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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 14 2015 21:45 GMT
#3501
On March 15 2015 06:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:42 AlterKot wrote:
I watch like 40% games every week and I'm definitely not gonna start watching more lol, just wondering if I watch the right ones.


That's why you gotta like LMS, lol.
They have youtube stream, so if you don't wanna watch everything, you can just jump around after tuning in during last match.

Allow me to give you a guide to watching LMS for those interested after moe flash wolves recently:

Just watch Yoe, TPA and AHQ. Down a gallon of LSD if you want to watch snipers and fuck the bottom four unless you want to tear your eyes out.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 14 2015 21:45 GMT
#3502
On March 15 2015 06:41 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:38 AlterKot wrote:
So what's actually worth watching in China? LPL seems like it's too many games that matter too little to assume that teams take it seriously, are the small tournaments better?


don't listen to the haters, never miss out on SNake

This man knows what's up.
liftlift > tsm
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
March 14 2015 21:45 GMT
#3503
On March 15 2015 06:37 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:35 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:33 las91 wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:31 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:12 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:11 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:08 Redox wrote:
[quote]
Right. And if TSM beats WE then NA>China>Korea?

Actaully NA is already better than Korea since both Korean teams didnt reach finals while an NA team did.


No. Because WE is still the worst LPL team so far and TSM is the best NA team. TSM wins doesn't prove anything.


WE was the worst LPL team with Ninja and Styz. The new WE is a different team, and has replaced its previously lackluster carries.

lol, no. WE is still trash.


Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.


the ad hominems were real LOL

LCK will be back eventually but they need to fix all the holes left in their infrastructure, they'll be fine

Years of reading GGnet Dota built me up against Azarkon. I'm not saying he doesn't make sense today...just some bad experience.

Is it hard to start a new org in Korea? Why is it just mostly big chaebols behind those gaming teams?

Smaller teams have just failed tbh, kespa teams tend to snatch up any talent that sticks out (RIP Xenics talent agency) while other attempts like anarchy and quvic (Firebathero's squad) just flat out collapse. Hard to catch up to what kespa can bring to the table.


GE Tigers, as far as I know, is sponsored by a Chinese organization. Has that changed?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 21:46:13
March 14 2015 21:45 GMT
#3504
I prefer Snake, King and iG, but my priorities are kinda wack

I like risky teams because I like stomps
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 14 2015 21:46 GMT
#3505
On March 15 2015 06:45 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:37 Fusilero wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:35 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:33 las91 wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:31 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:12 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:11 chosenkerrigan wrote:
[quote]

No. Because WE is still the worst LPL team so far and TSM is the best NA team. TSM wins doesn't prove anything.


WE was the worst LPL team with Ninja and Styz. The new WE is a different team, and has replaced its previously lackluster carries.

lol, no. WE is still trash.


Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.


the ad hominems were real LOL

LCK will be back eventually but they need to fix all the holes left in their infrastructure, they'll be fine

Years of reading GGnet Dota built me up against Azarkon. I'm not saying he doesn't make sense today...just some bad experience.

Is it hard to start a new org in Korea? Why is it just mostly big chaebols behind those gaming teams?

Smaller teams have just failed tbh, kespa teams tend to snatch up any talent that sticks out (RIP Xenics talent agency) while other attempts like anarchy and quvic (Firebathero's squad) just flat out collapse. Hard to catch up to what kespa can bring to the table.


GE Tigers, as far as I know, is sponsored by a Chinese organization. Has that changed?

Yeah they're backed by streaming site Huya, idk why they changed their tag to GE but there you go. GE is probably an exception it's weird their coaching staff is literally nofe and it works k for them in KR.
Glorious SEA doto
crimethinking
Profile Joined February 2015
Vietnam765 Posts
March 14 2015 21:46 GMT
#3506
I prefer LGD and VG because I came from Doto.
ktrolster | OMG | worldelite
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 14 2015 21:47 GMT
#3507
On March 15 2015 06:45 Slusher wrote:
I prefer Snake, King and iG, but my priorities are kinda wack

I like risky teams because I like stomps

Snake, edg.

Vg is fun to watch every once in a while to see how golf players play.
liftlift > tsm
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 21:49:21
March 14 2015 21:48 GMT
#3508
On March 15 2015 06:45 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:42 AlterKot wrote:
I watch like 40% games every week and I'm definitely not gonna start watching more lol, just wondering if I watch the right ones.


That's why you gotta like LMS, lol.
They have youtube stream, so if you don't wanna watch everything, you can just jump around after tuning in during last match.

Allow me to give you a guide to watching LMS for those interested after moe flash wolves recently:

Just watch Yoe, TPA and AHQ. Down a gallon of LSD if you want to watch snipers and fuck the bottom four unless you want to tear your eyes out.


I better watch HKES at this point than ahQ's Cho'Gath struggling, rofl.

From China, idk, everyone has their own preferences. LGD <3 Golf courses are fun as well, NaMei and strugglers are cute. Fuck favourites.

