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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 14 2015 21:27 GMT
#3461
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2z22sm/inven_reacts_to_we_vs_ge/
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 14 2015 21:27 GMT
#3462
--- Nuked ---
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 14 2015 21:28 GMT
#3463
Spirit is on top of the world right now.

best decision of his life
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 21:32:36
March 14 2015 21:28 GMT
#3464
On March 15 2015 06:26 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:24 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2z21rt/spoilers_inven_reactions_to_get_vs_we/

"Yasuo is science"

I liked this one.

[image loading]
liftlift > tsm
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
March 14 2015 21:29 GMT
#3465
On March 15 2015 06:27 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2z22sm/inven_reacts_to_we_vs_ge/


I guess they got salted out after CJ.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 14 2015 21:29 GMT
#3466
LPL clearly needs to get that RiotGames priority in streaming now, no more of this RiotGames2 red-headed stepchild treatment.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
March 14 2015 21:29 GMT
#3467
At least CJ get a break now because all the netizens will flame GET instead, all part of the plan : - )
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
March 14 2015 21:29 GMT
#3468
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:12 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:11 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:08 Redox wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:03 Slusher wrote:
I've had a feeling for a while now that CN might be the stronger region I mean when your best players are mostly players who frankly weren't that great before the exodus that just seems to say the strength of the region has dropped.

that said I never would have predicted it to the tune of worst place > first place.

I think more than anything this win speaks to how truly chuuper like Ninja was

Right. And if TSM beats WE then NA>China>Korea?

Actaully NA is already better than Korea since both Korean teams didnt reach finals while an NA team did.


No. Because WE is still the worst LPL team so far and TSM is the best NA team. TSM wins doesn't prove anything.


WE was the worst LPL team with Ninja and Styz. The new WE is a different team, and has replaced its previously lackluster carries.

lol, no. WE is still trash.


Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 21:31:54
March 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#3469
On March 15 2015 06:20 crimethinking wrote:
Azarkon making sense here.

This fucking world doesn't make any sense anymore. I give up.


It's not that hard to make sense of. After S4, Korea lost the bulk of its tier 1 players to the exodus. On top of that, and invisible to the casual viewer, they've also lost a large chunk of their up and coming players - go check out the teams in LSPL, and you'll see that the top LSPL teams virtually all have "new Korean talent" that you haven't heard about because there is virtually no coverage of LSPL. Further, not only did 8/12 Chinese LPL teams recruit 2 Korean starters per team, but a few of these teams also recruited Korean subs. For example, LGD owns both Flame and Acorn. WE owns both Ninja and Mystic.

With such a huge amount of talent - amounting to ~30 players by a few counts - leaving, it was bound to have a catastrophic effect on Korea's ability to keep itself competitive. That a team on the caliber of GE was able to be formed from the remnants, and was able to out perform all up to WE in IEM, is already a testament to just how large the gap was.

But there are limits to what you're able to do with a handful of first-tier talent sprinkled among second-tier talent, and IEM proved it.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#3470

Glory to the LPL champion
Glorious SEA doto
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#3471
On March 15 2015 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
LCS don't have talent to fill 10 teams in league, lol, why bother speaking about having 20.

China did, but China figured out the loophole of making phony organizations to "sponsor" their 2nd teams.

Apparently no one anywhere else figured that one out.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#3472
There are still six months between Worlds and now, too early to say China is the favourite imo. They should just name Riot streams after the region they're casting.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 21:31:33
March 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#3473
Will LMS get into PTL now? :>

On March 15 2015 06:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
LCS don't have talent to fill 10 teams in league, lol, why bother speaking about having 20.

China did, but China figured out the loophole of making phony organizations to "sponsor" their 2nd teams.

Apparently no one anywhere else figured that one out.


China is just too clever for mortals.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
crimethinking
Profile Joined February 2015
Vietnam765 Posts
March 14 2015 21:31 GMT
#3474
On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:12 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:11 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:08 Redox wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:03 Slusher wrote:
I've had a feeling for a while now that CN might be the stronger region I mean when your best players are mostly players who frankly weren't that great before the exodus that just seems to say the strength of the region has dropped.

that said I never would have predicted it to the tune of worst place > first place.

I think more than anything this win speaks to how truly chuuper like Ninja was

Right. And if TSM beats WE then NA>China>Korea?

Actaully NA is already better than Korea since both Korean teams didnt reach finals while an NA team did.


No. Because WE is still the worst LPL team so far and TSM is the best NA team. TSM wins doesn't prove anything.


WE was the worst LPL team with Ninja and Styz. The new WE is a different team, and has replaced its previously lackluster carries.

lol, no. WE is still trash.


Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.
ktrolster | OMG | worldelite
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
March 14 2015 21:32 GMT
#3475
On March 15 2015 06:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
LCS don't have talent to fill 10 teams in league, lol, why bother speaking about having 20.

China did, but China figured out the loophole of making phony organizations to "sponsor" their 2nd teams.

Apparently no one anywhere else figured that one out.


How soon we forget EG and Alliance.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 14 2015 21:32 GMT
#3476
On March 15 2015 06:32 Nitan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:30 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
LCS don't have talent to fill 10 teams in league, lol, why bother speaking about having 20.

China did, but China figured out the loophole of making phony organizations to "sponsor" their 2nd teams.

Apparently no one anywhere else figured that one out.


How soon we forget EG and Alliance.

And how they're no longer related?
liftlift > tsm
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
March 14 2015 21:33 GMT
#3477
On March 15 2015 06:23 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:21 Gahlo wrote:
The sign that people should have seen for a good time coming was that SKTS + Bengi with a dash of Faker is the 2nd best team in Korea.


as soon as Space was considered "good" I knew something was wrong


Space brought his entire region into space prison apparently
Best Trashcan NA - LoL Summoner. SKT / CLG / Liquid
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
March 14 2015 21:33 GMT
#3478
On March 15 2015 06:31 crimethinking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:12 Azarkon wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:11 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:08 Redox wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:03 Slusher wrote:
I've had a feeling for a while now that CN might be the stronger region I mean when your best players are mostly players who frankly weren't that great before the exodus that just seems to say the strength of the region has dropped.

that said I never would have predicted it to the tune of worst place > first place.

I think more than anything this win speaks to how truly chuuper like Ninja was

Right. And if TSM beats WE then NA>China>Korea?

Actaully NA is already better than Korea since both Korean teams didnt reach finals while an NA team did.


No. Because WE is still the worst LPL team so far and TSM is the best NA team. TSM wins doesn't prove anything.


WE was the worst LPL team with Ninja and Styz. The new WE is a different team, and has replaced its previously lackluster carries.

lol, no. WE is still trash.


Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.



They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.


the ad hominems were real LOL

LCK will be back eventually but they need to fix all the holes left in their infrastructure, they'll be fine
In Inca we trust
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 14 2015 21:33 GMT
#3479
On March 15 2015 06:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 06:32 Nitan wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:30 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2015 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
LCS don't have talent to fill 10 teams in league, lol, why bother speaking about having 20.

China did, but China figured out the loophole of making phony organizations to "sponsor" their 2nd teams.

Apparently no one anywhere else figured that one out.


How soon we forget EG and Alliance.

And how they're no longer related?

Even when they were, they didn't have an A-team/B-team relationship.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 14 2015 21:34 GMT
#3480
On March 15 2015 06:29 red_ wrote:
LPL clearly needs to get that RiotGames priority in streaming now, no more of this RiotGames2 red-headed stepchild treatment.

This is literally the most sensible thing I've read since WE won.

l0l
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