On June 05 2015 01:27 nafta wrote: We are actually on patch 5.10 wonderful unless krepo lied
Btw I think it would be awesome if we had a link to the patch notes in the OP. I think being aware of the changes in the current patch is super important.
Anyways the most surprising thing is how much better werlyb and frederic are looking this split, then again they looked good at the start of last split so let's see where those two go from here
On June 05 2015 01:50 Naphal wrote: krepo is getting on my nerves... zero praise 100% criticism and overanalysing... hope he finds a chillmode sooner than later...
There isnt much to praise in this game, maybe besides morg bindings
On June 05 2015 01:58 nafta wrote: Until elements learn to draft they won't start winning games.They aren't a talented roster that just outclasess opponents anymore.
I think the issue is Froggen has never been the smartest of players out of the game(Remember that blind pick diana) so with him having so much say on the team it means his weaknesses don't really get fixed. Drafting phase is so important in league currently yet they have been without anyone smart calling the shots or teaching it to the team for a very long time now.
On June 05 2015 02:18 Redox wrote: I somehow still believe in Nukeduck. I think he is gonna come out of his shell some day and show up.
Been waiting for well over a split for the roccat everyone promises to show up and rescue jankos from elo hell, still waiting. At this point you need CLG levels of faith to trust the roccatducks
Important thing to know about new Ryze is he has a 12% MR shred that is AoE and stacks three times. Ryze/Azir will be the most cancer lategame damage of all time in any extended fight
I would never, ever, ever pick Eve into Gragas. Literally Eve's only value is in early pressure, and Gragas does it better in every way, and then scales ten times as hard into lategame.
Saving grace for Fnatic is that Roccat can't siege at all and has pretty low lategame damage. If they fall behind further, they're fucked tho. Either way, I'm calling a long, looong game.
If Fnatic loses, this has nothing to do with Ryze. All on the Eve pick. I'm still very confident in the other 4 picks though.
I think nukeduck fucked up badly by not jumping on Huni. Also fucking Jankos, knows enemies have vision of him, doesn't know where enemies are, proceeds to do crab between two unwarded bushes.
On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote: don't like rekkles' build. Might as well just go corki
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
Edit: some really poorly positioned team fights from FNC :/
On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote: don't like rekkles' build. Might as well just go corki
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
Why did Maokai build Thornmail over more HP/MR? Why is Woolite going HP over more Armour/CDR... ? Even gauntlet (since they have FH) would be good here, is he going warmogs?
On June 05 2015 03:06 Slusher wrote: I don't blame him, but the instinct shift out by rekless after he got casked towards morg costed him a double kill
Flashed out I think. Was oom and being targetted by Urgot, so it was dangerous to keep chasing
On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote: don't like rekkles' build. Might as well just go corki
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote: don't like rekkles' build. Might as well just go corki
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote: don't like rekkles' build. Might as well just go corki
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
Maxing Q gives you better push and also better gapclosing (because you have a wider hp window to combo off of minions/monsters), it also gets the cd much lower when it does not reset (down to 4 with max cdr)
Irelia ability maxing is super flexable depending on match up I didn't think Fnatic was super tanky this game, however they did have slippery carries and a glass cannon build ryze, so yea, I'd probly max Q over W in this game also
E levels add in the most damage unless you get more than 2 AAs and the Q, so pretty obvious to max it vs a ranged mage. Q levels add just as much damage as a W level unless you get those 2 AAs, but also reduce the CD for more frequent trades. So, basically, W is only better in toplane trades because they're longer and involve more AAs.
On June 05 2015 03:16 Sent. wrote: If they wanted a safe pick then why didnt they pick Lucian instead of Ezreal?
On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote: don't like rekkles' build. Might as well just go corki
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
On June 05 2015 03:11 Ysellian wrote: well a win is a win, but surprised how much fnatic struggled
It's not like Fnatic are somewhere in TCL, noone expects them to go 18-0.
And? Faker is trading damage for utility (shorter blade surge cooldown).
