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oo_Wonderful_oo

The land of freedom23126 Posts

March 14 2015 21:53 GMT

#3521

On March 15 2015 06:52 TheYango wrote:

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Cuz all the offseason sandbagging tournaments are really indistinguishable from one another lol.

I don't even remember how was that tournament called when LGD won over Gamtee to hype me up over latter team, lol.
Then they died worse than King. >_<

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

March 14 2015 21:53 GMT

#3522

On March 15 2015 06:49 Fusilero wrote:
Team's I'd recommend watching are LGD and Snake mainly. OMG is kind of painful to watch since they're so narrowly based around Cool styling on shitters and EDG don't care. They're so ahead of everyone and have so many games won they're picking nid mid, riven mid and playing fireloli over clearlove so if you want to see dumb things happen for idiotic reasons before deft and koro bail everyone go watch EDG, same with iG for rookie.

I'd also recommend gamtee on the grounds that angelbeats will one day surpass cool mark my words.

Shrc should be interesting to follow starting now, since they got namei. Will be good storyline to watch. Seriously though. Snake #1

MajorityofOne

Canada2506 Posts

March 14 2015 21:55 GMT

#3523

On March 15 2015 06:53 wei2coolman wrote:

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Shrc should be interesting to follow starting now, since they got namei. Will be good storyline to watch. Seriously though. Snake #1

Itd be surprising if SHRC didn't at least make the playoffs now that they've got namei.

Gahlo

United States35172 Posts

March 14 2015 21:56 GMT

#3524

On March 15 2015 06:45 Azarkon wrote:

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On March 15 2015 06:37 Fusilero wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:35 crimethinking wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:33 las91 wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:31 crimethinking wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:19 Azarkon wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:12 Azarkon wrote:

On March 15 2015 06:11 chosenkerrigan wrote:
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No. Because WE is still the worst LPL team so far and TSM is the best NA team. TSM wins doesn't prove anything.

WE was the worst LPL team with Ninja and Styz. The new WE is a different team, and has replaced its previously lackluster carries.

lol, no. WE is still trash.

Even the old WE was not complete trash. They did take games and even Bo2s off of top LPL teams. The new carries are obvious improvements over the old ones in their willingness to make plays and not just settle for mediocrity.

Mind you, I personally believe the main change was Korean competitiveness, and that had GE made it to the finals, they'd have also been exposed by TSM. I don't believe Bjergsen is going to lose to Xiye the way Kuro lost two games in a row, for example. The Korean decline is pretty obvious when you look at the performance of CJ and GE.

They were not complete trash but they were the last place out of 12 teams competing in the same league. And if you are trying to argue that they suddenly got a lot better swapping 2 players playing their first matches on international stage, you got another thing coming.

And no. I will bet on GE against TSM any day of the week. Azarkon you are being too predictable these days and sound very desperate/pathetic as well.

He finally runs out of salt it seems. You know that the world is mad when the biggest salt deposit in the world seems to deplete.

the ad hominems were real LOL

LCK will be back eventually but they need to fix all the holes left in their infrastructure, they'll be fine

Years of reading GGnet Dota built me up against Azarkon. I'm not saying he doesn't make sense today...just some bad experience.

Is it hard to start a new org in Korea? Why is it just mostly big chaebols behind those gaming teams?

Smaller teams have just failed tbh, kespa teams tend to snatch up any talent that sticks out (RIP Xenics talent agency) while other attempts like anarchy and quvic (Firebathero's squad) just flat out collapse. Hard to catch up to what kespa can bring to the table.

GE Tigers, as far as I know, is sponsored by a Chinese organization. Has that changed?

The issue in the past was that while Champions used to be a 16 team tournament, you had around 8 companies that could essentially lock up 14 spots( SKT x2, KT x2, CJ x2, Najin x2, Samsung x2, Jin Air x2, IM x2) leaving smaller groups to fight over the leftover talent for 2 spots. Then they'd get knocked out of the tournament early and often disband or players with apptitude would get poached by the bigger companies.

