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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote: Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:06 TitusVI wrote: they searched during offseason but loco is the only one that can talk with fenix. Koreans really do TL good. I know that's what happened during the offseason but are they stopping their search with Loco or are they still looking for someone who wants to coach so Loco can make content like he wants to | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:05 Hider wrote: Isn't Poppy more of a skillmatchup? And when Fiora gets 3+ items, doesn't she generally win anyway? Kinda seemed that way from the Huni vs Hauntzer matchup. And with regars to GP. From the games I've watched this season, he isn't used as a splitpusher. Like can you actually put him in a sidelane against Fiora while being somewhat safe against a dive? Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up. As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy probably has a decent-ish advantage, though if Fiora gets to split and farm so she gets a decent amount of items ahead she starts winning. She has really good armor itemization with DMP + IBG but past that it gets better as well. She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:08 Numy wrote: Poppy destroys Fiora completely. A skillmatchup would mean that Fiora could win if she plays well but really the only way for Fiora to be the Poppy is to be like 10 items to 2 and for Poppy to completely mess up. As I was corrected we have an instance this week of a Poppy being 100 CS down and still destroying Fiora. It's just not a matchup Fiora wins. Poppy got pretty even by the time the solo kill happened On January 24 2016 08:10 DystopiaX wrote: She had a flame horizon plus 2-3 kills in LCK and still couldn't win the matchup. Whats a flame horizon? | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:10 Dan HH wrote: Who taught Huhi english with all the likelikelikelikelikelike he lives in cali now | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
TL also has a problem where in the mid game if they don't know what to do they just sit back and farm the lanes. They just sit around and wait for something to happen. Another problem is that Piglet soaks up a lot of the farm. In the mid game he kept rotating through the lanes, taking the farm avaliable, and then recalling to go do the same in another lane. That places a lot of stress on TL because the waves in each lane are now pushed up which exposes anyone else (normally the top laner) to a lot of risk if they need to farm or fall behind economically, which makes snowballing top very early even more important. Things like needing to TP bot this game created a 20 cs deficit at the very start since the big wave pushing into inner tower all got left behind and then Lourlo was underwhelming not just because of his failed Flashes but was too economicall behind to matter in general. Piglet's playstyle is also stressing on the team because not grouping with team forces the rest of team to 4v5 and make it harder to defend the fast pushes or contest objectives. So TL's natural mentality is to go into that stall farm mode rather then be proactive. Leads don't get pushed. As much as Dardoch and Matt are great, unless they snowball a lane (pref top) really hard early game, this isn't something them joining will fix. This is about how TL plays and rotates midgame. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:10 ticklishmusic wrote: Poppy got pretty even by the time the solo kill happened Whats a flame horizon? 100 CS lead over the opposing top, it originated from OGN Spring 2013 when Blaze would let Flame freeze top lane for the whole game leading to insane CS leads | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:12 Fusilero wrote: 100 CS lead over the opposing top, it originated from OGN Spring 2013 when Blaze would let Flame freeze top lane for the whole game leading to insane CS leads Gotcha thanks Hmm, IDK then honestly, call me corrected here then.  I had no idea that Poppy destroyed Fiora that hard, but I guess I'm too used to playing Poppy on a jungle budget, which even when fed can't compare. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:12 Fusilero wrote: 100 CS lead over the opposing top, it originated from OGN Spring 2013 when Blaze would let Flame freeze top lane for the whole game leading to insane CS leads It also led to the biggest upset in Champions history because 1 trick team Modern day Flame horizoning is more impressive. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:14 ticklishmusic wrote: Gotcha thanks Hmm, IDK then honestly, call me corrected here then. I had no idea that Poppy destroyed Fiora that hard, but I guess I'm too used to playing Poppy on a jungle budget, which even when fed can't compare. Basically you just have tools to deal with everything. Rushing armor is a smooth buildup for poppy. Your base damage is high enough to one combo people who build offensive items. If you get behind you can just ult her ult. And your w gices you an extra stun in the match up sonce fiora is so dash based | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9384 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:06 Slusher wrote: No, it's free Fiora pickrate lck week1 to week2 dropped like a rock when teams proved poppy and kench can hold her off Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I remember Quinn being used as a counter though. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote: Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I remember Quinn being used as a counter though. LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:22 DystopiaX wrote: LZ vs samsung fiora won a matchup as hard as you possibly could and still went even late game. Imagine if the poppy wasn't cuvee and knew what they were doing Muh soloQ rank, muh cuvee is improving | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 24 2016 08:20 Hider wrote: Which games are you referring to? Longzhu vs Samsung? Wasn't exactly like Fiora didn't push Poppy pretty hard that game. And as I remember from watcing Samsung vs SKT on my smartphone, it didn't really proove either which champion wins in the late game. I mean her team fucked her on laneswap and Poppy still couldn't be 1v1d by Fiora | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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