year. How are TL the first to have a 10 man roster if the roster is just their main and challenger guys?
Since when C9T played in LCS? Dardoch and Matt are good enough to play in LCS and TL actually uses their 10 man.
But just because C9 didn't use their 10 man doesn't mean they didn't exist
I feel like on blue side poppy is a bad ban against CLG, she does well against Darshan's preferred champions and CLG is built heavily around Darshan's playstyle atm. Either you get the first pick poppy or CLG has to ban it.
Or maybe lourlo can't play poppy, but considering the kind of boosted animals getting away with poppy on LCK/LPL I'd be very surprised
On January 24 2016 07:17 chipmonklord17 wrote: I honestly don't get the difference between what TL is doing now with 5 main guys and 5 TLA and say C9 and C9T last year. How are TL the first to have a 10 man roster if the roster is just their main and challenger guys?
Since when C9T played in LCS? Dardoch and Matt are good enough to play in LCS and TL actually uses their 10 man.
But just because C9 didn't use their 10 man doesn't mean they didn't exist
I mean C9 and C9T were just 2 teams under one C9 brand. TL has 10 players that can play in LCS. But yeah its not something new, riot and tl just want to hype this.
On January 24 2016 07:17 chipmonklord17 wrote: I honestly don't get the difference between what TL is doing now with 5 main guys and 5 TLA and say C9 and C9T last year. How are TL the first to have a 10 man roster if the roster is just their main and challenger guys?
Since when C9T played in LCS? Dardoch and Matt are good enough to play in LCS and TL actually uses their 10 man.
But just because C9 didn't use their 10 man doesn't mean they didn't exist
I mean C9 and C9T were just 2 teams under one C9 brand. TL has 10 players that can play in LCS. But yeah its not something new, riot and tl just want to hype this.
That's what I assumed. It feels like one of those PR statements that's just true enough to be said but not completely accurate
On January 24 2016 07:17 chipmonklord17 wrote: I honestly don't get the difference between what TL is doing now with 5 main guys and 5 TLA and say C9 and C9T last year. How are TL the first to have a 10 man roster if the roster is just their main and challenger guys?
Since when C9T played in LCS? Dardoch and Matt are good enough to play in LCS and TL actually uses their 10 man.
But just because C9 didn't use their 10 man doesn't mean they didn't exist
I mean C9 and C9T were just 2 teams under one C9 brand. TL has 10 players that can play in LCS. But yeah its not something new, riot and tl just want to hype this.
That's what I assumed. It feels like one of those PR statements that's just true enough to be said but not completely accurate
I idk if its TL trying to hype it. TL haven't been active in promoting in. Riot on the other hand can't shut up about it.
Also isn't the point of having 10 people the ability to have them try playing in different combos? Doesn't keeping them completely separate defeat the point too?
Ahh I don't even know why I care
EDIT: This is also Lurlo's first game off Gnar right?
At this point C9 needs to just tear off the bandage. Let Hai be free, promote Bunny to fulltime, bring back Meteos for Rush if they want (although iirc he and Jensen didn't mesh well either), and just suck until they learn how to play without Hai, or until they get relegated and all the talent tied up under the C9 brand can find new homes.
On January 24 2016 07:44 chipmonklord17 wrote: I hope this stays the go to TL roster
I'd like to see Zig tried in place of lourlo at some point too
The biggest issue with this suggestion is that Lourlo has almost hard carried two games for TL.
on gnar, time will tell if he has a deep pool or not
picking shen is abysmal though, it's a terrible pick in general and especially against fiora, lourlo can't do anything against darshan. Gnar was left open again should have just gone back to that.
On January 24 2016 07:44 chipmonklord17 wrote: I hope this stays the go to TL roster
I'd like to see Zig tried in place of lourlo at some point too
The biggest issue with this suggestion is that Lourlo has almost hard carried two games for TL.
on gnar, time will tell if he has a deep pool or not
picking shen is abysmal though, it's a terrible pick in general and especially against fiora, lourlo can't do anything against darshan. Gnar was left open again should have just gone back to that.
im waiting for the day when they give lourlo riven
Yeah Fenix should have expected that, it's pretty standard against point-and-click abilities. Still it probably was Darshan's only shot for staying alive so good on him for that.
On January 24 2016 07:44 chipmonklord17 wrote: I hope this stays the go to TL roster
I'd like to see Zig tried in place of lourlo at some point too
The biggest issue with this suggestion is that Lourlo has almost hard carried two games for TL.
on gnar, time will tell if he has a deep pool or not
picking shen is abysmal though, it's a terrible pick in general and especially against fiora, lourlo can't do anything against darshan. Gnar was left open again should have just gone back to that.
On January 24 2016 07:44 chipmonklord17 wrote: I hope this stays the go to TL roster
I'd like to see Zig tried in place of lourlo at some point too
The biggest issue with this suggestion is that Lourlo has almost hard carried two games for TL.
on gnar, time will tell if he has a deep pool or not
picking shen is abysmal though, it's a terrible pick in general and especially against fiora, lourlo can't do anything against darshan. Gnar was left open again should have just gone back to that.
It wouldn't be TL without terrible drafting.
But didn't they get a new coach to fix that?
Anyway, the fight was lost after the miss, but why re-engage and gift 2 more kills?
On January 24 2016 07:59 Hider wrote: Remind me again, why is TL having a medicore/bad midlaner taking up a foreign spot for someone that actually might be good?
someone find nagne and throw a sack of money at him
On January 24 2016 07:59 Hider wrote: Remind me again, why is TL having a medicore/bad midlaner taking up a foreign spot for someone that actually might be good?
On January 24 2016 07:57 KissBlade wrote: TSM & TeamLiquid needed to call in Xpecial. Destroyer of CLG dreams =\.
while I missed 10 minutes of the game Matt definitely doesn't feel like TL's issue
Can we just put Fenix on Azir, I don't care how not meta it is it can't possibly hurt
Naw Matt & Yellowstar wasn't bad. Was more of a joke towards how ever since Xpecial is off those teams, CLG has been winning against both TSM & TL respectively lol.
On January 24 2016 08:00 Deriao wrote: the fiora streak continues
Against which machups/under which circumstances are Fiora actually bad? It seems like she will always just scale out of control.
That's unlike Shen that seems to be one of the worst toplane-teamfighters. And his ultimate also rarely seems to be used efficiently in competitive games anyway.
On January 24 2016 08:00 Deriao wrote: the fiora streak continues
Against which machups/under which circumstances are Fiora actually bad? It seems like she will always just scale out of control.
That's unlike Shen that seems to be one of the worst toplane-teamfighters. And his ultimate also rarely seems to be used efficiently in competitive games anyway.
poppy
gnar is ok, liss is ok, gp I think but he's permaban
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive?
Pretty sure I also watched Liss get beaten by Fiora quite handily atleast once this split.
On January 24 2016 08:00 Deriao wrote: the fiora streak continues
Against which machups/under which circumstances are Fiora actually bad? It seems like she will always just scale out of control.
That's unlike Shen that seems to be one of the worst toplane-teamfighters. And his ultimate also rarely seems to be used efficiently in competitive games anyway.
poppy
gnar is ok, liss is ok, gp I think but he's permaban
On January 24 2016 08:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: Also is TL actively looking for a coach that wants to coach or are they settling for Loco? I don't remember if they specified during the announcement.
they searched during offseason but loco is the only one that can talk with fenix. Koreans really do TL good.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well.