With the crunch, there's still the same ratio of the Kespa teams but you have a bunch of the B class talent getting cut and suddenly available to be scooped up and fielded by somebody that was willing to give it a shot. That's how the GE tigers came about, pretty much.

oo_Wonderful_oo

The land of freedom23126 Posts

March 14 2015 21:56 GMT

#3525

On March 15 2015 06:53 wei2coolman wrote:

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Shrc should be interesting to follow starting now, since they got namei. Will be good storyline to watch. Seriously though. Snake #1

Starhorn has sick storyline, they're going to LPL promotion tournament, rofl.
To be fair, they're playing King tonight, if someone gets 2-0, loser will probably join our glorious bot-3 with xiaohu/Tale, Spirit and Raphael/Drizzle.

crimethinking

Vietnam765 Posts

March 14 2015 21:56 GMT

#3526

We need Korean entertainment companies to start esports divisions now. Team S.M., YG Gaming, JYP eSports would be hilarious.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

March 14 2015 21:56 GMT

#3527

Well playoffs is top 8 so it's super hard to not make playoffs for any of the reasonably good teams, but SHRC is doing a good job making it look possible.

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

March 14 2015 21:56 GMT

#3528

Unfortunately OMG still has Gogoing/Loveling/Cool, iG has KaKAO/Rookie, WE has spirit and M3 has Looper, so that's already shitton of LPL to watch :p

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

March 14 2015 21:58 GMT

#3529

On March 15 2015 06:55 MajorityofOne wrote:

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Itd be surprising if SHRC didn't at least make the playoffs now that they've got namei.

They only split with gt, and although namei's score was decent. His play was questionable, definitely did not play to his previous season's performance

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21244 Posts

March 14 2015 21:59 GMT

#3530

On March 15 2015 06:58 wei2coolman wrote:

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They only split with gt, and although namei's score was decent. His play was questionable, definitely did not play to his previous season's performance

Uh they 2-0ed GT...

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

March 14 2015 22:05 GMT

#3531

Namei played well against gamtee, but that was a pretty shit series from GT. By far their worst since angelbeats joined, between that and going 1-1 with EP I'm getting scared ;_;

But uuuuh since this is the IEM thread not LPL thread... how about that Yuzhe guy huh. He sure did that thing with the champion.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 14 2015 22:08 GMT

#3532

yea I thought he got overshadowed by the new mid/ad, he was really doing well, especially he was their only bright spot vs. TSM

Wijnruit

Brazil294 Posts

March 14 2015 22:24 GMT

#3533

I would like to see both SHRC and WE in China playoffs, I am so happy for Spirit right now.

chosenkerrigan

858 Posts

March 14 2015 22:28 GMT

#3534

On March 15 2015 06:38 AlterKot wrote:
So what's actually worth watching in China? LPL seems like it's too many games that matter too little to assume that teams take it seriously, are the small tournaments better?

Watch LPL games. Top 3 strongest teams are EDG/OMG/Snake by a fair margin. Snake's games look most entertaining to me though.

KissBlade

United States5718 Posts

March 14 2015 22:36 GMT

#3535

I actually thought Mystic played pretty average. Xiye played out of his mind today. Was definitely the mid + jungle show for the most part. Support was on point, Aluka played alright. Hype is a bit overblown on these showings. GET just looked unprepared.

oo_Wonderful_oo

The land of freedom23126 Posts

March 14 2015 22:38 GMT

#3536

On March 15 2015 07:36 KissBlade wrote:
I actually thought Mystic played pretty average. Xiye played out of his mind today. Was definitely the mid + jungle show for the most part. Support was on point, Aluka played alright. Hype is a bit overblown on these showings. GET just looked unprepared.

Mystic was very impressive in last 2 games and even in first, he and Yuzhe won laning phase.

Poor WE, playing LGD and OMG next week in LPL, rofl.
Even if they win against TSM now, everyone will forget it in 4 days.