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On May 03 2015 05:19 Faeny wrote:
I expect TSM to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players looks dominant in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. The representatives at IEM aren't close to being the same as the ones at MSI.
I'm looking forwards to EDG vs SKT - I'm really interested to see how the laners match up. The level of competition in Korea has definitely decreased, but by how much? And which local teamfighting style will come out on top?
The lineup of MSI is literally the same as the one as IEM plus the number 1 Chinese team instead of WE.
The fact that so much talent left Korea has already and will continue to prove pretty fucking devastating. It's the main reason I'm so confident that they won't win MSI.
I'm not even sure what "teamfighting style" means, they are playing the same game guys, it's not martial arts.
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On May 03 2015 05:36 Fusilero wrote:
I expect everyone to get exposed because nobody is good at league of legends.
I feel like I'm reading my serious posts about MvC3 players.
You're not wrong though.
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Froggen just said on his stream that SKT T1 is favorite to win MSI.
He also said that TSM vs SKT T1 going to be a good game.
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On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb.
I don't know, I thought it was pretty obvious that Zer0das was making a parody.
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On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb.
Yeah except Korea isn't without a doubt top 2 lol.
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On May 03 2015 06:17 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 06:14 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. I don't know, I thought it was pretty obvious that Zer0das was making a parody. i assumed so at first but since you were comparing korea this year to korea last year i was also assuming you weren't taking it as a parody.
Parody's can be, and often are, topical.
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On May 03 2015 05:47 LimpingGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 05:19 Faeny wrote:
I expect TSM to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players looks dominant in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. The representatives at IEM aren't close to being the same as the ones at MSI.
I'm looking forwards to EDG vs SKT - I'm really interested to see how the laners match up. The level of competition in Korea has definitely decreased, but by how much? And which local teamfighting style will come out on top? The lineup of MSI is literally the same as the one as IEM plus the number 1 Chinese team instead of WE.
Why don't you take a seat over here so I can explain to you what the world literally means.
TSM is literally the only team at MSI that was at IEM.
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On May 03 2015 06:25 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 05:47 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 05:19 Faeny wrote:
I expect TSM to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players looks dominant in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. The representatives at IEM aren't close to being the same as the ones at MSI.
I'm looking forwards to EDG vs SKT - I'm really interested to see how the laners match up. The level of competition in Korea has definitely decreased, but by how much? And which local teamfighting style will come out on top? The lineup of MSI is literally the same as the one as IEM plus the number 1 Chinese team instead of WE. Why don't you take a seat over here so I can explain to you what the world literally means. TSM is literally the only team at MSI that was at IEM.
"The representatives at IEM aren't close to being the same as the ones at MSI."
They are different teams but the point is that they were also number 1 in their region at the time. Except for China.
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On May 03 2015 06:27 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 06:24 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. Yeah except Korea isn't without a doubt top 2 lol. please don't tell me you think NA is lol Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 06:17 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:14 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. I don't know, I thought it was pretty obvious that Zer0das was making a parody. i assumed so at first but since you were comparing korea this year to korea last year i was also assuming you weren't taking it as a parody. Parody's can be, and often are, topical. ? don't get your point.
Well we all assume that the region with the best team is the best region, and the region with the second best team is the second best region, so going off of that then yes I think TSM is top 2 in the World. I mean I actually think they are the best in the World but if we're just talking top two then... yes.
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On May 03 2015 06:31 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 06:30 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 06:27 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:24 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. Yeah except Korea isn't without a doubt top 2 lol. please don't tell me you think NA is lol On May 03 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 06:17 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:14 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. I don't know, I thought it was pretty obvious that Zer0das was making a parody. i assumed so at first but since you were comparing korea this year to korea last year i was also assuming you weren't taking it as a parody. Parody's can be, and often are, topical. ? don't get your point. Well we all assume that the region with the best team is the best region, and the region with the second best team is the second best region, so going off of that then yes I think TSM is top 2 in the World. I mean I actually think they are the best in the World but if we're just talking top two then... yes. no, we don't all assume that the region with the best team is the best region. even if I thought TSM was the best team in the world, I still wouldn't think NA is the best region.
yeah what has the region to do with a team? thats completly nonsense.