And Faker did jack all that game. He would've contributed far more with another champion.
On June 05 2015 03:16 Caiada wrote: E levels add in the most damage unless you get more than 2 AAs and the Q, so pretty obvious to max it vs a ranged mage. Q levels add just as much damage as a W level unless you get those 2 AAs, but also reduce the CD for more frequent trades. So, basically, W is only better in toplane trades because they're longer and involve more AAs.
On June 05 2015 02:44 krndandaman wrote: don't like rekkles' build. Might as well just go corki
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
maxed q does 60 more damage?
damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s.
to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
maxed q does 60 more damage?
damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s.
to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins
Q max still better in all-ins. also he needs to stop being so defensive. instantly jumps to argue about irelia after giving up on justifying zerkers triforce ez
Q max is better for sure but your reasoning made no sense in context
Corki has to auto someone to proc TriF... Ez doesn't.
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
maxed q does 60 more damage?
damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s.
to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins
Q max still better in all-ins. also he needs to stop being so defensive. instantly jumps to argue about irelia after giving up on justifying zerkers triforce ez
Zerkers does more DPS, Lucidity has more utility. I'm not going to bother doing the math for you. And tell me, how does max Q do more damage than max W? Level 1 Q and Level 5 W = 120 more true damage with ONE auto attack. Level 5 Q and Level 1 W = 120 more PHYSICAL damage.
Tell me, what's better for "ALL IN" when you can't even cast Q twice in an ALL IN anyways. Max Q is purely for utility.
Stop spewing shit when you're wrong.
Edit: are you seriously trying to argue that Q does more damage ALL IN than W? You are basically telling me that you won't auto attack more than ONCE when you ALL IN someone?
yeah then you would think you would go for an ez build that doesn't rely on autos
you know, tear + lucidity boots
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
maxed q does 60 more damage?
damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s.
to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins
Q max still better in all-ins. also he needs to stop being so defensive. instantly jumps to argue about irelia after giving up on justifying zerkers triforce ez
Zerkers does more DPS, Lucidity has more utility. I'm not going to bother doing the math for you. And tell me, how does max Q do more damage than max W? Level 1 Q and Level 5 W = 120 more true damage with ONE auto attack. Level 5 Q and Level 1 W = 120 more PHYSICAL damage.
Tell me, what's better for "ALL IN" when you can't even cast Q twice in an ALL IN anyways. Max Q is purely for utility.
Stop spewing shit when you're wrong.
you can get back on them a lot easier when they try to run after they realise you are killing them
especially vs. azir and ezreal who will use their escapes
I think TriF is the "happy medium" build path. Gives Ez strong poke, with a strong mid game power spike, but then building for AAs doesn't gimp him late game.
? the tear build is stronger than any AA reliant build for ezreal unless you go something retarded like shiv/ie. triforce/zerker boots falls off harder compared to tear triforce lucidity.
Zerkers is just awful because of passive, you don't need it at all. I swear, Rekkles, it has to be essence reaver, for sake of all lulz.
yeah it's terrible.
On June 05 2015 02:59 kongoline wrote: nukeduck maxes W last on irelia Oo
fairly normal vs squishy ranged mages. you just want the most burst possible and most dmg in short trades
no it isn't. one auto and one Q is already more damage with maxed W compared to maxed Q (120 true damage vs 120 phys). and you're going to auto at least more than once.
if you're not going to max W first or second, there is absolutely no reason to play Irelia. W has no scaling, it's useless at level 18.
maxed q does 60 more damage?
damage isn't even the main reason you max q though. it lowers the cd of q from 14 to a whopping 6. you need that lower CD on Q as a midlaner and you can force WAY more favorable trades then you can with W max. W's on a 15s cd and doesn't scale with levels so you can only force those trades every 15s.
to be fair to him the conversation is over what to max 2nd so in lane trades aren't highly relevant, kinda, but less so than all ins
Q max still better in all-ins. also he needs to stop being so defensive. instantly jumps to argue about irelia after giving up on justifying zerkers triforce ez
Zerkers does more DPS, Lucidity has more utility. I'm not going to bother doing the math for you. And tell me, how does max Q do more damage than max W? Level 1 Q and Level 5 W = 120 more true damage with ONE auto attack. Level 5 Q and Level 1 W = 120 more PHYSICAL damage.
