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On October 13 2014 10:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:[ Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:30 cLutZ wrote:
Game 3, most exciting game. However, most importantly, this worlds has taught us 3 things:
1. Lucian is OP you idiots. He is better than all non-toplaners.
2. Ryze is even more op you idiots.
3. Everyone who China "experts" thought would be good this year that us laymen who watch only playoffs didn't particularly care for, actually is not that good (Namei, Cool, Gogoing). That's why Gogoing won series against NJWS almost 1v9. Cool had his moments, in general, i will give him something like 6/10 for this tournament, underwhelming, i was expecting way much. NaMei lost all his aura of godlikeness, sad shit.
I agree that GoGoing played really well against Najin White. His Irelia and Ryze in that series were great but 1 series is not what makes you the 10/10 toplaner he was billed as, by, like I said, the "China Experts." IMO he had consistently poor Rumble Ults this series, even in G1 where they won. His play overall against Blue was rubbish, and I think his Maokai this whole worlds was fine, but not something that makes me excited. Like I said, he was supposed to be awesome, he was awesome on 2 champions, good on 1 more, and basically bad on everything else.
And Cool, even if you think he was a 6/10 this tournament (I would say 5, basically average for this worlds), was billed as a 9 or 9.5, which means he vastly underperformed.
These bad calls by China Experts would not make me feel the need to comment, if they also didn't downplay how good Uzi was the whole time, and pretend that doesnt Insec run circles around their junglers if the other team doesn't make a concerted effort to screw him over (G1, G4, and they tried G3, but failed).
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Really, the issue here is once again that the format is curated in such a way that minimizes the number of matchups we get to see so we only get a very isolated view of how teams from different regions match up against each other.
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On October 13 2014 10:56 TheYango wrote:
Really, the issue here is once again that the format is curated in such a way that minimizes the number of matchups we get to see so we only get a very isolated view of how teams from different regions match up against each other.
You mean we're seeing a loss-leading festival of marketing and not the highest level of competition?
Are you suggesting that Riot Games has an incentive to keep things as interesting as possible rather than as accurate as possible by controlling the entire competitive scene rather than allowing smaller organizations to run much more competitive tournaments?
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On October 13 2014 10:55 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:43 wei2coolman wrote:
Name a fucking powerhouse team in OGN that would be legit straight up better than Royal, with the addition of Zero. SSB probably only korean team i can think of that would be better than Royal, with addition of Zero, but that's only because they're already as good if not already better than Royal. KT A ( r i p )
RIP KT A. Here lies a team that once was.
On October 13 2014 10:57 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:56 TheYango wrote:
Really, the issue here is once again that the format is curated in such a way that minimizes the number of matchups we get to see so we only get a very isolated view of how teams from different regions match up against each other. You mean we're seeing a loss-leading festival of marketing and not the highest level of competition? Are you suggesting that Riot Games has an incentive to keep things as interesting as possible rather than as accurate as possible by controlling the entire competitive scene rather than allowing smaller organizations to run much more competitive tournaments?
Wut? This is like complaining about how the olympics limit the number of athletes per country per event.
inb4 "olympics is marketing campaign not highest level of competition".
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On October 13 2014 10:57 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:56 TheYango wrote:
Really, the issue here is once again that the format is curated in such a way that minimizes the number of matchups we get to see so we only get a very isolated view of how teams from different regions match up against each other. You mean we're seeing a loss-leading festival of marketing and not the highest level of competition? Are you suggesting that Riot Games has an incentive to keep things as interesting as possible rather than as accurate as possible by controlling the entire competitive scene rather than allowing smaller organizations to run much more competitive tournaments?
We've actually had really decent match ups in semis/quarters though. Like Blue vs White could have easily been the finals, and seeing that stomp for a finals would've been real anti-climatic. At this point, considering how great White is playing, I cannot imagine any team matching up to them as they seem to be on a huge upswing.