On January 24 2016 08:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: Also is TL actively looking for a coach that wants to coach or are they settling for Loco? I don't remember if they specified during the announcement.
they searched during offseason but loco is the only one that can talk with fenix. Koreans really do TL good.
I know that's what happened during the offseason but are they stopping their search with Loco or are they still looking for someone who wants to coach so Loco can make content like he wants to
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive?
Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up.
As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins.
On January 24 2016 08:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well.
She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive?
Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up.
As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins.
Poppy got pretty even by the time the solo kill happened
On January 24 2016 08:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well.
She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup.
TL has this problem they've carried over since last year where they have a lot of problems playing comps where their initiation is skill-based and not guaranteed (compared to hard CC stuff like Vi/Liss).
TL also has a problem where in the mid game if they don't know what to do they just sit back and farm the lanes. They just sit around and wait for something to happen.
Another problem is that Piglet soaks up a lot of the farm. In the mid game he kept rotating through the lanes, taking the farm avaliable, and then recalling to go do the same in another lane. That places a lot of stress on TL because the waves in each lane are now pushed up which exposes anyone else (normally the top laner) to a lot of risk if they need to farm or fall behind economically, which makes snowballing top very early even more important. Things like needing to TP bot this game created a 20 cs deficit at the very start since the big wave pushing into inner tower all got left behind and then Lourlo was underwhelming not just because of his failed Flashes but was too economicall behind to matter in general.
Piglet's playstyle is also stressing on the team because not grouping with team forces the rest of team to 4v5 and make it harder to defend the fast pushes or contest objectives. So TL's natural mentality is to go into that stall farm mode rather then be proactive. Leads don't get pushed.
As much as Dardoch and Matt are great, unless they snowball a lane (pref top) really hard early game, this isn't something them joining will fix. This is about how TL plays and rotates midgame.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive?
Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up.
As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins.
Poppy got pretty even by the time the solo kill happened
On January 24 2016 08:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well.
She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup.
Whats a flame horizon?
100 CS lead over the opposing top, it originated from OGN Spring 2013 when Blaze would let Flame freeze top lane for the whole game leading to insane CS leads
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive?
Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up.
As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins.
Poppy got pretty even by the time the solo kill happened
On January 24 2016 08:10 DystopiaX wrote:
On January 24 2016 08:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well.
She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup.
Whats a flame horizon?
100 CS lead over the opposing top, it originated from OGN Spring 2013 when Blaze would let Flame freeze top lane for the whole game leading to insane CS leads
Gotcha thanks
Hmm, IDK then honestly, call me corrected here then.
I had no idea that Poppy destroyed Fiora that hard, but I guess I'm too used to playing Poppy on a jungle budget, which even when fed can't compare.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive?
Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up.
As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins.
Poppy got pretty even by the time the solo kill happened
On January 24 2016 08:10 DystopiaX wrote:
On January 24 2016 08:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well.
She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup.
Whats a flame horizon?
100 CS lead over the opposing top, it originated from OGN Spring 2013 when Blaze would let Flame freeze top lane for the whole game leading to insane CS leads
It also led to the biggest upset in Champions history because 1 trick team
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive?
Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up.
As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins.
Poppy got pretty even by the time the solo kill happened
On January 24 2016 08:10 DystopiaX wrote:
On January 24 2016 08:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well.
She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup.
Whats a flame horizon?
100 CS lead over the opposing top, it originated from OGN Spring 2013 when Blaze would let Flame freeze top lane for the whole game leading to insane CS leads
Gotcha thanks
Hmm, IDK then honestly, call me corrected here then.
I had no idea that Poppy destroyed Fiora that hard, but I guess I'm too used to playing Poppy on a jungle budget, which even when fed can't compare.
Basically you just have tools to deal with everything. Rushing armor is a smooth buildup for poppy. Your base damage is high enough to one combo people who build offensive items. If you get behind you can just ult her ult.
And your w gices you an extra stun in the match up sonce fiora is so dash based
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I remember Quinn being used as a counter though.
LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I remember Quinn being used as a counter though.
LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I mean her team fucked her on laneswap and Poppy still couldn't be 1v1d by Fiora
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I remember Quinn being used as a counter though.
LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing
On January 24 2016 08:11 MoonBear wrote: TL has this problem they've carried over since last year where they have a lot of problems playing comps where their initiation is skill-based and not guaranteed (compared to hard CC stuff like Vi/Liss).
TL also has a problem where in the mid game if they don't know what to do they just sit back and farm the lanes. They just sit around and wait for something to happen.
Another problem is that Piglet soaks up a lot of the farm. In the mid game he kept rotating through the lanes, taking the farm avaliable, and then recalling to go do the same in another lane. That places a lot of stress on TL because the waves in each lane are now pushed up which exposes anyone else (normally the top laner) to a lot of risk if they need to farm or fall behind economically, which makes snowballing top very early even more important. Things like needing to TP bot this game created a 20 cs deficit at the very start since the big wave pushing into inner tower all got left behind and then Lourlo was underwhelming not just because of his failed Flashes but was too economicall behind to matter in general.
Piglet's playstyle is also stressing on the team because not grouping with team forces the rest of team to 4v5 and make it harder to defend the fast pushes or contest objectives. So TL's natural mentality is to go into that stall farm mode rather then be proactive. Leads don't get pushed.
As much as Dardoch and Matt are great, unless they snowball a lane (pref top) really hard early game, this isn't something them joining will fix. This is about how TL plays and rotates midgame.
I don't think so. Piglet stayed in his lane for the first 10 minutes and there were only a few instances he went to another lane. One being midlane when Fenix died and he let the wave push back in so that Fenix could get it when he respawned (this was also after he got bot turret so it's a standard rotation).
The other when Lourlo and Piglet swapped since Lourlo was getting completely zoned by Zion and getting froze on. Piglet went up to break the freeze and then came straight back mid for the teamfight TL won. Pretty sure that was a decision made by someone so that Lourlo doesn't get dicked on by Fiora.
Zion went straight back down bot to match where Lourlo was and then solo-killed him when he got there.
The early TP fucked Lourlo bad, I watched the replay several times and I think he should've just cancelled after seeing CLG turn around and dardoch arriving shortly after. Pretty sure it'd be much better to chance a 3v4 turret defend than Lourlo getting fucked over that badly.
On top of that, most of the blame there goes to Fenix I think. 10 seconds prior he burned TP just to get the early greed tear even though he was full health. Honestly he either A) goes standard doran's ring and not greed for early tear B) save the TP and just walk back so that you can prevent your top laner from having to burn TP after he just got the chance to take a wave.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I remember Quinn being used as a counter though.
LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing
On January 24 2016 08:11 MoonBear wrote: TL has this problem they've carried over since last year where they have a lot of problems playing comps where their initiation is skill-based and not guaranteed (compared to hard CC stuff like Vi/Liss).
TL also has a problem where in the mid game if they don't know what to do they just sit back and farm the lanes. They just sit around and wait for something to happen.
Another problem is that Piglet soaks up a lot of the farm. In the mid game he kept rotating through the lanes, taking the farm avaliable, and then recalling to go do the same in another lane. That places a lot of stress on TL because the waves in each lane are now pushed up which exposes anyone else (normally the top laner) to a lot of risk if they need to farm or fall behind economically, which makes snowballing top very early even more important. Things like needing to TP bot this game created a 20 cs deficit at the very start since the big wave pushing into inner tower all got left behind and then Lourlo was underwhelming not just because of his failed Flashes but was too economicall behind to matter in general.