Tell me, what's better for "ALL IN" when you can't even cast Q twice in an ALL IN anyways. Max Q is purely for utility.
Stop spewing shit when you're wrong.
yeah more DPS when you're just standing still autoing LOL you sure pick ez to stand still and auto people!
also your math is wrong: 120+30 truedmg = q + auto with q max 20+120true dmg = q + auto with w max
so 100 more physical damage, 90 less true damage with the option to Q again in like 4-5s
stop being so defensive when you're wrong.
At the point you have 5 ranks in Q and 1 rank in W, you do not have a Frozen Heart, or any CDR for that matter. You have a 6 second CDR on Q.
Sorry, last time I checked all in doesn't mean 6 second trade.
Edit: Rank 5 Q does 140. Rank 5 W does 75 true. My math is correct.
On June 05 2015 03:38 Numy wrote: Guess Gambit know they'll get auto-relegated this split so just going to have fun.
WTF?
Betsy,Diamond and Gosu are all bad. CW is better as a team and Giants at least have Pepi. Giving up the best jungler in the meta for a voli?? Only bads do that.
Gambit needs to tell Diamond to play meta picks if they're up, Gragas full AP top sucks, and they absolutely have to fix their macro gameplay if they want to actually not get autorelegated. If they keep playing like this, they have no chance vs *any* team, let alone the top ones.
I hope Soaz plays more Rumble so I can laugh at his builds.
On June 05 2015 04:13 Caiada wrote: Gambit needs to tell Diamond to play meta picks if they're up, Gragas full AP top sucks, and they absolutely have to fix their macro gameplay if they want to actually not get autorelegated. If they keep playing like this, they have no chance vs *any* team, let alone the top ones.
I hope Soaz plays more Rumble so I can laugh at his builds.
Niels being confused if this is really LCS. He thought it's where the good people play, but it's too easy. Riot guy writes to SK that they should actually try.
On June 05 2015 05:04 Mensol wrote: SK, Gambit and EL on their way to relegation.
Can't forget Roccat.
Gambit is probably the saddest, but SK sucking after picking up Candy and keeping Nrated is delicious.
Are Giants so bad people think they will get autorelegated from the last place or do you guys honestly think they're better than Gambit, EL, SK or Roccat?
its just questionable that such a long term lcs team like sk hasnt the money to get another good adc. Going back to a cheap adc because its easy and cheap is just mind destroying. Very aquestionable way to organise a team by the manager of sk.
On June 05 2015 05:04 Mensol wrote: SK, Gambit and EL on their way to relegation.
Can't forget Roccat.
Gambit is probably the saddest, but SK sucking after picking up Candy and keeping Nrated is delicious.
Are Giants so bad people say they will get autorelegated from last place or do you guys honestly think they're better than Gambit, EL, SK or Roccat?
Well we're basically making snap judgements based on two and a half weeks of play but right now giants looks solid. Definitely not autorelegation material
I shouldn't knock CandyPanda. He's ok. I should knock the decision to keep Nrated and not do what was necessary to keep a top-tier ADC, instead hanging him out to dry for their bad support because lolloyalty.
EDIT: Have I mentioned soaz sucks at rumble, because fuckin fuck that fucking shitty equalizer killed me inside
On June 05 2015 05:13 Caiada wrote: I shouldn't knock CandyPanda. He's ok. I should knock the decision to keep Nrated and not do what was necessary to keep a top-tier ADC, instead hanging him out to dry for their bad support because lolloyalty.
with that mindset sk deserves to be knocked out of lcs. I will hope for it.
On June 05 2015 05:12 Apex wrote: 0/15 top/jungle.