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On October 13 2014 11:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:57 xes wrote:On October 13 2014 10:56 TheYango wrote:
Really, the issue here is once again that the format is curated in such a way that minimizes the number of matchups we get to see so we only get a very isolated view of how teams from different regions match up against each other. You mean we're seeing a loss-leading festival of marketing and not the highest level of competition? Are you suggesting that Riot Games has an incentive to keep things as interesting as possible rather than as accurate as possible by controlling the entire competitive scene rather than allowing smaller organizations to run much more competitive tournaments? Wut? This is like complaining about how the olympics limit the number of athletes per country per event. inb4 "olympics is marketing campaign not highest level of competition".
No.
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On October 13 2014 11:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:55 xes wrote:On October 13 2014 10:43 wei2coolman wrote:
Name a fucking powerhouse team in OGN that would be legit straight up better than Royal, with the addition of Zero. SSB probably only korean team i can think of that would be better than Royal, with addition of Zero, but that's only because they're already as good if not already better than Royal. KT A ( r i p ) RIP KT A. Here lies a team that once was. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:57 xes wrote:On October 13 2014 10:56 TheYango wrote:
Really, the issue here is once again that the format is curated in such a way that minimizes the number of matchups we get to see so we only get a very isolated view of how teams from different regions match up against each other. You mean we're seeing a loss-leading festival of marketing and not the highest level of competition? Are you suggesting that Riot Games has an incentive to keep things as interesting as possible rather than as accurate as possible by controlling the entire competitive scene rather than allowing smaller organizations to run much more competitive tournaments? Wut? This is like complaining about how the olympics limit the number of athletes per country per event. inb4 "olympics is marketing campaign not highest level of competition".
The olympics are high levels of competition...for sports that no one gives a fuck about.
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On October 13 2014 11:10 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:57 xes wrote:On October 13 2014 10:56 TheYango wrote:
Really, the issue here is once again that the format is curated in such a way that minimizes the number of matchups we get to see so we only get a very isolated view of how teams from different regions match up against each other. You mean we're seeing a loss-leading festival of marketing and not the highest level of competition? Are you suggesting that Riot Games has an incentive to keep things as interesting as possible rather than as accurate as possible by controlling the entire competitive scene rather than allowing smaller organizations to run much more competitive tournaments? We've actually had really decent match ups in semis/quarters though. Like Blue vs White could have easily been the finals, and seeing that stomp for a finals would've been real anti-climatic. At this point, considering how great White is playing, I cannot imagine any team matching up to them as they seem to be on a huge upswing.
This year's world's format is solid as fuck, even non-competitive teams were pretty great in group stages. Ahq vs EDG, Kabum vs All. the problem just lies with SSW being that much better than any other team. They pretty much stomped the 2nd best team at World's 3-0. Like, not a single game was even fucking close in that series. That's not Riot's fault that SSW's run at World's have been so dominating. The only team that wasn't invited that probably would have given SSW a run for their money would be KT A, but even then I'd still take SSW to win that 3-0, especially after watching that performance against SSB.
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On October 13 2014 10:55 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:[ On October 13 2014 10:30 cLutZ wrote:
Game 3, most exciting game. However, most importantly, this worlds has taught us 3 things:
1. Lucian is OP you idiots. He is better than all non-toplaners.
2. Ryze is even more op you idiots.
3. Everyone who China "experts" thought would be good this year that us laymen who watch only playoffs didn't particularly care for, actually is not that good (Namei, Cool, Gogoing). That's why Gogoing won series against NJWS almost 1v9. Cool had his moments, in general, i will give him something like 6/10 for this tournament, underwhelming, i was expecting way much. NaMei lost all his aura of godlikeness, sad shit. I agree that GoGoing played really well against Najin White. His Irelia and Ryze in that series were great but 1 series is not what makes you the 10/10 toplaner he was billed as, by, like I said, the "China Experts." IMO he had consistently poor Rumble Ults this series, even in G1 where they won. His play overall against Blue was rubbish, and I think his Maokai this whole worlds was fine, but not something that makes me excited. Like I said, he was supposed to be awesome, he was awesome on 2 champions, good on 1 more, and basically bad on everything else. And Cool, even if you think he was a 6/10 this tournament (I would say 5, basically average for this worlds), was billed as a 9 or 9.5, which means he vastly underperformed. These bad calls by China Experts would not make me feel the need to comment, if they also didn't downplay how good Uzi was the whole time, and pretend that doesnt Insec run circles around their junglers if the other team doesn't make a concerted effort to screw him over (G1, G4, and they tried G3, but failed).