Piglet's playstyle is also stressing on the team because not grouping with team forces the rest of team to 4v5 and make it harder to defend the fast pushes or contest objectives. So TL's natural mentality is to go into that stall farm mode rather then be proactive. Leads don't get pushed.
As much as Dardoch and Matt are great, unless they snowball a lane (pref top) really hard early game, this isn't something them joining will fix. This is about how TL plays and rotates midgame.
I don't think so. Piglet stayed in his lane for the first 10 minutes and there were only a few instances he went to another lane. One being midlane when Fenix died and he let the wave push back in so that Fenix could get it when he respawned (this was also after he got bot turret so it's a standard rotation).
The other when Lourlo and Piglet swapped since Lourlo was getting completely zoned by Zion and getting froze on. Piglet went up to break the freeze and then came straight back mid for the teamfight TL won. Pretty sure that was a decision made by someone so that Lourlo doesn't get dicked on by Fiora.
Zion went straight back down bot to match where Lourlo was and then solo-killed him when he got there.
The early TP fucked Lourlo bad, I watched the replay several times and I think he should've just cancelled after seeing CLG turn around and dardoch arriving shortly after. Pretty sure it'd be much better to chance a 3v4 turret defend than Lourlo getting fucked over that badly.
On top of that, most of the blame there goes to Fenix I think. 10 seconds prior he burned TP just to get the early greed tear even though he was full health. Honestly he either A) goes standard doran's ring and not greed for early tear B) save the TP and just walk back so that you can prevent your top laner from having to burn TP after he just got the chance to take a wave.
Yeah that was a game where Fenix needed to step up. Matt-Dardoch were there to get us through the early game so lategame Ryze does Ryze things. But that never happened because Fenix got so far behind.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I mean her team fucked her on laneswap and Poppy still couldn't be 1v1d by Fiora
As I remember she farmed under tower. But yeh, she seems strong enough so that she cannot be completely assraped as many other champions.
Thoughts on Poppy in teamfights vs Fiora? I guess she offers more engage and disengage, hence making her a better pick in teamfights.
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I mean her team fucked her on laneswap and Poppy still couldn't be 1v1d by Fiora
As I remember she farmed under tower. But yeh, she seems strong enough so that she cannot be completely assraped as many other champions.
Thoughts on Poppy in teamfights vs Fiora? I guess she offers more engage and disengage, hence making her a better pick in teamfights.
also legit tanky enough to like, 1v4 and do significant damage
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I remember Quinn being used as a counter though.
LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing
Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving
He really hasn't looked bad this year
theyve played emf freecs longzhu SKT
only SKT looked like a great team
plus he's getting carried by CoreJJ/Stitch
How dare you doubt stitch, the only man to pentakill. Everyone knows LMS ADC pentakills reflect their skill so much.
Raison pentakills: 0 AN pentakills: 0 NL pentakills: Out of control
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I remember Quinn being used as a counter though.
LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing
Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving
He really hasn't looked bad this year
theyve played emf freecs longzhu SKT
only SKT looked like a great team
plus he's getting carried by CoreJJ/Stitch
How dare you doubt stitch, the only man to pentakill. Everyone knows LMS ADC pentakills reflect their skill so much.
Raison pentakills: 0 AN pentakills: 0 NL pentakills: Out of control
NL best ADC
how is that me doubting he's been carrying samsung
Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup.
No, it's free
Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off
Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game.
I remember Quinn being used as a counter though.
LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing
Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving
He really hasn't looked bad this year
theyve played emf freecs longzhu SKT
only SKT looked like a great team
plus he's getting carried by CoreJJ/Stitch
How dare you doubt stitch, the only man to pentakill. Everyone knows LMS ADC pentakills reflect their skill so much.
Raison pentakills: 0 AN pentakills: 0 NL pentakills: Out of control
NL best ADC
how is that me doubting he's been carrying samsung
You make it sound like it's a bad thing to get carried by the gods Stich and CoreJJ
I don't remember if I asked this in the last LCS thread or just thought about it but does the camera always show mirrored players? Like always showing the supports or junglers or full team. Like they'd never show RF on one side and Kiwikid on the other right? Why is that?
On January 24 2016 08:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: I don't remember if I asked this in the last LCS thread or just thought about it but does the camera always show mirrored players? Like always showing the supports or junglers or full team. Like they'd never show RF on one side and Kiwikid on the other right? Why is that?
On January 24 2016 09:14 Alaric wrote: EQR 90-0'd Corki. But Ahri's damage is low guys!
Something something viktor check your privilege something something
Viktor doesn't have instant cc nor 3 dashes nor true damage in exchange for his damage if that's what you're talking about. Ahri didn't even trigger W nor use the rest of her R charges, didn't have Luden's or Lichbane to get some more burst, etc.
I just rewatched TL vs CLG and man... Lourlo kinda disappointing this game and Fenix... I'm jumping on Fenix-hate bandwagon claiming he's Azir one trick pony, srsly.
On January 24 2016 18:43 739 wrote: I just rewatched TL vs CLG and man... Lourlo kinda disappointing this game and Fenix... I'm jumping on Fenix-hate bandwagon claiming he's Azir one trick pony, srsly.
On January 24 2016 18:43 739 wrote: I just rewatched TL vs CLG and man... Lourlo kinda disappointing this game and Fenix... I'm jumping on Fenix-hate bandwagon claiming he's Azir one trick pony, srsly.
it's not hate if it's true~
TL should be able to be echo fox sub squad.
Maybe, I mean C9 did lost to TIP ... I'd give it like 70-30
TL will probably never switch fenix out because i think hes the kind of guy that really gets pissed at that and then just fucks around for the rest of the season.
Honestly so far it looks like there's 4-5 teams fighting to not be in relegations and not due to so many teams being good. Real disappointing after all the money being thrown around in the off season.
you might seriously do better with goldenglue mid and another korean import somewhere else. the basic problem is they resigned their koreans before basically the korean free agency season even started
NRG and IMT look fine, and they're the two big spending newcomers.
I feel like it wouldn't be that unreasonable to expect a Gate/Procxin/Pirean/Mash/Ken lineup to be even or better than the original intended Feng/Procxin/Pirean/Mash/Gate (which is still a terribad level). The former has Gate going Mid->Support->Top while the latter has Feng going ADC->Top and Gate going Mid->Support, right? It's kind of funny when the substitute silliness is still better than the original plan, like Seraph blowing away Feng (har har, blow away the wind).
On January 25 2016 03:37 TitusVI wrote: at 20:00 fenix basically could have killed huhi if the rune prison didn't hit the minion. Just saw it watching the vod.
You know what I hate about that LCS BIG PLAY with janna saving huni (and the whole play in general), doublelift was farming mid THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME. Dlift please :/
On January 25 2016 05:39 MuddyJam wrote: how is NA so bad when it has so much money compared to EU?
Being NA is subjective, for example TSM is basically an EU team.
.... No it's not. Just like how Real Madrid and Barcelona are still Spanish teams, Manchester United and Chelsea are still English teams, etc. You don't just go "well they have a majority EU players. EU team!"
Dig fought 4v5 in that last fight. Apart from an ult to tag Gnar besides the nexus, he was literally out of the screen until 2 Dignitas members died, despite rotating at the same time as them. Why is he playing even further away than a Ziggs or Xerath would?