Even if 99% of people are into Snake's protecting adc instead of having toplane carry ;_;

On March 15 2015 06:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
G/G1 League is dead, Yango? Or do they have League still.

G-1's been dead for ages and didn't run League when it was alive. G-League happened end of 2014 (King placing 2nd fed into the King hype pre-LPL where everyone thought they were gonna be the new breakout team), they're not set for another season for a while.


Lol, I even forgot that EDG 3-0'ing King was G-League.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 14 2015 21:48 GMT
#3509
On March 15 2015 06:46 Fusilero wrote:
Yeah they're backed by streaming site Huya, idk why they changed their tag to GE but there you go. GE is probably an exception it's weird their coaching staff is literally nofe and it works k for them in KR.

GE is the name of the Korean subsidiary company, Huya is the name of the streaming site they run/promote.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 14 2015 21:49 GMT
#3510
Team's I'd recommend watching are LGD and Snake mainly. OMG is kind of painful to watch since they're so narrowly based around Cool styling on shitters and EDG don't care. They're so ahead of everyone and have so many games won they're picking nid mid, riven mid and playing fireloli over clearlove so if you want to see dumb things happen for idiotic reasons before deft and koro bail everyone go watch EDG, same with iG for rookie.

I'd also recommend gamtee on the grounds that angelbeats will one day surpass cool mark my words.
Glorious SEA doto
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
March 14 2015 21:49 GMT
#3511
On March 15 2015 06:46 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:45 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:37 Fusilero wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:35 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:33 las91 wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:31 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:12 Azarkon wrote:
[quote]

WE was the worst LPL team with Ninja and Styz. The new WE is a different team, and has replaced its previously lackluster carries.

lol, no. WE is still trash.


Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.


the ad hominems were real LOL

LCK will be back eventually but they need to fix all the holes left in their infrastructure, they'll be fine

Years of reading GGnet Dota built me up against Azarkon. I'm not saying he doesn't make sense today...just some bad experience.

Is it hard to start a new org in Korea? Why is it just mostly big chaebols behind those gaming teams?

Smaller teams have just failed tbh, kespa teams tend to snatch up any talent that sticks out (RIP Xenics talent agency) while other attempts like anarchy and quvic (Firebathero's squad) just flat out collapse. Hard to catch up to what kespa can bring to the table.


GE Tigers, as far as I know, is sponsored by a Chinese organization. Has that changed?

Yeah they're backed by streaming site Huya, idk why they changed their tag to GE but there you go. GE is probably an exception it's weird their coaching staff is literally nofe and it works k for them in KR.

'
MAYBE YOU'D KNOW IF YOU READ THE ARTICLES WE WROTE

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/479031-ges-game
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 14 2015 21:50 GMT
#3512
On March 15 2015 06:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:42 AlterKot wrote:
I watch like 40% games every week and I'm definitely not gonna start watching more lol, just wondering if I watch the right ones.


That's why you gotta like LMS, lol.
They have youtube stream, so if you don't wanna watch everything, you can just jump around after tuning in during last match.

Or just go to /r/LoLeventVoDs.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 14 2015 21:50 GMT
#3513
On March 15 2015 06:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:46 Fusilero wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:45 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:37 Fusilero wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:35 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:33 las91 wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:31 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
[quote]
lol, no. WE is still trash.


Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.


the ad hominems were real LOL

LCK will be back eventually but they need to fix all the holes left in their infrastructure, they'll be fine

Years of reading GGnet Dota built me up against Azarkon. I'm not saying he doesn't make sense today...just some bad experience.

Is it hard to start a new org in Korea? Why is it just mostly big chaebols behind those gaming teams?

Smaller teams have just failed tbh, kespa teams tend to snatch up any talent that sticks out (RIP Xenics talent agency) while other attempts like anarchy and quvic (Firebathero's squad) just flat out collapse. Hard to catch up to what kespa can bring to the table.


GE Tigers, as far as I know, is sponsored by a Chinese organization. Has that changed?

Yeah they're backed by streaming site Huya, idk why they changed their tag to GE but there you go. GE is probably an exception it's weird their coaching staff is literally nofe and it works k for them in KR.

'
MAYBE YOU'D KNOW IF YOU READ THE ARTICLES WE WROTE

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/479031-ges-game

MY TITLE IS WRITER NOT READER FK U
Glorious SEA doto
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
March 14 2015 21:51 GMT
#3514
On March 15 2015 06:45 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:42 AlterKot wrote:
I watch like 40% games every week and I'm definitely not gonna start watching more lol, just wondering if I watch the right ones.