Agree with Cool under performing but not GoGoing. He hovered between awesome and very good in this tournament and his Rumble was the exception, not the rule.
His Rumble in that series was the textbook case of a player trying to make a strong pick work when he's not very good with it. In game 5 particularly Royal did really well to bait him into it by leaving Maokai open in a way that let him get through to the third round of picks (Taking Lucian from San, leaving up Janna and KZ, both of whom OMG had heavily prioritised) baiting in the "counter" in Rumble. KZ had minimal impact and Thresh is hardly lightyears behind Janna so they didn't lose a whole lot, got a power pick in Maokai and baited GoGoing onto his worst professional champion. It was a really cleverly played b/p phase.
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gogoing's rumble ults were still lightyears ahead of wickd's.
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Finally got caught up on semis, not pleased with the results :/
SHRC are gonna get stomped. inb4 3-0 finals two years in a row.
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2nd year in a row SHRC gets to finals without playing a single Korean team too..
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On October 13 2014 12:30 chalice wrote:
gogoing's rumble ults were still lightyears ahead of wickd's.
If ever there was an example of damming with faint praise...
Gogoings equalizers were so frustrating. So many of them were cast through the team rather than across them. Royal just stepped aside and moved forward or back as appropriate. He used them on single targets pretty regularly as well.
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On October 13 2014 13:23 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 12:30 chalice wrote:
gogoing's rumble ults were still lightyears ahead of wickd's. If ever there was an example of damming with faint praise... Gogoings equalizers were so frustrating. So many of them were cast through the team rather than across them. Royal just stepped aside and moved forward or back as appropriate. He used them on single targets pretty regularly as well.
They key one for me was this dive against him him in the top lane in probably Game 2, where he "split" the team, but did 0 damage. It was exactly as bad as Soaz (#1 EU overrated player) terrible rumble ult during the backdoor: if your enemies are Bronze, you crush them, if they are Plat, they laugh at you and kill you.
I just disagree that GoGoing was good on anything besides Ryze and Irelia. He was average (for the entire 16 team tournament) on Nidalee and Maokai, and a bad Rumble. Obviously his Alistar could be good (and we never got to see it, or anyones).
Basically, 2013 Dade, except people didn't ban him out.
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On October 13 2014 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Sigh. Yet again OMG did all the work then lose to Royal lol.
I am pretty sure Royal would have had tons of trouble vs Shield. What evidence is there to suggest that? Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. inSec always played like that, people who say that "inSec was way better when he was jungler in KT B" are just hypocrites. On October 13 2014 10:07 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. I actually think Zero is a much better player, and is basically the biggest reason uzi can play as he does. He also gives them the control they need after they get the early game lead game 5 of omg vs royal club was just a slaughter. None of OMG played well. All of the team made simple mistakes. They were basically full on tilt as soon as the game went slightly out of their hands. Zero is just salvaging all shit Uzi and inSec do, if somehow Starhorn is going to win 1 game against White, it will be completely on his shoulders. I geniunely hope that if Zero goes back to OGN, he's going to find legit powerhouse team. 2nd place at worlds. "find a powerhouse team". let's fucking face it. He already did. No one fucking gives Royal any fucking credit because they always think "oh that's not how you're supposed to play LoL", which is fucking bullshit. Pure raw mechanical abilities with insane unchecked aggression is a perfectly valid way to play LoL, deal with it.
personally, I don't give Royal any credit because they only have 1 playstyle (unless they get retardedly ahead early game by some stroke of luck; ie. Insec playing stupidly aggressive and it actually working out).
That playstyle is bend over and take it and hope the other team throws so Uzi can carry us.
Corn and Cola are godawful and were getting completely outplayed by literally every other non-Wildcard top laner in the tournament. Insec is pretty good, but is super aggressive, probably so Royal has a chance of making it through the early game. Uzi is a god. Zero is ok.