On January 25 2016 05:48 Alaric wrote: Dig fought 4v5 in that last fight. Apart from an ult to tag Gnar besides the nexus, he was literally out of the screen until 2 Dignitas members died, despite rotating at the same time as them. Why is he playing even further away than a Ziggs or Xerath would?
billyboss is literally a soloq challenger top, I wouldn't expect good things from him
edit- I see gorilla likes clownfiestas just as much as the rest of us if he pays attention to NA
On January 25 2016 05:48 Alaric wrote: Dig fought 4v5 in that last fight. Apart from an ult to tag Gnar besides the nexus, he was literally out of the screen until 2 Dignitas members died, despite rotating at the same time as them. Why is he playing even further away than a Ziggs or Xerath would?
billyboss is literally a soloq challenger top, I wouldn't expect good things from him
edit- I see gorilla likes clownfiestas just as much as the rest of us if he pays attention to NA
I meant DL, not Gnar.
And these comps are weird. I doubt NRG have the peeling to deal with Zed+Lissandra+Rengar+the culling going to burst someone down.
Welp double post. Didn't expect the thread to be so slow.
Next fight Alistar sees Rengar coming from the right (since Nidalee and himself, but not Varus have the ! over them) and still camps the Lissandra, leaving Moon to die, then dying himself. Bleh.
I don't understand how it's possible for someone like Moon to end up playing Nidalee in a competitive match, they should have kicked him off stage and play the game 4v5
On January 25 2016 06:23 Dan HH wrote: I don't understand how it's possible for someone like Moon to end up playing Nidalee in a competitive match, they should have kicked him off stage and play the game 4v5
On January 25 2016 06:23 Dan HH wrote: I don't understand how it's possible for someone like Moon to end up playing Nidalee in a competitive match, they should have kicked him off stage and play the game 4v5
nida gets picked in lck/lpl all the time too lol
I think it's beyond insane to let the by far worst player on your squad play Nida jungle. Especially in the most important matchup of the regular season
On January 25 2016 06:23 Dan HH wrote: I don't understand how it's possible for someone like Moon to end up playing Nidalee in a competitive match, they should have kicked him off stage and play the game 4v5
nida gets picked in lck/lpl all the time too lol
Nidalee doesn't get picked to play a poke comp. Poke comps don't get picked against a 4-assassins line-up (don't go and pretend Lucian's passive with some crit doesn't rival an assassin's burst, and the culling is enough to finish off anyone that didn't die to one of the other 3). Actually poke comp don't get picked at all.
Friggin' NRG losing game at champ select; In what order did they pick their stuff to lock themselves all the way in against such a hard counter comp?
On January 25 2016 06:23 Dan HH wrote: I don't understand how it's possible for someone like Moon to end up playing Nidalee in a competitive match, they should have kicked him off stage and play the game 4v5
nida gets picked in lck/lpl all the time too lol
Nidalee doesn't get picked to play a poke comp. Poke comps don't get picked against a 4-assassins line-up (don't go and pretend Lucian's passive with some crit doesn't rival an assassin's burst, and the culling is enough to finish off anyone that didn't die to one of the other 3). Actually poke comp don't get picked at all.
Friggin' NRG losing game at champ select; In what order did they pick their stuff to lock themselves all the way in against such a hard counter comp?
Wait, did Lucian just dash and Maokai didn't follow? He should either root Lucian so he doesn't dash, or he roots after the dash and then he follows Lucian to his arrival point. The same thing's been happening with Tristana's W for literally months (at least back in August/September of last year).
And it never popped out in the patch notes, so it's either a stealth nerf or a bug that's been left there despite how easy it is to reproduce. Either way, standard Riot.
Also Rengar ran forward, Maokai W'd to him, and Rengar turned invsible then jumped as if he wasn't rooted at all in that last fight. Some more bullshit o/
On January 25 2016 06:44 Redox wrote: Gotta love Immortals. And great to see engage beat poke.
I mean, they're picking Alistar as their sole disengage, Maokai's 20% damage reduction isn't gonna save their squishies from 4 assasins' burst. It's not like they've got any chance against a team that can jump them.
On January 25 2016 06:39 Apex wrote: RIP Adrian's K/D/A
First death doesn't change your kda right?
I think technically it goes from an undefined K/D/A to a defined one if I remember correctly.
Ya, technically it should be undefined from dividing by zero, but in practice, people go with a divisor of 1 for both 0 and 1 deaths since they don't want to give a KDA that is NaN.
I want to know what NRG were thinking when the draft was NRG: ali corki nidalee IMT: lucian janna rengar lissandra and then they picked varus/maokai, knowing that Pobelter plays a mean Zed. Such a huge mistake what the hell.
On January 25 2016 06:43 Dan HH wrote: Moon needs some self-awareness and to pretty much play only CC bots if he wants to stay on this team
youre acting like he's picking for himself and that there isn't a coach that helps decide p/b
Maybe too harsh, but no coach is forcing players to play what they can't or aren't comfortable with
sure, but being proficient in nidalee isn't a sin. Coaches should get the blame for drafting him nid, not moon getting blamed because he was asked to play the champ.
Maokai/nida picks were pretty bad, and imo if you wanted to go poke mid should draft ez and have gbm play corki/altec play ez.
On January 25 2016 06:57 Sent. wrote: Hope C9 wins so Hai memes can live forever
I betted C9 as soon as Hai was gonna play because C9 are just a giant meme team at this point and the only way they can complete the meme is by beating CLG after losing to TiP
On January 25 2016 06:39 Apex wrote: RIP Adrian's K/D/A
First death doesn't change your kda right?
I think technically it goes from an undefined K/D/A to a defined one if I remember correctly.
Ya, technically it should be undefined from dividing by zero, but in practice, people go with a divisor of 1 for both 0 and 1 deaths since they don't want to give a KDA that is NaN.
Ah good to know. So Adrian's K/D/A remains intact for now then.
On January 25 2016 06:51 Plexa wrote: I want to know what NRG were thinking when the draft was NRG: ali corki nidalee IMT: lucian janna rengar lissandra and then they picked varus/maokai, knowing that Pobelter plays a mean Zed. Such a huge mistake what the hell.
On January 25 2016 07:01 TitusVI wrote: Honestly Hai will play until his arms fall of. its just a question about money. Who need arms with 40 millions in bank account.
he can get prosthetic wrists and carry c9 for the next 10 years
On January 25 2016 07:01 TitusVI wrote: Honestly Hai will play until his arms fall of. its just a question about money. Who need arms with 40 millions in bank account.
he can get prosthetic wrists and carry c9 for the next 10 years
like his whole body falls apart and gets replaced with robo stuff.
On January 25 2016 07:01 TitusVI wrote: Honestly Hai will play until his arms fall of. its just a question about money. Who need arms with 40 millions in bank account.
he can get prosthetic wrists and carry c9 for the next 10 years
like his whole body falls apart and gets replaced with robo stuff.
He'll be a brain in a jar and still be carrying c9
On January 25 2016 07:01 TitusVI wrote: Honestly Hai will play until his arms fall of. its just a question about money. Who need arms with 40 millions in bank account.
he can get prosthetic wrists and carry c9 for the next 10 years
like his whole body falls apart and gets replaced with robo stuff.
On January 25 2016 07:01 TitusVI wrote: Honestly Hai will play until his arms fall of. its just a question about money. Who need arms with 40 millions in bank account.
he can get prosthetic wrists and carry c9 for the next 10 years
like his whole body falls apart and gets replaced with robo stuff.
He'll be a brain in a jar and still be carrying c9
the year is 20xx. every LCS team has reached the pinnacle of doombot level mechanic skill and every team has cloned a hai brain to play as their support
On January 25 2016 07:21 Fusilero wrote: Are you honestly telling me that everyone gets this much better individually solely because of Hai. Like this is ridiculous
The subconscious mind is a powerful thing. Even if he does not special they play better because they trust him.
