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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 03 2015 12:53 GMT
#181
On May 03 2015 21:45 Maluk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 20:44 Letmelose wrote:
(yes Montecristo is one of them, but there are many more, some of whom are more well connected and more knowledgeable)

Not even sure if Monte can be considered an "insider". As far as I know he doesn't speak a word of Korean, so I don't see where he could get information from, aside from Chobro. I'm pretty sure that anyone who just watches every OGN match knows about as much as Monte about Korean LoL players.

he talks to coaches and players
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 12:55:01
May 03 2015 12:54 GMT
#182
On May 03 2015 21:50 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 21:45 Maluk wrote:
On May 03 2015 20:44 Letmelose wrote:
(yes Montecristo is one of them, but there are many more, some of whom are more well connected and more knowledgeable)

Not even sure if Monte can be considered an "insider". As far as I know he doesn't speak a word of Korean, so I don't see where he could get information from, aside from Chobro. I'm pretty sure that anyone who just watches every OGN match knows about as much as Monte about Korean LoL players.

He speaks korean.I mean he has lived for a few years there at this point you are bound to pick up the basics no matter what.

He does mention all the time on casts that he talked to players and shit.

They always have a translator for him when he's on Korean shows / being interviewed. Which means that he doesn't speak well enough to talk about LoL strategy in Korean I would assume. I don't think that he can have a conversation with players about LoL.
On May 03 2015 21:53 oneofthem wrote:

he talks to coaches and players

Probably some very basic stuff I would guess.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
May 03 2015 13:00 GMT
#183
On May 03 2015 21:42 oneofthem wrote:
eazyhoon did get shat on by pawn.

they had easier opponents as gahlo said. he's obviously very strong in a certain meta but his lack of aggression really limited how that team could play.


Eazyhoon shat on PawN just as many times as PaWn shat on him (if not more so just in terms of laning), with a far inferior supporting crew. In fact, any "victories" PawN had over Eazyhoon was often due to the immensely superior jungling of DanDy than anything else. Domestically speaking, Eazyhoon performance was comparable to that of PawN's, yes he never got the chance to style on the likes of Bjergsen with DanDy and MaTa getting all the necessary vision to wow those oh-so-important TSM fans, but he was already a top-calibre mid-laner.



Eazyhoon is a specific type of player that needs certain conditions to thrive, just like Dade. Yes, he is a not an all encompassing master of all trades like Faker is (who apart from Faker can claim that, is really my question), but on there is no one an this planet that does the things he is good at better than him. It's been that way for quite some time.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
May 03 2015 13:09 GMT
#184
On May 03 2015 21:53 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 21:45 Maluk wrote:
On May 03 2015 20:44 Letmelose wrote:
(yes Montecristo is one of them, but there are many more, some of whom are more well connected and more knowledgeable)

Not even sure if Monte can be considered an "insider". As far as I know he doesn't speak a word of Korean, so I don't see where he could get information from, aside from Chobro. I'm pretty sure that anyone who just watches every OGN match knows about as much as Monte about Korean LoL players.

he talks to coaches and players


Take Kim Dong Jun for example. He talks to players constantly to check out the next up-and-coming player, or a player that is on a hot streak during scrims. He personally requests to observe scrims between Korean teams, and has a far more extensive idea of what goes behind the scenes than Montecristo will ever learn, and on top of that checks out the solo-que just to keep in touch with the personal biorhythms of notable players. This is just basic preparation, he even mentions stuff like NiceGameTV shows, which basically means he gets every single possible angle of a player he is about to assess down to the ground, whether it is what the coaches say about him, what he is like during the scrims, what the top players in solo-que think about his laning stylistic-wise, and the thoughts of various professional gamers.

Montecristo may have a grander scope of knowledge, especially when it comes to the other major regions, but when it comes to Korea alone, he doesn't even compare to Kim Dong Jun. Which is why he often misses out on the general consensus in Korea (which may be not always true, but guess what, it's more accurate than Montecristo), like when he tried to hype up the terrible bottom lane of KT Rolster A when Bang was shitting all over him during the laning phase, and dismiss SK Telecom S and Eazyhoon altogether, or pretend Looper was a mediocre player when a player like Gogoing (or whoever the fuck he rated above him) would have ruined what made Samsung Galaxy White so strong.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 03 2015 13:17 GMT
#185
^ i'm not discounting eazyhoon's laning fundamentals, but in terms of game impact he's fairly predictable and limited outside of teamfighting.

it is true that eazyhoon never really loses lane but part of this is due to his conservative playstyle. but this also allows the other team to dictate the play. from their 0:3 vs ssw it was pretty clear that they stood no chance of advancing had they met ssw earlier in the bracket. pawn did not crush eazyhoon in lane but he was far more impactful in terms of making plays around the map.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
May 03 2015 15:58 GMT
#186
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 03 2015 16:07 GMT
#187
I'm pretty sure the most common prediction will end up with SKT playing Fnatic and EDG playing TSM in the bracket stage.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 16:16:11
May 03 2015 16:12 GMT
#188
I think:

1. EDG
2. TSM/SKT T1
3. SKT T1/TSM
4. fnatic

EDG vs fnatic
TSM vs SKT

We are likely to have TSM vs SKT unless EDG chokes in group stages.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Buonomo
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada84 Posts
May 03 2015 16:16 GMT
#189
On May 04 2015 01:12 Mensol wrote:
I think:

1. EDG
2. TSM
3. SKT
4. fnatic

EDG vs fnatic
TSM vs SKT

We are likely to have TSM vs SKT unless EDG chokes in group stages.