On October 13 2014 13:23 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 12:30 chalice wrote:
gogoing's rumble ults were still lightyears ahead of wickd's. If ever there was an example of damming with faint praise... Gogoings equalizers were so frustrating. So many of them were cast through the team rather than across them. Royal just stepped aside and moved forward or back as appropriate. He used them on single targets pretty regularly as well.
Agreed. Gogoing didn't seem comfortable on Rumble. His use of the ult was almost always questionable; he never seems to have the timing or placement right. I remember that one attempted baron sneak in game 2 or 3 where Corn's Mundo tp'd into the pit. OMG were slow to back off, but even then they had a chance to disengage if Gogoing ulted to cover their retreat. Instead, he held on to the ult until after Zero was caught. By then Royal had engaged on them it was gg.
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On October 13 2014 13:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
Finally got caught up on semis, not pleased with the results :/
SHRC are gonna get stomped. inb4 3-0 finals two years in a row.
SHRC might be able to get 1 game in game 3 of the match imo, if ssw gets cocky, uzi might be able to carry one game.
other than that, it's going to be a very bleak finals, that being said 3-0 stomps can be entertaining, the SSB vs SSW semi was pretty good series despite the stomp.
On October 13 2014 13:56 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:On October 13 2014 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Sigh. Yet again OMG did all the work then lose to Royal lol.
I am pretty sure Royal would have had tons of trouble vs Shield. What evidence is there to suggest that? On October 13 2014 10:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. inSec always played like that, people who say that "inSec was way better when he was jungler in KT B" are just hypocrites. On October 13 2014 10:07 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. I actually think Zero is a much better player, and is basically the biggest reason uzi can play as he does. He also gives them the control they need after they get the early game lead game 5 of omg vs royal club was just a slaughter. None of OMG played well. All of the team made simple mistakes. They were basically full on tilt as soon as the game went slightly out of their hands. Zero is just salvaging all shit Uzi and inSec do, if somehow Starhorn is going to win 1 game against White, it will be completely on his shoulders. I geniunely hope that if Zero goes back to OGN, he's going to find legit powerhouse team. 2nd place at worlds. "find a powerhouse team". let's fucking face it. He already did. No one fucking gives Royal any fucking credit because they always think "oh that's not how you're supposed to play LoL", which is fucking bullshit. Pure raw mechanical abilities with insane unchecked aggression is a perfectly valid way to play LoL, deal with it. personally, I don't give Royal any credit because they only have 1 playstyle (unless they get retardedly ahead early game by some stroke of luck; ie. Insec playing stupidly aggressive and it actually working out). That playstyle is bend over and take it and hope the other team throws so Uzi can carry us. Corn and Cola are godawful and were getting completely outplayed by literally every other non-Wildcard top laner in the tournament. Insec is pretty good, but is super aggressive, probably so Royal has a chance of making it through the early game. Uzi is a god. Zero is ok.
lol, "ok"
yeah, kobe bryant is just ok. too.
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On October 13 2014 13:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
Finally got caught up on semis, not pleased with the results :/
SHRC are gonna get stomped. inb4 3-0 finals two years in a row.
It's not like OMG would have done any better. I'm fairly sure OMG would have gotten 3-0'd as well. I predicted White to be champions even with predicting royal club would make it to finals(I had them beating Shield instead of OMG though, but I stick with my prediction of Uzi carrying Royal). I think their 2nd place curse is real especially with Insec there. I mean come on, even Blue got stomped by White. What makes you think OMG would have had any chance after the Blue stomp?
I'm excited that Royal club got to finals because I think they are the more interesting team. They have a unique play style, and Uzi is seriously really really really good. People talk about his mechanics, but I believe his in-game decisions are really strong and underestimated. Of course, he can be baited in by his team on occasion.
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On October 13 2014 14:43 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 13:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 13 2014 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:On October 13 2014 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Sigh. Yet again OMG did all the work then lose to Royal lol.