On January 25 2016 07:21 Fusilero wrote: Are you honestly telling me that everyone gets this much better individually solely because of Hai. Like this is ridiculous
These players are so braindead that Hai basically micromanages all 4 of them.
On January 25 2016 07:21 Fusilero wrote: Are you honestly telling me that everyone gets this much better individually solely because of Hai. Like this is ridiculous
On January 25 2016 07:21 Fusilero wrote: Are you honestly telling me that everyone gets this much better individually solely because of Hai. Like this is ridiculous
These players are so braindead that Hai basically micromanages all 4 of them.
On January 25 2016 07:21 Fusilero wrote: Are you honestly telling me that everyone gets this much better individually solely because of Hai. Like this is ridiculous
These players are so braindead that Hai basically micromanages all 4 of them.
Incarnation is literally just dodging everything and hitting skillshots, it's impossible that HAICALLS can do that
On January 25 2016 07:21 Fusilero wrote: Are you honestly telling me that everyone gets this much better individually solely because of Hai. Like this is ridiculous
On January 25 2016 07:21 Fusilero wrote: Are you honestly telling me that everyone gets this much better individually solely because of Hai. Like this is ridiculous
These players are so braindead that Hai basically micromanages all 4 of them.
Incarnation is literally just dodging everything and hitting skillshots, it's impossible that HAICALLS can do that
I counter your argument with one simple fact, HAICALLS.
When a cycle repeats itself constantly eventually you just have to admit it.
Gotta commend Hai/Lemon for leaving GP open. Same thing has been backfiring with Ryze, whenever an almost permabanned champion is left open teams feel forced to first pick it regardless of what they had prepared for that game, how practiced they are with it, how much it fits with their playstyle, how counterable it is by the opponent and so on..
On January 25 2016 07:34 Caiada wrote: Hai (and a not-shit draft, tbf) brought them from losing to Gate and Friends, The Team, to handing a mid-tier team their asses.
The H A I C A L L S train is unstoppable.
To be fair, H A I C A L L S the draft too.
On January 25 2016 07:32 Dan HH wrote: Gotta commend Hai/Lemon for leaving GP open. Same thing has been backfiring with Ryze, whenever an almost permabanned champion is left open teams feel forced to first pick it regardless of what they had prepared for that game, how practiced they are with it, how much it fits with their playstyle, how counterable it is by the opponent and so on..
Honestly, I think balls on GP is like exactly what you want. Not only would he be poor but he'd have no utility.
CLG goes from Darshan suiciding and giving the tower away because they don't have The Culling to clear the wave, to an 0K fight after Rush dies, to suiciding for free on Viktor and Kalista's ult and feeding inhib and kills.
None of CLG played well, but Huhi and Xmithie with their skillshots were ridiculous. Xmithie forever tilted after his bad call at the river fight. Huhi just had no excuse for missing as much as he did.
How do you pick leblanc and miss so many skillshots? wtf
On January 25 2016 07:53 TitusVI wrote: another TL game incomming. pls lets try not to use the words "fenix" and "piglet" for the next 3 pages.
goldenglue is going to completely wreck TLMIDLANER and i think keith has already shown that he can go toe to toe with TLADCARRY, despite the subs this may be a close game
If TL lose to this team i dont even know what is with TL. If Fenix fails one more time they should bench him. Hope Piglet isnt tilted already and rookies can perform like before but without awkward mistakes.
On January 25 2016 08:02 Radoq wrote: If TL lose to this team i dont even know what is with TL. If Fenix fails one more time they should bench him. Hope Piglet isnt tilted already and rookies can perform like before but without awkward mistakes.
While I'd actually like to see Fenix get switched out for a game or two how does TLA compete in challenger with half their roster being in LCS? Can TLA play IWD/Fenix/Smoothie? Is that allowed?
If only they'd dropped IWD, I dunno, maybe sometime in the offseason, instead of waiting to lose the first game of the season exactly the same way they lost in playoffs.
On January 25 2016 08:05 Caiada wrote: Grigne subbing too? Yeah, god, if TL loses this, that's embarassing.
If only they'd dropped IWD, I dunno, maybe sometime in the offseason, instead of waiting to lose the first game of the season exactly the same way they lost in playoffs.
Can Lourlo play anything that's not Gnar?
riven/fiora but there doesn't seem any desire to draft him carry tops
They're a lot like LGD, only without star power, and in NA, and more boring. Literally all you need to do to beat them is do *something.* It doesn't even matter what! 5man dive top before 10 minutes? Sure, why not, TL will be there to give you gold.
I think TL (really, Curse because they did this shit in S4 too) management/infrastructure just sucks the soul out of all involved. Dardoch and Matt were at least making plays the first two games, now it looks like Dom is back and they fucked up the tags.
On January 25 2016 08:23 Caiada wrote: I think TL (really, Curse because they did this shit in S4 too) management/infrastructure just sucks the soul out of all involved. Dardoch and Matt were at least making plays the first two games, now it looks like Dom is back and they fucked up the tags.
Looks like what people feared in that TL breaking two promising up and coming players may just happen. TL should just stop playing Dardoch/Matt and let them get into LCS with TLA then just sell this TL, shifting over to TLA as TL team. Then purge everyone involved in the TL team.
On January 25 2016 08:20 chipmonklord17 wrote: its not even funny anymore, why is piglet never with the team?
They just aren't a team. How can piglet group with nothing? Really should have purged this roster with fire.
Honestly I'm really starting to like Lourlo/Dardoch/Matt. Fenix just looks lost without Azir and Piglet just doesn't seem to gel with the others. He's obviously really good but he just doesn't feel good for the team
On January 25 2016 08:27 ghrur wrote: I can't wait for Hai-less C9 vs TL to see which one finally gets its first win.
I've imagined they've learned better and will just perpetually start Hai until he quits
I don't think this is a piglet issue. Just roleswap piglet to midlane, and get rid of Fenix. That would be an upgrade from what we are seeing right now.
Both Piglet and Fenix are showing their anti-team attitudes right now and thats going to cost them. I expect them to both get subbed out later in the split if they continue losing
I really don't think it's a player quality thing. When you've switched every piece except one serviceable carry and Fenix, there's some serious behind-the-scenes shit fucking up or Fenix/Piglet are the anti-Hai.
It really looks like a CS team vs 5 randos in Challenger solo queue. That's infrastructure/shotcalling/communication. Bunch of shit we can't really look into.
On January 25 2016 08:33 GolemMadness wrote: How are people blaming Piglet for this...? He's been TL's best player in every game.
Mostly because every other good ADC currently tries to do something for his team where as Piglet seems to warp the team to do things for him. Like why are they picking Shen and Gnar for top lane instead of the carry style that their top laner is known for? The exact same thing happened with Quas when Piglet was playing but miraculously changed when Keith played.
On January 25 2016 08:33 GolemMadness wrote: How are people blaming Piglet for this...? He's been TL's best player in every game.
Look at his score and what hes doing this game, absolutely nothing. During that first 4 man dive top he was bottom pushing by himself and getting nothing for it. Just like old Doublelift when CLG almost got relegated
On January 25 2016 08:33 GolemMadness wrote: How are people blaming Piglet for this...? He's been TL's best player in every game.