That's why you gotta like LMS, lol.
They have youtube stream, so if you don't wanna watch everything, you can just jump around after tuning in during last match.


he is asking for team reccomendations, I Thought that was obvious

Actually no. So basically I heard that China has lots of small tournaments and that regular split performance rarely translates to playoffs and simply put there's too many LPL games for me to watch other than 3-4 fav times. So I was wondering if perhaps I should stop watching LPL and keep enjoying my shitty EU+GET/JinAir and only tune in for tournaments.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 14 2015 21:51 GMT
#3515
On March 15 2015 06:50 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:46 Fusilero wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:45 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:37 Fusilero wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:35 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:33 las91 wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:31 crimethinking wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
[quote]

Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.


the ad hominems were real LOL

LCK will be back eventually but they need to fix all the holes left in their infrastructure, they'll be fine

Years of reading GGnet Dota built me up against Azarkon. I'm not saying he doesn't make sense today...just some bad experience.

Is it hard to start a new org in Korea? Why is it just mostly big chaebols behind those gaming teams?

Smaller teams have just failed tbh, kespa teams tend to snatch up any talent that sticks out (RIP Xenics talent agency) while other attempts like anarchy and quvic (Firebathero's squad) just flat out collapse. Hard to catch up to what kespa can bring to the table.


GE Tigers, as far as I know, is sponsored by a Chinese organization. Has that changed?

Yeah they're backed by streaming site Huya, idk why they changed their tag to GE but there you go. GE is probably an exception it's weird their coaching staff is literally nofe and it works k for them in KR.

'
MAYBE YOU'D KNOW IF YOU READ THE ARTICLES WE WROTE

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/479031-ges-game

MY TITLE IS WRITER NOT READER FK U

l0l <3
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 14 2015 21:52 GMT
#3516
On March 15 2015 06:48 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Lol, I even forgot that EDG 3-0'ing King was G-League.

Cuz all the offseason sandbagging tournaments are really indistinguishable from one another lol.
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 21:53:47
March 14 2015 21:52 GMT
#3517
On March 15 2015 06:48 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:46 Fusilero wrote:
Yeah they're backed by streaming site Huya, idk why they changed their tag to GE but there you go. GE is probably an exception it's weird their coaching staff is literally nofe and it works k for them in KR.

GE is the name of the Korean subsidiary company, Huya is the name of the streaming site they run/promote.

youtube ge entertainment and see for yourself

On March 15 2015 06:43 crimethinking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:41 Chexx wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:39 TheYango wrote:
I mean, again, I hardly think the "one team per orga" rule is the decider, because if organizations really wanted second teams, they would have just followed the already-working Chinese loophole of making phony organizations to "sponsor" their 2nd teams.

dont even need phony organizations. Just use Samsung eletrics and Samsung insurance or whatever

I'm not sure about branding issues.

Comparing between Samsung Chemicals Galaxy White vs. Samsung Mobile Galaxy Yellow and Samsung Galaxy vs. a new organization called SNUSMAS eSports, I'll just take the safe way.


are two different companies with different owner.
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MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 21:53:37
March 14 2015 21:53 GMT
#3518
On March 15 2015 06:51 AlterKot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:45 Slusher wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:42 AlterKot wrote:
I watch like 40% games every week and I'm definitely not gonna start watching more lol, just wondering if I watch the right ones.


That's why you gotta like LMS, lol.
They have youtube stream, so if you don't wanna watch everything, you can just jump around after tuning in during last match.


he is asking for team reccomendations, I Thought that was obvious

Actually no. So basically I heard that China has lots of small tournaments and that regular split performance rarely translates to playoffs and simply put there's too many LPL games for me to watch other than 3-4 fav times. So I was wondering if perhaps I should stop watching LPL and keep enjoying my shitty EU+GET/JinAir and only tune in for tournaments.


Well obviously the first thing you need to do is start watching TSM

>>runs away<<
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 14 2015 21:53 GMT
#3519
On March 15 2015 06:51 AlterKot wrote:
Actually no. So basically I heard that China has lots of small tournaments and that regular split performance rarely translates to playoffs and simply put there's too many LPL games for me to watch other than 3-4 fav times. So I was wondering if perhaps I should stop watching LPL and keep enjoying my shitty EU+GET/JinAir and only tune in for tournaments.

If you want games representative of the teams' actual skill, you don't watch the small offseason tournaments because all the major teams sandbag super hard in those, lol.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 14 2015 21:53 GMT
#3520
On March 15 2015 06:51 AlterKot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:45 Slusher wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:42 AlterKot wrote:
I watch like 40% games every week and I'm definitely not gonna start watching more lol, just wondering if I watch the right ones.


That's why you gotta like LMS, lol.
They have youtube stream, so if you don't wanna watch everything, you can just jump around after tuning in during last match.


he is asking for team reccomendations, I Thought that was obvious

Actually no. So basically I heard that China has lots of small tournaments and that regular split performance rarely translates to playoffs and simply put there's too many LPL games for me to watch other than 3-4 fav times. So I was wondering if perhaps I should stop watching LPL and keep enjoying my shitty EU+GET/JinAir and only tune in for tournaments.

Yeah regular season games aren't that meaningful because there's so many of them. Third party tournaments are funny but hardly anything substantial (RIP King's hype train)

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