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Limpinggoat, I banbet 200 years that tsm end fourth place. U bet with me 200 years?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 03 2015 07:20 skykh wrote:
Limpinggoat, I banbet 200 years that tsm end fourth place. U bet with me 200 years?
Third-fourth, gotta clarify, because we don't have 3rd place match and TSM is likely to finish groupstage in top-3.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
well dade's problem was that he was a fish out of water without his very limited champ pool at that tourney, but the rest of the team stunk it up as well.
so yea dade wasn't very skilled without zed etc and the rest of the team went full retard.
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On May 03 2015 07:20 skykh wrote:
Limpinggoat, I banbet 200 years that tsm end fourth place. U bet with me 200 years?
I mean, what do you mean by fourth place. You're saying they will get 4th in groups and lose in semis? I'll take that bet.
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On May 03 2015 06:31 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 06:30 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 06:27 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:24 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. Yeah except Korea isn't without a doubt top 2 lol. please don't tell me you think NA is lol On May 03 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 06:17 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:14 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. I don't know, I thought it was pretty obvious that Zer0das was making a parody. i assumed so at first but since you were comparing korea this year to korea last year i was also assuming you weren't taking it as a parody. Parody's can be, and often are, topical. ? don't get your point. Well we all assume that the region with the best team is the best region, and the region with the second best team is the second best region, so going off of that then yes I think TSM is top 2 in the World. I mean I actually think they are the best in the World but if we're just talking top two then... yes. no, we don't all assume that the region with the best team is the best region. even if I thought TSM was the best team in the world, I still wouldn't think NA is the best region.
Well if not then it's pointless because we only see the top 3 teams from each region compete so there's no way of knowing which region is the "best".
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top 3 of NA capable to beat top 3 of KR imo.
C9 going to be powerhouse once they sign incarnati0n/good mid player.
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Well at Worlds all 3 korean teams placed 1st in their group, all Chinese teams made it out of groups, and 2/3 NA teams made it out of groups. I think it's pretty easy to tell.
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On May 03 2015 08:59 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:32 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 06:31 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:30 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 06:27 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:24 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. Yeah except Korea isn't without a doubt top 2 lol. please don't tell me you think NA is lol On May 03 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 06:17 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 06:14 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:59 krndandaman wrote:On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:
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Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014.
Korea isn't "Korea." that's true, but to say the level of competition isn't high is silly when korea as a region is still without a doubt top 2 with an argument for still being the strongest (very debatable though). if top 2 isn't high what the fuck is? you can say it isn't as high as last year so you don't think they are invincible, but to say 'the level of their competition isn't high' so they will get exposed as your logic is just dumb. I don't know, I thought it was pretty obvious that Zer0das was making a parody. i assumed so at first but since you were comparing korea this year to korea last year i was also assuming you weren't taking it as a parody. Parody's can be, and often are, topical. ? don't get your point. Well we all assume that the region with the best team is the best region, and the region with the second best team is the second best region, so going off of that then yes I think TSM is top 2 in the World. I mean I actually think they are the best in the World but if we're just talking top two then... yes. no, we don't all assume that the region with the best team is the best region. even if I thought TSM was the best team in the world, I still wouldn't think NA is the best region. Well if not then it's pointless because we only see the top 3 teams from each region compete so there's no way of knowing which region is the "best". of course there's no concrete 'evidence' just like no one can disprove that the dump I took in the toilet isn't art, but you're kidding yourself if you honestly think c9> ge, tl > cj, etc. here I'll list them out for you and feel free to point out where you disagree TSM ? SKT C9 < GE TL < CJ TIP < Jin Air CLG/GV < KT/Najin T8 < IM Wfx, Cst, Dig < Samsung
Well for one I think the C9 < GE is pretty questionable but these are all assumptions, we honestly have nothing to go off of when it comes to these matchups, so it's pretty damn pointless to start making assumptions.