Look at his score and what hes doing this game, absolutely nothing. During that first 4 man dive top he was bottom pushing by himself and getting nothing for it. Just like old Doublelift when CLG almost got relegated
That's just absurd. Macro decisions are not up to him. If Matt or Dardoch thought that they needed him up there, they should call him up. If you heard comms where someone made a call and he ignored it, then sure, it's his fault. It was just bad macro play from TL; it's normal to leave your ADC bot to farm.
Clearly this and FNC v UoL is proof that LCS is scripted. In one week both the benched ADCs beat the one that replaced them, are riot even trying to keep it subtle smh
On January 25 2016 08:33 GolemMadness wrote: How are people blaming Piglet for this...? He's been TL's best player in every game.
Mostly because every other good ADC currently tries to do something for his team where as Piglet seems to warp the team to do things for him. Like why are they picking Shen and Gnar for top lane instead of the carry style that their top laner is known for? The exact same thing happened with Quas when Piglet was playing but miraculously changed when Keith played.
In the 2 weeks before Piglet got benched, Quas played Swain, Rumble, Mao'kai and Lissandra. When Piglet returned, Quas played Mundo, Lulu, and Kennen twice. Fucking Piglet forcing him to play tanks all the time. Do you actually think that Piglet is some kind of dictator that forces his top laner to play what he wants and everybody just bows to his will?
On January 25 2016 08:33 GolemMadness wrote: How are people blaming Piglet for this...? He's been TL's best player in every game.
Mostly because every other good ADC currently tries to do something for his team where as Piglet seems to warp the team to do things for him. Like why are they picking Shen and Gnar for top lane instead of the carry style that their top laner is known for? The exact same thing happened with Quas when Piglet was playing but miraculously changed when Keith played.
In the 2 weeks before Piglet got benched, Quas played Swain, Rumble, Mao'kai and Lissandra. When Piglet returned, Quas played Mundo, Lulu, and Kennen twice. Fucking Piglet forcing him to play tanks all the time. Do you actually think that Piglet is some kind of dictator that forces his top laner to play what he wants and everybody just bows to his will?
It's the classic doublelift situation. If you keep changing pieces with nothing changing then maybe it's the one piece that remains that's the issue.
Just purge everyone involved with old TL and bring in new TLA. Some things are too broken to fix.
Triple lifesteal on Kali seems like it should be bad. I know qss and thirster are great and all, but I'm pretty sure it'd be so much more damage with an IE or even another Zeal item. Feels pointlessly over-safe.
Just when i thought they patched comebacks out. That was interesting, almost a reverse swipe (but i think they had like 1 tower top already taken in the earlier stages?)
On January 25 2016 09:04 snow2.0 wrote: Just when i thought they patched comebacks out. That was interesting, almost a reverse swipe (but i think they had like 1 tower top already taken in the earlier stages?)
On January 25 2016 09:04 snow2.0 wrote: Just when i thought they patched comebacks out. That was interesting, almost a reverse swipe (but i think they had like 1 tower top already taken in the earlier stages?)
Comebacks are kind if easier now with NA throwbagins because death timers are so long that whoever wins the teamfight in the lategame wins the game. No real back and forth in late game.
People still pretend any fight the team lost should have been won by a good ADC singlehandedly. The majority of the 'fights' that got EF a lead were TL sitting their asses in the wrong lane while EF engaged.
It's hilarious seeing so many people blaming Piglet for every single problem TL have. People get caught? Piglet should have been there. Poor macro? Piglet in the wrong place. Any intangible problem? Piglet's bad attitude. My god.
On January 25 2016 09:10 GolemMadness wrote: It's hilarious seeing so many people blaming Piglet for every single problem TL have. People get caught? Piglet should have been there. Poor macro? Piglet in the wrong place. Any intangible problem? Piglet's bad attitude. My god.
I don't care about piglet, can you at least agree that TL needs to get rid of Fenix?
On January 25 2016 09:04 ticklishmusic wrote: Piglet played like a god that game
He did nothing but farm for like 20 minutes
And then he played the teamfights perfectly
This is some Rito narrative.
To be fair it was the team somehow clinging on for like 30 minutes straight without losing their base. Then Matt managed to zone/engage while Cait + Fenix spread out and did a shit ton of damage and eventually scaled past the tankiness EF had.
A lot of EF's lead came before Matt hit level 6 (at 17:30) so he was near useless until then and then quite a bit after, but once TL got a proper 5v5 they were okay in a 5v5.
I guess in retrospect I'm a little confused how EF wasn't able to rotate through and take down the nexus. Random question during the game was why Janna build a QSS instead of a Mikael's or something...
On January 25 2016 09:10 GolemMadness wrote: It's hilarious seeing so many people blaming Piglet for every single problem TL have. People get caught? Piglet should have been there. Poor macro? Piglet in the wrong place. Any intangible problem? Piglet's bad attitude. My god.
I don't care about piglet, can you at least agree that TL needs to get rid of Fenix?
If there's someone better, then yeah. Right now, I doubt there is. It's definitely something to consider for summer.
On January 25 2016 09:10 GolemMadness wrote: It's hilarious seeing so many people blaming Piglet for every single problem TL have. People get caught? Piglet should have been there. Poor macro? Piglet in the wrong place. Any intangible problem? Piglet's bad attitude. My god.
I don't care about piglet, can you at least agree that TL needs to get rid of Fenix?
If there's someone better, then yeah. Right now, I doubt there is. It's definitely something to consider for summer.
Please. You could role swap piglet to mid, and he'd still be better.
More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
the thing about fenix is that as far as skill in fighting goes, fenix is one of the best in NA. He may even be the best, when it comes to winning lane. Obviously that isn't everything, and certain flaws need to be fixed, but it is nice to have a mid laner you know will beat or go even with the other mid laner.
On January 25 2016 09:10 GolemMadness wrote: It's hilarious seeing so many people blaming Piglet for every single problem TL have. People get caught? Piglet should have been there. Poor macro? Piglet in the wrong place. Any intangible problem? Piglet's bad attitude. My god.
I don't care about piglet, can you at least agree that TL needs to get rid of Fenix?
If there's someone better, then yeah. Right now, I doubt there is. It's definitely something to consider for summer.
Players slip in and out and form. Fenix has proven himself before and in the absence of an obvious improvement I'd content to see him push on. Work on his champ pool, get some better drafts, and things might just be okay.
On January 25 2016 09:15 travis wrote: the thing about fenix is that as far as skill in fighting goes, fenix is one of the best in NA. He may even be the best, when it comes to winning lane. Obviously that isn't everything, and certain flaws need to be fixed, but it is nice to have a mid laner you know will beat or go even with the other mid laner.
On January 25 2016 09:10 GolemMadness wrote: It's hilarious seeing so many people blaming Piglet for every single problem TL have. People get caught? Piglet should have been there. Poor macro? Piglet in the wrong place. Any intangible problem? Piglet's bad attitude. My god.
I don't care about piglet, can you at least agree that TL needs to get rid of Fenix?
If there's someone better, then yeah. Right now, I doubt there is. It's definitely something to consider for summer.
Players slip in and out and form. Fenix has proven himself before and in the absence of an obvious improvement I'd content to see him push on. Work on his champ pool, get some better drafts, and things might just be okay.
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
Huh? Our discord is much newer than theirs we'll have news and shit ready to promote it once everythings cleared to go.
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
I don't think any actual TL player would want to be associated with us. We're sort of complete player bashing cancer
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
I don't think any actual TL player would want to be associated with us. We're sort of complete player bashing cancer
On January 25 2016 09:15 travis wrote: the thing about fenix is that as far as skill in fighting goes, fenix is one of the best in NA. He may even be the best, when it comes to winning lane. Obviously that isn't everything, and certain flaws need to be fixed, but it is nice to have a mid laner you know will beat or go even with the other mid laner.