I am pretty sure Royal would have had tons of trouble vs Shield. What evidence is there to suggest that? On October 13 2014 10:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. inSec always played like that, people who say that "inSec was way better when he was jungler in KT B" are just hypocrites. On October 13 2014 10:07 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. I actually think Zero is a much better player, and is basically the biggest reason uzi can play as he does. He also gives them the control they need after they get the early game lead game 5 of omg vs royal club was just a slaughter. None of OMG played well. All of the team made simple mistakes. They were basically full on tilt as soon as the game went slightly out of their hands. Zero is just salvaging all shit Uzi and inSec do, if somehow Starhorn is going to win 1 game against White, it will be completely on his shoulders. I geniunely hope that if Zero goes back to OGN, he's going to find legit powerhouse team. 2nd place at worlds. "find a powerhouse team". let's fucking face it. He already did. No one fucking gives Royal any fucking credit because they always think "oh that's not how you're supposed to play LoL", which is fucking bullshit. Pure raw mechanical abilities with insane unchecked aggression is a perfectly valid way to play LoL, deal with it. personally, I don't give Royal any credit because they only have 1 playstyle (unless they get retardedly ahead early game by some stroke of luck; ie. Insec playing stupidly aggressive and it actually working out). That playstyle is bend over and take it and hope the other team throws so Uzi can carry us. Corn and Cola are godawful and were getting completely outplayed by literally every other non-Wildcard top laner in the tournament. Insec is pretty good, but is super aggressive, probably so Royal has a chance of making it through the early game. Uzi is a god. Zero is ok. lol, "ok" yeah, kobe bryant is just ok. too.
Yea no. Zero is no Kobe, not even close. Mata is definitely better than Zero. GorillA, LemonNation, and Lustboy are all as good if not better than Zero and that's just the supports from bracket stage at World's.
I don't find Zero amazing. He's solid, but nothing spectacular. Royal's vision control is abysmal and while it's a team effort, the support also holds the brunt of the responsibility for vision. Zero also facechecks one too many times for me to consider him top tier. His skillshot accuracy is good, but not Madlife-level either. You could argue that his skill level is being obfuscated due to the overall skill level of SHRC, but he was nothing special when he was on KT Rolster iirc.
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On October 13 2014 14:57 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 14:43 wei2coolman wrote:On October 13 2014 13:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 13 2014 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:On October 13 2014 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Sigh. Yet again OMG did all the work then lose to Royal lol.
I am pretty sure Royal would have had tons of trouble vs Shield. What evidence is there to suggest that? On October 13 2014 10:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. inSec always played like that, people who say that "inSec was way better when he was jungler in KT B" are just hypocrites. On October 13 2014 10:07 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. I actually think Zero is a much better player, and is basically the biggest reason uzi can play as he does. He also gives them the control they need after they get the early game lead game 5 of omg vs royal club was just a slaughter. None of OMG played well. All of the team made simple mistakes. They were basically full on tilt as soon as the game went slightly out of their hands. Zero is just salvaging all shit Uzi and inSec do, if somehow Starhorn is going to win 1 game against White, it will be completely on his shoulders. I geniunely hope that if Zero goes back to OGN, he's going to find legit powerhouse team. 2nd place at worlds. "find a powerhouse team". let's fucking face it. He already did. No one fucking gives Royal any fucking credit because they always think "oh that's not how you're supposed to play LoL", which is fucking bullshit. Pure raw mechanical abilities with insane unchecked aggression is a perfectly valid way to play LoL, deal with it. personally, I don't give Royal any credit because they only have 1 playstyle (unless they get retardedly ahead early game by some stroke of luck; ie. Insec playing stupidly aggressive and it actually working out). That playstyle is bend over and take it and hope the other team throws so Uzi can carry us. Corn and Cola are godawful and were getting completely outplayed by literally every other non-Wildcard top laner in the tournament. Insec is pretty good, but is super aggressive, probably so Royal has a chance of making it through the early game. Uzi is a god. Zero is ok. lol, "ok" yeah, kobe bryant is just ok. too. Yea no. Zero is no Kobe, not even close. Mata is definitely better than Zero. GorillA, LemonNation, and Lustboy are all as good if not better than Zero and that's just the supports from bracket stage at World's.I don't find Zero amazing. He's solid, but nothing spectacular. Royal's vision control is abysmal and while it's a team effort, the support also holds the brunt of the responsibility for vision. Zero also facechecks one too many times for me to consider him top tier. His skillshot accuracy is good, but not Madlife-level either. You could argue that his skill level is being obfuscated due to the overall skill level of SHRC, but he was nothing special when he was on KT Rolster iirc.