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On May 03 2015 06:48 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 05:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 03 2015 05:38 Ansibled wrote:On May 03 2015 05:34 zer0das wrote:
I expect SKT to get exposed. It's easy to say that certain players look good in the competitive region they play, but it means nothing when the level of their competition isn't high. It's not high compared to what? No region is as competitive as Korea last year, but how competitive the regions are now isn't really that clear. Let's be real, Korea isn't anywhere near as good as it was last year. CJ Frost with Ambition role swapping into jungle finished 3rd. Najin Sword + Smeb/Gorilla finished 2nd. SKTS + Tom finished 1st. For reference, none of these base teams finished higher than 4th(SKTS) in Summer 2014. Korea isn't "Korea." You can't judge like that. It's not like Korea was ever at level when " Look, our 10 teams can beat whoever they face on international arena" Yes, SKT T1 #2 K and Samsung White were best on planet and untouchable, but other but Samsung Blue in 2014? Hell no. People just always thought that Korea is untouchable because Chinese teams never got lucky with international events outside of iG beating CJ Frost with Maknoon mid in finals of IEM Singapore. Since IPL 5, Chinese teams went to IEM WC twice, once they got patchzerged to Morgana despite iG trashing Fnatic once, second time World Elite almost won tournament being dead 12th in LPL. And what was happening at Worlds? Right, Chinese teams were either getting drawn to play each other, so Uzi could become biggest fraud ever and getting to two finals by not playing a single Korean team before it or OMG were drawn to beat NJWS and then suffer classic OMG chokedeath. SKT T1 is still stronger than anyone but EDG in the world, period.
KT Rolster Bullets won IEM WC 2014. A month later they finished 5th-8th in Champions Spring.
On May 03 2015 08:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Well at Worlds all 3 korean teams placed 1st in their group, all Chinese teams made it out of groups, and 2/3 NA teams made it out of groups. I think it's pretty easy to tell.
And now only 4/15 of those Koreans are still in Korea.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
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Honestly, GE is the biggest mystery right now. They seem capable of losing to any team because Lee is so easily abusable. But I also don't think there are any western junglers who can do that right now. Plus the Gorilla/Pray botlane does still dumpster people who can't keep up. So yes, mystery.
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Wanted to Cross post a part of my post about SKT, put it up for discussion
Either SKT or EDG win MSI. That much is for sure. SKT has proven they have incredible players and great teamwork, even great comebacks. Where EDG has proven to have unrivaled team fight capability. EDG's main flaw is that they almost always lose laning phase and come back through good teamfights. SKT's flaw being that sometimes they over commit on certain fights, making them lose some of their lead often. TSM probably won't do well, as Bjergsen isn't going to be able to go carry-mode when he faces the best mid laners in the world (he can't easily beat Pawn, Faker, Westdoor, or Febiven, but probably Energy). And Lustboy won't be able to make great plays when other teams are more attentive to the champs he plays, even if he is good on them (The kennen support pick destroyed NA, whereas its a common thing in Korea and LPL). Wildturtle usually depends on that late game carry, and the great teamfighting from these top teams prevent him from doing that. Santorin will do good I believe, just not good enough to carry. Dyrus will feed, and looking at this tourney its scary for him. Almost every top laner going is a carry-style top laner, Huni, Marin, and Koro1 being the ones to name. They look to destroy lane, and Dyrus hasn't done too well in laning in the past. Fnatic may do well, but I doubt it. In whole the team has been shown to fail when needed, and not close out games when they can. And Beskitas will get destroyed, no questions about it. Their play worked for IWCI, but it was the same level as challenger series tbh.
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I think EDG wins pretty easy, their TF is too strong. SKT needs to hard camp mid just like LGD did, but I'm not convinced their sidelanes can match-up against EDG's, and once the game gets to TFs against EDG you need to have a massive advantage or you'll just lose. Definitely can't win with Easyhoon+Tom. All the top 3 team at the tourney are very similar, with a heavy focus on teamfighting and mid-lane pressure, TSM is just the weakest in-terms of individual player skill and teamfighting though, so they'll need to pull out a P/B or laneswap win to contest. Not completely unreasonable, as TSM's laneswap play is probably the best at this tourney from what we've seen, and they could potentially get an advantage in P/B as EDG's P/B in the finals was shoddy and kkoma's P/B hasn't looked great as of late, though it was fine in the finals. I could see Lubo+Santorin preying on Tom's over agression pretty hard, but with Bengi the matchup tilts heavily in SKT's favour. It would pretty much take Loco and Lustboy pulling a rabbit out of a hat for them to beat EDG, as EDG's better teamfighting would just roll them in the mid-late without a pretty damn big lead. I think we can pretty much write off all the other teams. I'd put the tourney at 49 EDG/35 SKT/15 TSM/1 Everyone else.