You must have missed yesterdays game
I think it was too traumatic and I blanked it out from my mind.
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
I don't think any actual TL player would want to be associated with us. We're sort of complete player bashing cancer
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
I don't think any actual TL player would want to be associated with us. We're sort of complete player bashing cancer
Please, we praise kiwikid in here.
Kiwikid is not a mere player, he is something greater than that
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
I don't think any actual TL player would want to be associated with us. We're sort of complete player bashing cancer
Please, we praise kiwikid in here.
Do I really need to compile like 200 posts about "KiWiKid is a boosted animal". :>
On January 25 2016 09:26 TitusVI wrote: If every forum member would get a free TL jacket the overall opinion surely would drift towards a more positive mindset.
I think we'd just be BM in swag as fuck jackets. But for science this should be a thing
On January 25 2016 09:26 TitusVI wrote: If every forum member would get a free TL jacket the overall opinion surely would drift towards a more positive mindset.
I think we'd just be BM in swag as fuck jackets. But for science this should be a thing
Based on the sample size of moonbear and juju there is a correlation between LL users with TL jackets and reduced toxicity
On January 25 2016 09:26 TitusVI wrote: If every forum member would get a free TL jacket the overall opinion surely would drift towards a more positive mindset.
I think we'd just be BM in swag as fuck jackets. But for science this should be a thing
Based on the sample size of moonbear and juju there is a correlation between LL users with TL jackets and reduced toxicity
While its not a jacket, I have a TL jersey and am rather judgmental
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
I don't think any actual TL player would want to be associated with us. We're sort of complete player bashing cancer
Please, we praise kiwikid in here.
Do I really need to compile like 200 posts about "KiWiKid is a boosted animal". :>
If you want i can provide you with about half of those myself
On January 25 2016 09:26 TitusVI wrote: If every forum member would get a free TL jacket the overall opinion surely would drift towards a more positive mindset.
I think we'd just be BM in swag as fuck jackets. But for science this should be a thing
Based on the sample size of moonbear and juju there is a correlation between LL users with TL jackets and reduced toxicity
While its not a jacket, I have a TL jersey and am rather judgmental
Clearly then a jersey is inadequate, it must be a jacket.
On January 25 2016 09:26 TitusVI wrote: If every forum member would get a free TL jacket the overall opinion surely would drift towards a more positive mindset.
I think we'd just be BM in swag as fuck jackets. But for science this should be a thing
Based on the sample size of moonbear and juju there is a correlation between LL users with TL jackets and reduced toxicity
While its not a jacket, I have a TL jersey and am rather judgmental
Clearly then a jersey is inadequate, it must be a jacket.
When I acquire currency or a proficiency for liquibetting I'll get back to you on this study
On January 25 2016 09:26 TitusVI wrote: If every forum member would get a free TL jacket the overall opinion surely would drift towards a more positive mindset.
I think we'd just be BM in swag as fuck jackets. But for science this should be a thing
Based on the sample size of moonbear and juju there is a correlation between LL users with TL jackets and reduced toxicity
While its not a jacket, I have a TL jersey and am rather judgmental
Clearly then a jersey is inadequate, it must be a jacket.
When I acquire currency or a proficiency for liquibetting I'll get back to you on this study
TL should make a point system. For every nice thing u say about the team on this forum you get one point. After 1000 points u get a free jersey. Imagine how this forum would look like.
On January 25 2016 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: More importantly, there's a /r/liquidlegends discord that's supported by the actual LL players/staff. Fake LL gets more support than real TL/LL discord....
also best quote on that discord "fake fans gtfo"
I don't think any actual TL player would want to be associated with us. We're sort of complete player bashing cancer
Please, we praise kiwikid in here.
Do I really need to compile like 200 posts about "KiWiKid is a boosted animal". :>
If you want i can provide you with about half of those myself
On January 25 2016 09:59 Caiada wrote: Take a shot every time Pirean misses an arrow/ult, Procxin goes too deep and dies, and Mash is in the wrong place doing no damage.
Don't, actually.
Oh hey, another bad and totally unnecessary triple-lifesteal Kalista build.
Keep in mind Gate LITERALLY can only play GP and Lulu top ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS BAN THOSE 2 CHAMPS AND HE CAN'T PLAY ANYTHING ELSE Renegades have like 4 analysts All of them are apparently monkeys
Shen is kind of just a garbage pick right now. He's terrible in team fights so you want him to split with his ult, but he's also bad at splitting. So many better picks up, but you give up GP and pick Shen? Why?
On January 25 2016 10:14 GolemMadness wrote: Shen is kind of just a garbage pick right now. He's terrible in team fights so you want him to split with his ult, but he's also bad at splitting. So many better picks up, but you give up GP and pick Shen? Why?
The only teams that play Shen are teams whose tops are trash mechanically (Lourlo, RF, Balls) to try and mask the weakness
Btw Gate Flame Horizoned RF he's such garbage, expect Flaresz to replace him soontm
On January 25 2016 10:14 GolemMadness wrote: Shen is kind of just a garbage pick right now. He's terrible in team fights so you want him to split with his ult, but he's also bad at splitting. So many better picks up, but you give up GP and pick Shen? Why?
Shen top into GP is straight up crazy. Can't RF play Fiora?
Also, giving a ridiculously powerful flex pick to a mid main and giving him a free lane is some high quality draft.
Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
I rly like Gate, he is willing to do everything to carry this team and has positive mindset. People were telling that this is guaranted 10 place team and 0-18 the dream and he just goes "im gonna do everything so this team can be good".
On January 25 2016 10:14 GolemMadness wrote: Shen is kind of just a garbage pick right now. He's terrible in team fights so you want him to split with his ult, but he's also bad at splitting. So many better picks up, but you give up GP and pick Shen? Why?
The only teams that play Shen are teams whose tops are trash mechanically (Lourlo, RF, Balls) to try and mask the weakness
Btw Gate Flame Horizoned RF he's such garbage, expect Flaresz to replace him soontm
just do what LPL does and put them on naut instead, he does more and is easier to play.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Radoq wrote: I rly like Gate, he is willing to do everything to carry this team and has positive mindset. People were telling that this is guaranted 10 place team and 0-18 the dream and he just goes "im gonna do everything so this team can be good".
On January 25 2016 10:18 Radoq wrote: I rly like Gate, he is willing to do everything to carry this team and has positive mindset. People were telling that this is guaranted 10 place team and 0-18 the dream and he just goes "im gonna do everything so this team can be good".
On January 25 2016 10:26 Caiada wrote: I'm glad Adrian, Impact, Rush and even kinda Apollo have had a bit of success after they left the TiP dumpster fire.
RIP XWX, Gate is boosting rando soloq players in LCS in honor of you.
