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On June 05 2015 03:11 Ysellian wrote:
well a win is a win, but surprised how much fnatic struggled
two sloppy non 5v5 teamfights. I think it would have been a lot cleaner if they didn't get caught out so much.
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If they wanted a safe pick then why didnt they pick Lucian instead of Ezreal?
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On June 05 2015 03:11 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:00 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 05 2015 02:55 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:53 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:48 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:47 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote:
don't like rekkles' build.
Might as well just go corki Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't. yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos you know, tear + lucidity boots I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game. ? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity. Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz. yeah it's terrible. On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote:
nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once. if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
Maxing Q gives you better push and also better gapclosing (because you have a wider hp window to combo off of minions/monsters), it also gets the cd much lower when it does not reset (down to 4 with max cdr)
Irelia ability maxing is super flexable depending on match up I didn't think Fnatic was super tanky this game, however they did have slippery carries and a glass cannon build ryze, so yea, I'd probly max Q over W in this game also
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E levels add in the most damage unless you get more than 2 AAs and the Q, so pretty obvious to max it vs a ranged mage. Q levels add just as much damage as a W level unless you get those 2 AAs, but also reduce the CD for more frequent trades. So, basically, W is only better in toplane trades because they're longer and involve more AAs.
On June 05 2015 03:16 Sent. wrote:
If they wanted a safe pick then why didnt they pick Lucian instead of Ezreal?
Range is far better on Ez
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On June 05 2015 03:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:11 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 03:00 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 05 2015 02:55 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:53 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:48 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:47 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote:
don't like rekkles' build.
Might as well just go corki Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't. yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos you know, tear + lucidity boots I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game. ? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity. Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz. yeah it's terrible. On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote:
nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once. if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18. Hmm. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/TRKR1/630198?gameHash=352128330932868a&tab=builds&participant=3Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:11 Ysellian wrote:
well a win is a win, but surprised how much fnatic struggled It's not like Fnatic are somewhere in TCL, noone expects them to go 18-0.
And? Faker is trading damage for utility (shorter blade surge cooldown).
And Faker did jack all that game. He would've contributed far more with another champion.
On June 05 2015 03:16 Caiada wrote:E levels add in the most damage unless you get more than 2 AAs and the Q, so pretty obvious to max it vs a ranged mage. Q levels add just as much damage as a W level unless you get those 2 AAs, but also reduce the CD for more frequent trades. So, basically, W is only better in toplane trades because they're longer and involve more AAs. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:16 Sent. wrote:
If they wanted a safe pick then why didnt they pick Lucian instead of Ezreal? Range is far better on Ez
One auto. Q procs W.
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On June 05 2015 03:18 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:11 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 03:00 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 05 2015 02:55 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:53 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:48 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:47 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote:
don't like rekkles' build.
Might as well just go corki Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't. yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos you know, tear + lucidity boots I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game. ? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity. Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz. yeah it's terrible. On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote:
nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once. if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18. maxed q does 60 more damage? damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s.
to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins
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On June 05 2015 03:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:11 Ysellian wrote:
well a win is a win, but surprised how much fnatic struggled It's not like Fnatic are somewhere in TCL, noone expects them to go 18-0.
I don't expect them to go 18-0. just didn't expect this against Roccat.
edit: also feeling the msi hype so this killed my buzz a little 
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On June 05 2015 03:24 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:19 Slusher wrote:On June 05 2015 03:18 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 03:11 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 03:00 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 05 2015 02:55 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:53 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:48 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:47 foxmeep wrote:
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Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't. yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos you know, tear + lucidity boots I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game. ? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity. Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz. yeah it's terrible. On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote:
nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once. if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18. maxed q does 60 more damage? damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s. to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins Q max still better in all-ins. also he needs to stop being so defensive. instantly jumps to argue about irelia after giving up on justifying zerkers triforce ez
Q max is better for sure but your reasoning made no sense in context
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On June 05 2015 03:24 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:19 Slusher wrote:On June 05 2015 03:18 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 03:11 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 03:00 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 05 2015 02:55 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:53 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:48 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:47 foxmeep wrote:
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Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't. yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos you know, tear + lucidity boots I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game. ? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity. Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz. yeah it's terrible. On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote:
nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once. if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18. maxed q does 60 more damage? damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s. to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins Q max still better in all-ins. also he needs to stop being so defensive. instantly jumps to argue about irelia after giving up on justifying zerkers triforce ez
Zerkers does more DPS, Lucidity has more utility. I'm not going to bother doing the math for you.
And tell me, how does max Q do more damage than max W? Level 1 Q and Level 5 W = 120 more true damage with ONE auto attack. Level 5 Q and Level 1 W = 120 more PHYSICAL damage.
Tell me, what's better for "ALL IN" when you can't even cast Q twice in an ALL IN anyways. Max Q is purely for utility.
Stop spewing shit when you're wrong.
Edit: are you seriously trying to argue that Q does more damage ALL IN than W? You are basically telling me that you won't auto attack more than ONCE when you ALL IN someone?
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On June 05 2015 03:28 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:24 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 03:19 Slusher wrote:On June 05 2015 03:18 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 03:11 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 03:00 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 05 2015 02:55 krndandaman wrote:On June 05 2015 02:53 foxmeep wrote:On June 05 2015 02:48 krndandaman wrote:
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yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game. ? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity. Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz. yeah it's terrible. On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote:
nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once. if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18. maxed q does 60 more damage? damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s. to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins Q max still better in all-ins. also he needs to stop being so defensive. instantly jumps to argue about irelia after giving up on justifying zerkers triforce ez Zerkers does more DPS, Lucidity has more utility. I'm not going to bother doing the math for you. And tell me, how does max Q do more damage than max W? Level 1 Q and Level 5 W = 120 more true damage with ONE auto attack. Level 5 Q and Level 1 W = 120 more PHYSICAL damage. Tell me, what's better for "ALL IN" when you can't even cast Q twice in an ALL IN anyways. Max Q is purely for utility. Stop spewing shit when you're wrong.
you can get back on them a lot easier when they try to run after they realise you are killing them
especially vs. azir and ezreal who will use their escapes
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I tell you that Gambit going to protect the Salt strat.
at least Bets will play just for him l o l.
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WTF
I watched Quas play Gragas top and doing nice but that was na soloq.
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