>implying that my boy westdoor won't expose febiven in the battle to see which is the best irrelevant region
kebab removes you
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
May 03 2015 16:18 GMT
#190
On May 04 2015 00:58 LimpingGoat wrote:
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?


3-month banbet:

TSM will lose to either SKT or EDG should they meet in a BO5.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 16:20:32
May 03 2015 16:19 GMT
#191
On May 03 2015 19:20 739 wrote:
Anyone want team flair / signature bet for EDG vs SKT in bracket stage? Must be someone brave enough believing that EDG will beat SKT ^_^


I'll take it. As long as Pawn practiced with the team appropriately EDG is unbeatable.
Buonomo
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada84 Posts
May 03 2015 16:35 GMT
#192
On May 04 2015 01:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 00:58 LimpingGoat wrote:
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?


3-month banbet:

TSM will lose to either SKT or EDG should they meet in a BO5.



You would need to take some pretty bad odds on this one for it to be remotely reasonable
kebab removes you
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
May 03 2015 16:51 GMT
#193
On May 04 2015 01:35 Buonomo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On May 04 2015 00:58 LimpingGoat wrote:
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?


3-month banbet:

TSM will lose to either SKT or EDG should they meet in a BO5.



You would need to take some pretty bad odds on this one for it to be remotely reasonable


I'm pretty sure Mr. Limpinggoat will be happily take this bet with equal odds given his ridiculous confidence in TSM.
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
May 03 2015 16:56 GMT
#194
On May 04 2015 01:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 00:58 LimpingGoat wrote:
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?


3-month banbet:

TSM will lose to either SKT or EDG should they meet in a BO5.


lol no, people overestimate my confidence in TSM. The bet is that if TSM and SKT meet in a bo5, TSM will win. I'm not banbetting on TSM beating EDG.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
May 03 2015 16:59 GMT
#195
On May 04 2015 01:56 LimpingGoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On May 04 2015 00:58 LimpingGoat wrote:
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?


3-month banbet:

TSM will lose to either SKT or EDG should they meet in a BO5.


lol no, people overestimate my confidence in TSM. The bet is that if TSM and SKT meet in a bo5, TSM will win. I'm not banbetting on TSM beating EDG.


Okay I can take this one as well. 3-month?
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
May 03 2015 16:59 GMT
#196
On May 04 2015 01:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:56 LimpingGoat wrote:
On May 04 2015 01:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On May 04 2015 00:58 LimpingGoat wrote:
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?


3-month banbet:

TSM will lose to either SKT or EDG should they meet in a BO5.


lol no, people overestimate my confidence in TSM. The bet is that if TSM and SKT meet in a bo5, TSM will win. I'm not banbetting on TSM beating EDG.


Okay I can take this one as well. 3-month?


Sure
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
May 03 2015 17:01 GMT
#197
Now I can pray SKT and TSM meets. 3 months free of LimpingGoat, this forum should all thank me.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
May 03 2015 17:02 GMT
#198
On May 04 2015 01:59 LimpingGoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On May 04 2015 01:56 LimpingGoat wrote:
On May 04 2015 01:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On May 04 2015 00:58 LimpingGoat wrote:
If SKT and TSM play in a bo5 ill banbet that TSM wins. Any takers?


3-month banbet:

TSM will lose to either SKT or EDG should they meet in a BO5.


lol no, people overestimate my confidence in TSM. The bet is that if TSM and SKT meet in a bo5, TSM will win. I'm not banbetting on TSM beating EDG.


Okay I can take this one as well. 3-month?


Sure

Ok folks, we got it set.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 03 2015 17:07 GMT
#199
On May 04 2015 01:16 Buonomo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:12 Mensol wrote:
I think:

1. EDG
2. TSM
3. SKT
4. fnatic

EDG vs fnatic
TSM vs SKT

We are likely to have TSM vs SKT unless EDG chokes in group stages.


>implying that my boy westdoor won't expose febiven in the battle to see which is the best irrelevant region

Potential LCS superstar westdoor is about to expose everyone for the trash they are
Glorious SEA doto
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
May 03 2015 17:10 GMT
#200
On May 04 2015 02:01 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Now I can pray SKT and TSM meets. 3 months free of LimpingGoat, this forum should all thank me.


Do people really not understand that SKT isn't very good? I'm not even sure that they're better than Fnatic.
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