Btw always seemed to me that Inneflame and also Forgiven mainly had a problem with Svenskeren and Fredy judging from various statements. While the public always seemed to think it was about nRated for whatever reason.
On June 05 2015 05:12 Apex wrote: 0/15 top/jungle.
Btw always seemed to me that Inneflame and also Forgiben mainly had a problem with Svenskeren and Fredy judging from various statements. While the public always seemed to think it was about nRated for whatever reason.
Forg1ven said one person on the team wanted him off, with innerflame leaving I think realistically only top side could have the clout to give forg1ven the boot. I'm gonna guess that it was svenskeren's call.
Nrated's the easy target when players like zytan are living that struggle while he continues to flop around LCS but really nrated is far from the biggest problem
sk is basically a team full of ok players, with svenskeren as potentially a top tier player when the meta favors him. Now that all of his champs are out of meta, he just looks really bad, and the team looks collectively worse.
On June 05 2015 05:12 Apex wrote: 0/15 top/jungle.
Btw always seemed to me that Inneflame and also Forgiben mainly had a problem with Svenskeren and Fredy judging from various statements. While the public always seemed to think it was about nRated for whatever reason.
Forg1ven said one person on the team wanted him off, with innerflame leaving I think realistically only top side could have the clout to give forg1ven the boot. I'm gonna guess that it was svenskeren's call.
Nrated's the easy target when players like zytan are living that struggle while he continues to flop around LCS but really nrated is far from the biggest problem
SK was also said to be split into 3 2-man groups and I am very sure those there Innerflame/Fox, Svenskeren/Fredy and Forgiven/nRated. Yet people kept claiming Forgiven had a problem with nRated without anything pointing to that.
On June 05 2015 05:15 Mensol wrote: What the fuck fredy is doing?
I don't think he knows either
On June 05 2015 05:16 Redox wrote:
On June 05 2015 05:12 Apex wrote: 0/15 top/jungle.
Btw always seemed to me that Inneflame and also Forgiben mainly had a problem with Svenskeren and Fredy judging from various statements. While the public always seemed to think it was about nRated for whatever reason.
Forg1ven said one person on the team wanted him off, with innerflame leaving I think realistically only top side could have the clout to give forg1ven the boot. I'm gonna guess that it was svenskeren's call.
Nrated's the easy target when players like zytan are living that struggle while he continues to flop around LCS but really nrated is far from the biggest problem
SK was also said to be split into 3 2-man groups and I am very sure those there Innerflame/Fox, Svenskeren/Fredy and Forgiven/nRated. Yet people kept claiming Forgiven had a problem with nRated without anything pointing to that.
I think it was this one article where it was reported forg1ven wanted hylissang or he'd walk where the idea of nrated being the dealbreaker for forg1ven came from.
sustained dps magic damage is just a stupid concept. Especially when they get tanky as well. There is very poor MR itemization in this game so the trade off is you dont need too much of it as a tank since it cuts into burst a lot harder then sustained dps. There is also no magic damage thornmail.
So yea given the right numbers ryze, cass, etc are always going to be stupid.
On June 05 2015 06:11 Fusilero wrote: Freeze learning how far loyalty gets you
im wondering how good the offers were
if it were like SK and elements, he might actually be in a decent place l0l
He actually told on SI he had an offer from SK and asked them back what change they were gonna make to the roster. And after a week with no response he just decided not to move because he find it shady that they didn't responded (he felt like a second choice) and he was not sure about the players attitude vs him. He actually asked to tryout for them before after worlds and they didn't even try him out because certain players ont the team didn't thought he was a good enough player and were concerned about his attitude (and then SK brought in FORG1VENGRE :D).
sk could have benched all players before the split, get forg1ven, get two good koreans, and hand pick other young talentet players. but sk isnt fnatic.
On June 05 2015 19:24 TitusVI wrote: sk could have benched all players before the split, get forg1ven, get two good koreans, and hand pick other young talentet players. but sk isnt fnatic.
Don't think it would work unless forgiven steps up as a leader for said team and he even said he doesn't think he could pull it off.FNC had yellowstar.