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On May 03 2015 05:47 LimpingGoat wrote:
The lineup of MSI is literally the same as the one as IEM plus the number 1 Chinese team instead of WE.
Literally.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea."
You can't judge like that.
It's not like Korea was ever at level when "Look, our 10 teams can beat whoever they face on international arena"
Yes, SKT T1 #2 K and Samsung White were best on planet and untouchable, but other but Samsung Blue in 2014? Hell no.
People just always thought that Korea is untouchable because Chinese teams never got lucky with international events outside of iG beating CJ Frost with Maknoon mid in finals of IEM Singapore. Since IPL 5, Chinese teams went to IEM WC twice, once they got patchzerged to Morgana despite iG trashing Fnatic once, second time World Elite almost won tournament being dead 12th in LPL.
And what was happening at Worlds? Right, Chinese teams were either getting drawn to play each other, so Uzi could become biggest fraud ever and getting to two finals by not playing a single Korean team before it or OMG were drawn to beat NJWS and then suffer classic OMG chokedeath.
SKT T1 is still stronger than anyone but EDG in the world, period.
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On May 03 2015 06:27 LimpingGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 06:25 red_ wrote:On May 03 2015 05:47 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 05:19 Faeny wrote:
I expect TSM to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players looks dominant in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. The representatives at IEM aren't close to being the same as the ones at MSI.
I'm looking forwards to EDG vs SKT - I'm really interested to see how the laners match up. The level of competition in Korea has definitely decreased, but by how much? And which local teamfighting style will come out on top? The lineup of MSI is literally the same as the one as IEM plus the number 1 Chinese team instead of WE. Why don't you take a seat over here so I can explain to you what the world literally means. TSM is literally the only team at MSI that was at IEM. "The representatives at IEM aren't close to being the same as the ones at MSI." They are different teams but the point is that they were also number 1 in their region at the time. Except for China.
A lot of people were already jumping off the SK bandwagon and felt like Fnatic were on track to win EU yet again, CJ was definitely not accepted as better than SKT1(or even Jin Air at the time, although they would start playing better at the end of the season), and glossing over the difference between WE and EDG as if it's not an immense shift in the roster of the event even if it were 'literally' the only difference is hilarious.
MSI is also happening at a healthier time for teams when it comes to competitive form. They have a full season of work and playoffs completed, midseason standings are clearly not always accurate.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
my theory is that teams that rely on individual skill and improvisational playmaking are usually better at international competition than teams that just go by what works within the regional metagame.
the problematic data point for this theory is the 2013 version of ozone lol.
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On May 03 2015 07:11 oneofthem wrote:
my theory is that teams that rely on individual skill and improvisational playmaking are usually better at international competition than teams that just go by what works within the regional metagame.
the problematic data point for this theory is the 2013 version of ozone lol.
Not problematic, dade was still in a recovery period after being Faker'd. We have seen now that it's entirely possible to recover but it takes time, time he did not have.
Edit: I might be thinking of Ryu actually, in which case your datapoint is still problematic, sorry.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 03 2015 07:11 oneofthem wrote:
my theory is that teams that rely on individual skill and improvisational playmaking are usually better at international competition than teams that just go by what works within the regional metagame.
the problematic data point for this theory is the 2013 version of ozone lol.
2013 dade's low is probably lowest ever for any hall of fame worthy player, so 2013 Ozone at Worlds is just unlucky thing.
But it's basically same as in Starcraft.
If you're better all-around on-the-fly player and you're in fine conditions, you will succeed overseas but might get out-prepared in domestic Korean leagues.
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