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On May 03 2015 13:56 Buonomo wrote:
I think EDG wins pretty easy, their TF is too strong. SKT needs to hard camp mid just like LGD did, but I'm not convinced their sidelanes can match-up against EDG's, and once the game gets to TFs against EDG you need to have a massive advantage or you'll just lose. Definitely can't win with Easyhoon+Tom. All the top 3 team at the tourney are very similar, with a heavy focus on teamfighting and mid-lane pressure, TSM is just the weakest in-terms of individual player skill and teamfighting though, so they'll need to pull out a P/B or laneswap win to contest. Not completely unreasonable, as TSM's laneswap play is probably the best at this tourney from what we've seen, and they could potentially get an advantage in P/B as EDG's P/B in the finals was shoddy and kkoma's P/B hasn't looked great as of late, though it was fine in the finals. I could see Lubo+Santorin preying on Tom's over agression pretty hard, but with Bengi the matchup tilts heavily in SKT's favour. It would pretty much take Loco and Lustboy pulling a rabbit out of a hat for them to beat EDG, as EDG's better teamfighting would just roll them in the mid-late without a pretty damn big lead. I think we can pretty much write off all the other teams. I'd put the tourney at 49 EDG/35 SKT/15 TSM/1 Everyone else.
TSM has disgusting teamfighting.
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On May 03 2015 14:01 LimpingGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 13:56 Buonomo wrote:
I think EDG wins pretty easy, their TF is too strong. SKT needs to hard camp mid just like LGD did, but I'm not convinced their sidelanes can match-up against EDG's, and once the game gets to TFs against EDG you need to have a massive advantage or you'll just lose. Definitely can't win with Easyhoon+Tom. All the top 3 team at the tourney are very similar, with a heavy focus on teamfighting and mid-lane pressure, TSM is just the weakest in-terms of individual player skill and teamfighting though, so they'll need to pull out a P/B or laneswap win to contest. Not completely unreasonable, as TSM's laneswap play is probably the best at this tourney from what we've seen, and they could potentially get an advantage in P/B as EDG's P/B in the finals was shoddy and kkoma's P/B hasn't looked great as of late, though it was fine in the finals. I could see Lubo+Santorin preying on Tom's over agression pretty hard, but with Bengi the matchup tilts heavily in SKT's favour. It would pretty much take Loco and Lustboy pulling a rabbit out of a hat for them to beat EDG, as EDG's better teamfighting would just roll them in the mid-late without a pretty damn big lead. I think we can pretty much write off all the other teams. I'd put the tourney at 49 EDG/35 SKT/15 TSM/1 Everyone else. TSM has disgusting teamfighting.
And EDG and SKT have better teamfighting
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I'm too tired to be reasonable.
TSM TSM TSM!
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On May 02 2015 06:51 Maluk wrote:
You guys underestimate Montecristo. If Korea loses MSI he'll just say it was a fluke. If they lose worlds he'll say it's a fluke too. If they proceed to lose worlds next year as well, he'll say it's a fluke. Montecristo has made it past the point where he can even deal with the fact that Korea isn't the strongest region. That thought cannot even cross his mind and no matter the amount of "evidence" showed to him he'll find a way to maintain his position.
And that is where the actual fun begins. I will be very entertained when Montecristo will have to explain why Korea lost at MSI while maintaining that they are without a doubt the strongest region, head and shoulders above everyone else.
wouldn't he just say it was a fluke, too?
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On May 03 2015 14:37 Faker_Fanboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2015 06:51 Maluk wrote:
You guys underestimate Montecristo. If Korea loses MSI he'll just say it was a fluke. If they lose worlds he'll say it's a fluke too. If they proceed to lose worlds next year as well, he'll say it's a fluke. Montecristo has made it past the point where he can even deal with the fact that Korea isn't the strongest region. That thought cannot even cross his mind and no matter the amount of "evidence" showed to him he'll find a way to maintain his position.
And that is where the actual fun begins. I will be very entertained when Montecristo will have to explain why Korea lost at MSI while maintaining that they are without a doubt the strongest region, head and shoulders above everyone else. wouldn't he just say it was a fluke, too?
Would he even be wrong assuming it was anyone of the current "top" teams winning, aside from OMG?
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EPT