I fucking love gate man, this guy joins TiP on the basis of taking Adrian's spot as support. Has to move to mid due to XWX getting banned. Is the only player to stick around the TiP dumpster fire moving back to support. But wait he has to move back to mid, no wait he's now playing top and he just flame horizoned someone when he got informed of his move to top literally today.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
he played pretty bad today, especially the first 20 minutes or so.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
he played pretty bad today, especially the first 20 minutes or so.
but yes his first 2 games were pretty good.
to be fair he was stuck rotating around and didn't hit 6 until 17:30, so it's not completely his fault. for a good chunk of that time he was less useful than a siege minion.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
he played pretty bad today, especially the first 20 minutes or so.
but yes his first 2 games were pretty good.
to be fair he was stuck rotating around and didn't hit 6 until 17:30, so it's not completely his fault. for a good chunk of that time he was less useful than a siege minion.
i mean if the rotations were good and he were being useful with them sure
but half of them he just gave up a free kill in areas with no vision doing who knows what
I think the kid has a lot of talent and his first 2 games were great but today was really bad until the last few teamfights.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Actually I thought it was a pretty slick play tbh. He didn't "fail a combo". From what it looked like it was E to minion for gap close => flash => Q. And it actually almost caught both. And it certainly DID catch one who was only walking. LoD was barely out of range for that. In fact didn't it lead to a kill anyway?
If anything I thought the gif made it pretty obvious that the idea was pretty smart.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
he played pretty bad today, especially the first 20 minutes or so.
but yes his first 2 games were pretty good.
to be fair he was stuck rotating around and didn't hit 6 until 17:30, so it's not completely his fault. for a good chunk of that time he was less useful than a siege minion.
i mean if the rotations were good and he were being useful with them sure
but half of them he just gave up a free kill in areas with no vision doing who knows what
I think the kid has a lot of talent and his first 2 games were great but today was really bad until the last few teamfights.
I think you can forgive the rookie playing in his 1st 3 games of professional play for having some bad games. I am not going to shit on TL unless its end of season and they show 0 improvement again. Its week 2 and they just promoted in 2 rookies.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
he played pretty bad today, especially the first 20 minutes or so.
but yes his first 2 games were pretty good.
to be fair he was stuck rotating around and didn't hit 6 until 17:30, so it's not completely his fault. for a good chunk of that time he was less useful than a siege minion.
i mean if the rotations were good and he were being useful with them sure
but half of them he just gave up a free kill in areas with no vision doing who knows what
I think the kid has a lot of talent and his first 2 games were great but today was really bad until the last few teamfights.
I think you can forgive the rookie playing in his 1st 3 games of professional play for having some bad games. I am not going to shit on TL unless its end of season and they show 0 improvement again. Its week 2 and they just promoted in 2 rookies.
of course we can forgive him, I don't see where anywhere in my post where I am attacking him or saying he's forever a shitter? I just stated a fact that he played a bad game that's all there is to it.
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
he played pretty bad today, especially the first 20 minutes or so.
but yes his first 2 games were pretty good.
to be fair he was stuck rotating around and didn't hit 6 until 17:30, so it's not completely his fault. for a good chunk of that time he was less useful than a siege minion.
i mean if the rotations were good and he were being useful with them sure
but half of them he just gave up a free kill in areas with no vision doing who knows what
I think the kid has a lot of talent and his first 2 games were great but today was really bad until the last few teamfights.
I think you can forgive the rookie playing in his 1st 3 games of professional play for having some bad games. I am not going to shit on TL unless its end of season and they show 0 improvement again. Its week 2 and they just promoted in 2 rookies.
of course we can forgive him, I don't see where anywhere in my post where I am attacking him or saying he's forever a shitter? I just stated a fact that he played a bad game that's all there is to it.
Wasn't directed at you, more a general comment for people to keep in mind about this team since people are pretty harsh on them as if they were the exact same team/staff. Then you could say "same ole TL" but now everything is changed except 2 players from last season so they should be given some time (especially with 2 fresh faced rookies).
On January 25 2016 11:51 asymptotech wrote: Guess I don't understand what's so bad about the first gif. Dude tries to make a play and missed by a small margin. How dare he?
Missing Ali combo happens sometimes, missing a pulverize after flashing for it against a target who was just walking away is pretty bad.
On January 25 2016 10:18 Caiada wrote: Can we just relegate everyone involved in the last two games besides Keith and Piglet. Playoffs this NA season are more painfully obvious than ever before.
Haven't watched those games yet, but Matt's played well overall in the two games I have seen of him.
he played pretty bad today, especially the first 20 minutes or so.
but yes his first 2 games were pretty good.
to be fair he was stuck rotating around and didn't hit 6 until 17:30, so it's not completely his fault. for a good chunk of that time he was less useful than a siege minion.
i mean if the rotations were good and he were being useful with them sure
but half of them he just gave up a free kill in areas with no vision doing who knows what
I think the kid has a lot of talent and his first 2 games were great but today was really bad until the last few teamfights.
I think it was a real teamwide struggle there, he was trying to ward and make plays but there was no # synergy for TL. He was taking a chance and trying to push the ward lines further out without vision and got killed for it.
We can TL has some grit, whatever that means. That was some season 2 Ziggs or Anivia right there
On January 25 2016 10:14 GolemMadness wrote: Shen is kind of just a garbage pick right now. He's terrible in team fights so you want him to split with his ult, but he's also bad at splitting. So many better picks up, but you give up GP and pick Shen? Why?
The only teams that play Shen are teams whose tops are trash mechanically (Lourlo, RF, Balls) to try and mask the weakness
Btw Gate Flame Horizoned RF he's such garbage, expect Flaresz to replace him soontm
I don't really agree with that, or at least I don't think Lourlo has trash mechanics. Shen is just popular because he's a potato champ that works well in teams that prioritize their mid/ADC, which TL (for better or for worse), C9 and REN are. He brings a lot more protection to the table (also why he's been a big pick for Odoamne, more protection for Forg1ven), if you really wanted a no-mechanics tank, people would play Mundo or something.
Lourlo has fine mechanics, probably better than average in the LCS. He's just probably not 100% comfortable on Shen (and let's be real, Shen is not the kind of champ he'd main and IDK how many games Lourlo's played with him-- I think Lourlo was a Nid main for a long time). I'm a little worried that Liquid's need for a tank will result in him not realizing his potential as carry toplaner... though if Matt can keep getting Ali who is the best tank from the support position maybe Lourlo will get to play some Fiora or something.
On January 26 2016 01:22 ticklishmusic wrote: Lourlo has fine mechanics, probably better than average in the LCS. He's just probably not 100% comfortable on Shen (and let's be real, Shen is not the kind of champ he'd main and IDK how many games Lourlo's played with him-- I think Lourlo was a Nid main for a long time). I'm a little worried that Liquid's need for a tank will result in him not realizing his potential as carry toplaner... though if Matt can keep getting Ali who is the best tank from the support position maybe Lourlo will get to play some Fiora or something.
Which is also the deep rooted problem of NA top laners that we don't like to talk about. The only ones that get scouted play carry champions and then play tanks in LCS and we wonder why NA top laners are all dumpster trash.
RF legendary is the newest one
Hm plays riven all day, he must be really good at mundo and other tanks.
Just kidding that makes no sense, another bad NA top laner
These MvP rewards are getting more and more fraudulent. Ok I can understand why you don't want to four stack and just say "four Immortal MvP's" but then at the very least you could've said Piglet was MvP ADC considering he literally is 1v9 every game. Jensen getting mid MvP is just completely mindboggling because I don't even think Riot themselves believed what they were saying there when they gave him the MvP.
On January 26 2016 05:43 KissBlade wrote: These MvP rewards are getting more and more fraudulent. Ok I can understand why you don't want to four stack and just say "four Immortal MvP's" but then at the very least you could've said Piglet was MvP ADC considering he literally is 1v9 every game. Jensen getting mid MvP is just completely mindboggling because I don't even think Riot themselves believed what they were saying there when they gave him the MvP.
Gate should have gotten MVP, winning in two roles what a god
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