On June 05 2015 19:24 TitusVI wrote: sk could have benched all players before the split, get forg1ven, get two good koreans, and hand pick other young talentet players. but sk isnt fnatic.
Forgiven claims he was offered something like that but refused. So there is that.
Also it is not that easy to just pick 2 Koreans to fill your team. A few NA teams tried exactly that and failed. Actually Fnatic is the only western team so far where it really worked. Probably because they were somewhat lucky with their 2 Koreans and because they had a strong backbone with Yellowstar as leader.
On June 05 2015 19:24 TitusVI wrote: sk could have benched all players before the split, get forg1ven, get two good koreans, and hand pick other young talentet players. but sk isnt fnatic.
Forgiven claims he was offered something like that but refused. So there is that.
Also it is not that easy to just pick 2 Koreans to fill your team. A few NA teams tried exactly that and failed.
I doubt SK would do something like this. I mean, they managed to qualify for worlds without Forgiven, why bench the whole roster just because your inflexible adc doesn't get along with someone you rely on since years?
Wait, proper comp from team with Diamondprox and Forg1ven? Magical things are happening tonight, Shaunz. And Huni with imp'esque glasses, what a legend.
On June 06 2015 01:28 Prog wrote: Coin on Morgana is interesting.
New coin op, runspeed is everything :D
Not to mention it gives more gold than before.
I don't think it is that simple.
I best guess is that it has more to do with the Ez pick and thereby the decision to play very passive. It also explains the bind lvl 1 and that they did not even try to push for 2.
On June 06 2015 01:44 Sent. wrote: Why Morellos instead of Athenes on Ahri?
I think she just wants the 80 ap to maximize ap. She doesn't really have mana issues and the 25 mr isn't really helpful on her when she gets eaten from true damages and it's not like she's gonna tank 3 sandsoldiers with that pathetic extra mr. She's probably going abyssal scepter next.
Edit: well I'm wrong, looks like he wants the op Luden's spike.
On June 06 2015 01:44 Sent. wrote: Why Morellos instead of Athenes on Ahri?
I think she just wants the 80 ap to maximize ap. She doesn't really have mana issues and the 25 mr isn't really helpful on her when she gets eaten from true damages and it's not like she's gonna tank 3 sandsoldiers with that pathetic extra mr. She's probably going abyssal scepter next.
Why would she that would make too much sense?Enemy has double ap and you have double ap with gragas who gives a shit about mpen aura ^^
On June 06 2015 02:03 Numy wrote: He played pretty well last week. This game just doesn't seem like his. Don't really pick Ez just so he dies first every fight.
not really he played average at best his team was just so ahead it didnt matter.he missed most of his arrows even
That's a combo of luck from Fnatic (almost losing 2 people under 200 HP at the start of the fight), and bad positioning from Gambit, putting everyone low but never able to collapse on a target so they split the damage after the initiation.
On June 06 2015 02:08 Alaric wrote: That's a combo of luck from Fnatic (almost losing 2 people under 200 HP at the start of the fight), and bad positioning from Gambit, putting everyone low but never able to collapse on a target so they split the damage after the initiation.
lol
so this is why febiven azir has been banned so much
Diamond's positioning is so meh, he always gets poked super low because of that so Gambit can't ever initiate on Gambit, or rely on Ryze... who isn't that tanky.
Fnatic are just so much better at teamfighting and knowing the strength of their team comp. Gambit looked slightly less shit today at least. Maybe they can somehow avoid relegation.
FNC won that fight around baron so hard because F0RG1VENT1LTL0RD is afraid to fucking auto attack. But then he runs casually near Azir when he has vision of him.
On June 06 2015 02:14 Uldridge wrote: FNC won that fight around baron so hard because F0RG1VENT1LTL0RD is afraid to fucking auto attack. But then he runs casually near Azir when he has vision of him.