Yea, that's why we see lemonnation(lol) and lustboy(lollol) playing in the Finals right? Please, we saw Zero win games for Royal in both the EDG and OMG series. I do think GorillA can be better than Zero, but GorillA definitely didn't show up for their games against OMG in the quarters. The OMG swap of cloud vs dada777 should be proof enough that you don't get to quarters without a solid mid-game support. Zero has won games for Royal due to his vision and map control. It's really weird to try to say lustboy and lemonnation are better than Zero.
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On October 13 2014 15:04 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 14:57 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 13 2014 14:43 wei2coolman wrote:On October 13 2014 13:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 13 2014 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:On October 13 2014 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Sigh. Yet again OMG did all the work then lose to Royal lol.
I am pretty sure Royal would have had tons of trouble vs Shield. What evidence is there to suggest that? On October 13 2014 10:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. inSec always played like that, people who say that "inSec was way better when he was jungler in KT B" are just hypocrites. On October 13 2014 10:07 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 09:49 chalice wrote:
insec is the wildcard that that gives SHRC that 10% chance of getting lucky and pulling off the upset that they didn't have last year. overall he's not that great of a jungler, but if things go well for him he can make a difference in a way that few others can. I actually think Zero is a much better player, and is basically the biggest reason uzi can play as he does. He also gives them the control they need after they get the early game lead game 5 of omg vs royal club was just a slaughter. None of OMG played well. All of the team made simple mistakes. They were basically full on tilt as soon as the game went slightly out of their hands. Zero is just salvaging all shit Uzi and inSec do, if somehow Starhorn is going to win 1 game against White, it will be completely on his shoulders. I geniunely hope that if Zero goes back to OGN, he's going to find legit powerhouse team. 2nd place at worlds. "find a powerhouse team". let's fucking face it. He already did. No one fucking gives Royal any fucking credit because they always think "oh that's not how you're supposed to play LoL", which is fucking bullshit. Pure raw mechanical abilities with insane unchecked aggression is a perfectly valid way to play LoL, deal with it. personally, I don't give Royal any credit because they only have 1 playstyle (unless they get retardedly ahead early game by some stroke of luck; ie. Insec playing stupidly aggressive and it actually working out). That playstyle is bend over and take it and hope the other team throws so Uzi can carry us. Corn and Cola are godawful and were getting completely outplayed by literally every other non-Wildcard top laner in the tournament. Insec is pretty good, but is super aggressive, probably so Royal has a chance of making it through the early game. Uzi is a god. Zero is ok. lol, "ok" yeah, kobe bryant is just ok. too. Yea no. Zero is no Kobe, not even close. Mata is definitely better than Zero. GorillA, LemonNation, and Lustboy are all as good if not better than Zero and that's just the supports from bracket stage at World's.I don't find Zero amazing. He's solid, but nothing spectacular. Royal's vision control is abysmal and while it's a team effort, the support also holds the brunt of the responsibility for vision. Zero also facechecks one too many times for me to consider him top tier. His skillshot accuracy is good, but not Madlife-level either. You could argue that his skill level is being obfuscated due to the overall skill level of SHRC, but he was nothing special when he was on KT Rolster iirc. Yea, that's why we see lemonnation(lol) and lustboy(lollol) playing in the Finals right? Please, we saw Zero win games for Royal in both the EDG and OMG series. I do think GorillA is better than Zero, but GorillA definitely didn't show up for their games against OMG in the quarters. The OMG swap of cloud vs dada777 should be proof enough that you don't get to quarters without a solid mid-game support. Zero has won games for Royal due to his vision and map control.
That's a terrible argument. C9 and TSM got knocked out by arguably the two strongest teams at Worlds. You can't deny that SSB, TSM, and C9 all got the shitty side of the bracket. If SHRC and TSM swapped bracket spots, SHRC wouldn't have even made it to semis.
I'm not saying C9 or TSM>SHRC. I'm saying Zero probably isn't heads and shoulders above LemonNation and Lustboy the way Kobe is heads and shoulders above [insert random NBA point guard here].
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