He had reasons to be afraid, had more than 50% hp before Azir deleted him
On June 06 2015 02:14 Uldridge wrote: FNC won that fight around baron so hard because F0RG1VENT1LTL0RD is afraid to fucking auto attack. But then he runs casually near Azir when he has vision of him.
He had reasons to be afraid, had more than 50% hp before Azir deleted him
Like did you see the replay just now? He went to the bottom side when he could easily go to the topside of the river to kill the cho'gath. But no. Let's casually walk to the Azir sandsoldiers..
I vastly underestimated how hard it is to get at Ezreal + Kog'maw with a Morgana to help them, and also the impact Jax would have (particularly against Zed).
i miss jax, not in my soloQ games but in tournaments its pretty fun to watch people fight and actually do dmg not 2 tanks slap each other and wait for 3-4man gank
We can start speculating what happens to SK after they get relegated right? nRated and Candy disband, fredy plays in challenger and is irrelevant, not sure what happens to Sven and Fox (Sven possibly to NA?).
On June 06 2015 03:12 AlterKot wrote: We can start speculating what happens to SK after they get relegated right? nRated and Candy disband, fredy plays in challenger and is irrelevant, not sure what happens to Sven and Fox (Sven possibly to NA?).
On June 06 2015 03:12 AlterKot wrote: We can start speculating what happens to SK after they get relegated right? nRated and Candy disband, fredy plays in challenger and is irrelevant, not sure what happens to Sven and Fox (Sven possibly to NA?).
Sven lost motivation imo so I doubt it. Also not the best rep. Fox would have better chances.
But still the split is long. Although even if they survive it there will probably be major roster changes.
On June 06 2015 03:12 AlterKot wrote: We can start speculating what happens to SK after they get relegated right? nRated and Candy disband, fredy plays in challenger and is irrelevant, not sure what happens to Sven and Fox (Sven possibly to NA?).
Sven lost motivation imo so I doubt it. Also not the best rep. Fox would have better chances.
But still the split is long. Although even if they survive it there will probably be major roster changes.
While my guess is as good as yours, from interactions with pros, Montecristo's opinion etc. I think Sven has bad rep only with "fans", not with people in the scene. Especially if he'd go to, say, TSM on recommendation of Bjerg or whatever, if Santorin doesn't improve.
On June 06 2015 03:12 AlterKot wrote: We can start speculating what happens to SK after they get relegated right? nRated and Candy disband, fredy plays in challenger and is irrelevant, not sure what happens to Sven and Fox (Sven possibly to NA?).
Sven lost motivation imo so I doubt it. Also not the best rep. Fox would have better chances.
But still the split is long. Although even if they survive it there will probably be major roster changes.
While my guess is as good as yours, from interactions with pros, Montecristo's opinion etc. I think Sven has bad rep only with "fans", not with people in the scene. Especially if he'd go to, say, TSM on recommendation of Bjerg or whatever, if Santorin doesn't improve.
Even in first CW split Svenskeren wasn't bitching big time for Bjergsen. So if Dyrus stays for next season as well, not gonna happen.
On June 06 2015 03:49 nafta wrote: Really wish uol had a good adc would be such a great eu team :/
Honestly they had no problem dropping Gillius without second thought, they could just ask Youngbuck to check for them who's the top ranked adc without a team and have an instant improvement.
That was kind of forced onto woolite, it looked terrible and it pretty much was but nukeduck was dead, there's no nexus turrets and steve was about to die. Woolite had to basically pray he somehow killed koggles and sivir since they were killable with a bit of rnjesus.
wollite is a complete tard seriously. if i were roccat flyy i would call a taxi, push woolite in it, give the driver 300 euros and tell him to drive as far as possible.
On June 06 2015 04:39 Fusilero wrote: I would like to inform roccat that one Yuri "Keithmcbrief" Jew is twenty minutes from finishing high school right now :>
On June 06 2015 04:39 Fusilero wrote: I would like to inform roccat that one Yuri "Keithmcbrief" Jew is twenty minutes from finishing high school right now :>
Roccat Jesiz
Jesiz has option of playing with best EU support :>
On June 06 2015 04:39 Fusilero wrote: I would like to inform roccat that one Yuri "Keithmcbrief" Jew is twenty minutes from finishing high school right now :>
On June 06 2015 04:39 Fusilero wrote: I would like to inform roccat that one Yuri "Keithmcbrief" Jew is twenty minutes from finishing high school right now :>
Roccat Jesiz
Jesiz has option of playing with best EU support :>
On June 06 2015 04:47 AlterKot wrote: Searching for best support EU made me check Challenger and EUNE actually went 2-12 against EUW! They're getting there!
It's great that they get 5 qualifier spots like EUW, you can really feel the participation.
Funny that EL changed four of their players and they still doing as bad as last split. is Froggen the one who causes problems?! In the end, he is the in game leader.
Not really the greatest game. EL drafts so horribly holy shit. Janna makes like zero sense, when you have Gragas, Gnar and Kassadin. I get that Lucian and Janna is a good lane paring but still, picking Janna when you have so much engage/disengage is just completely unnecessary. Pick something like Nautilus, he's like a more tanky version of Janna in the way of peeling.
On June 06 2015 05:27 Wita wrote: Not really the greatest game. EL drafts so horribly holy shit. Janna makes like zero sense, when you have Gragas, Gnar and Kassadin. I get that Lucian and Janna is a good lane paring but still, picking Janna when you have so much engage/disengage is just completely unnecessary. Pick something like Nautilus, he's like a more tanky version of Janna in the way of peeling.
Alliance only cared about laning phase, EL only cared about laning phase and now the new EL only cares about laning phase. They have never been a smart team. They won games through being superior laners/players when everyone else in EU was bad.
On June 06 2015 05:32 Fusilero wrote: So the clear problem is that froggen's not a team player. It's okay guys I know a Danish mid who is all about the teamplay + Show Spoiler +
just switch between froggen and jesiz. would be hilliarous.
It's pretty satisfying that Ocelote has been trying to get a team into LCS for like 4 splits, while Peke takes Soaz, picks up 3 great free agents, then proceeds to gangbang the LCS together.
On June 06 2015 06:23 krndandaman wrote: origen is the team froggen dreams of being on
all you need to do is farm and you win!
Well Peke picked not washed up veterans and an actual promising solo queue talent.
Could we stop calling Niels soloq talent? The guy has been playing in CS for like two years now... PromisQ is soloq talent, Niels isnt.
Yeah, I specifically said free agent because Niels was in the CS for ages and Amazing/Mithy have floated around for at least as long. Peke made excellent choices though.
On June 06 2015 06:23 krndandaman wrote: origen is the team froggen dreams of being on
all you need to do is farm and you win!
Well Peke picked not washed up veterans and an actual promising solo queue talent.
Could we stop calling Niels soloq talent? The guy has been playing in CS for like two years now... PromisQ is soloq talent, Niels isnt.
Yeah, I specifically said free agent because Niels was in the CS for ages and Amazing/Mithy have floated around for at least as long. Peke made excellent choices though.
On June 06 2015 14:08 739 wrote: I've actually started to like GIANTS, seems like they improved a bit. Also there is a reason behind banning Jax against GIA ;-)
I don't think they've improved much, just other teams are worse than expected.
On June 06 2015 07:30 krndandaman wrote: my only concern was and still is, soaz. if he stays motivated origen can definitely be a contender for #1 EU. but soaz from the last moments of former fnatic was just sad to watch. really hope he can keep it up.
Yeah. He's playing out of his mind right now and shows why many considered him one of the best toplaners in 2013. But losing motivation, getting complacent or tilting was always his problem. Soaz is the X-Factor. If he maintains his level Origen can go a looooong way.
Don't forget about xPeke. soaz was not the only player to lose motivation during season and have several sub-par games. They were 3 of them in the old Fnatic.
But I also hope they keep playing at this level, this is really good and entertaining. And Origen is actually the only team with Fnatic to not disappoint so far (that H2K-OG game war really disappointing from H2K).
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