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Unfounded matchfixing accusations are not welcome. Refrain from making off-the-wall accusations without concrete evidence.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 20 2014 06:30 GMT
#2101
On September 20 2014 14:20 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
On September 20 2014 06:22 Azarkon wrote:
It's pretty obvious the issue isn't genetics, as China and other Asian countries aren't nearly as successful as Korea and were we to remove Korea from the equation, every major region that invests in eSports is internationally competitive. The standout has been and remains Korea in all games.


huh? korea is nonexistant in dota 2.

and if you cant show me why leagues such as the NFL and NBA still have little to no asian players then you can't simply dismiss genetics.

Cultural differences play a pretty big role. First, you have to keep in mind that the US is basically the only country/culture in the world that plays American football. Then when you consider that Asians only make up a little over 5% of the population (according to 2013 census data) it's not too surprising that there are no Asians playing in the NFL and very very little in other pro sports leagues in the US.

Than you have to consider the fact that a large portion of Asians in the US are first or second generation. The whole "Asian parents" thing is not entirely untrue. Asian parents and families do put significant pressure on their children to pursue white collar careers. That is evidenced by the fact that Asians have a disproportionate representation in white collar jobs (or doctors). As a result, there's less Asian American children actively pursuing a career in sports, further diminishing Asian representation in professional sports leagues.

And then you have to add in racism/discrimination. You can't deny that Asians will be discriminated against in sports since Asians are typically seen as not athletic. During the Linsanity craze, Jeremy Lin talked a lot about his personal experiences regarding that.

I don't believe that Asians are simply "less athletic" than non-Asians. Otherwise China wouldn't win so many gold medals during the Olympics. This is not to say genetics don't play a role; they certainly do. Rather, there are a whole host of other factors that play into racial representation in pro sport leagues.

Especially in regards to bringing in genetics in basketball, the "genetic" part is extremely quantifiable in regards to height. There are solid statistical works and research that go in to average heights of specific racial groups.

So unless you got serious work backing specific genetic traits and their relations to the sport and ethnic group, there's no real good argument to be made.
liftlift > tsm
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
September 20 2014 06:46 GMT
#2102
Oh, is it this time of the year where we all chime in on why the best teams in the world are so much better than the bad ones? Do we have to do the complete check list for these bad teams to catch up on, or are we going to pretend that there's a quick fix that nobody has thought of before that will magically bring this issue to an end?
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 20 2014 06:56 GMT
#2103
I want to see TPA taking revenge on TSM.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 20 2014 07:04 GMT
#2104
On September 20 2014 15:46 Letmelose wrote:
Oh, is it this time of the year where we all chime in on why the best teams in the world are so much better than the bad ones? Do we have to do the complete check list for these bad teams to catch up on, or are we going to pretend that there's a quick fix that nobody has thought of before that will magically bring this issue to an end?

steroids, pie, coffee, declaration of independence, imported koreans, steaks, cowboys, stars 'n stripes, booze, and poppy
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liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 20 2014 08:26 GMT
#2105
On September 20 2014 06:00 iCanada wrote:
You mean where everyone gets their own personal space, they're own room, you practice twice a week, and then you spend the rest of your time partying?

That was my varsity experience....


You really think that anecdote is equatable to the standard athletic program at any successful university or pro team, or AAU baseball/basketball team, or JO volleyball team, or track or gymnastics academy(sorry for leaving out swimming Aus I have 0 experience with it's infrastructure aside from it being a college and olympic sport)?

Also for all this talk about 'success' in the west requiring these 'laid back' environments with all this personal space and time and whatnot, the most successful people in the western world are basically notorious workaholics that live at their jobs and neglect their families until they've made it big enough(and even then it still continues for lots of them) to scale it back.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
September 20 2014 08:54 GMT
#2106
Guuuh is it still groups A and B?

I want to see the other teams
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 20 2014 08:58 GMT
#2107
On September 20 2014 17:54 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
Guuuh is it still groups A and B?

I want to see the other teams


ye this week is only A+B, next week in Singapore is C+D
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
September 20 2014 08:59 GMT
#2108
Thankfully it's the weekend. I want to see a game live for once rather than vods - been awake for 21 hours now, gonna die x___X. WORTH
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
September 20 2014 09:06 GMT
#2109
On September 20 2014 17:54 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
Guuuh is it still groups A and B?

I want to see the other teams


It would be more interesting if they switched between all groups over both weekends, but with them hopping from taiwan to singapore, this would´ve been too expensive I guess.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 09:13:21
September 20 2014 09:12 GMT
#2110
On September 20 2014 18:06 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 17:54 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
Guuuh is it still groups A and B?

I want to see the other teams


It would be more interesting if they switched between all groups over both weekends, but with them hopping from taiwan to singapore, this would´ve been too expensive I guess.


Or riot stop being retard and place group a+c together and b+d and draw lots for quarter finals.
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
September 20 2014 09:26 GMT
#2111
SSW y u tease the audience so ):
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 20 2014 09:27 GMT
#2112
PawN with Zed, fuck yeah.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
September 20 2014 09:27 GMT
#2113
Anyone want to talk with me on ts? I'm lonely
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
September 20 2014 09:30 GMT
#2114
On September 20 2014 18:27 739 wrote:
PawN with Zed, fuck yeah.

Pretty psyched. I've been practicing Zed all week
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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
September 20 2014 09:31 GMT
#2115
On September 20 2014 06:00 iCanada wrote:
You mean where everyone gets their own personal space, they're own room, you practice twice a week, and then you spend the rest of your time partying?

That was my varsity experience...

Not to mention, post secondary dorm students have the highest rate of suicide in the entire western world...


Lol that is so bullshit my friend went over to the us to play for a div2 college and they train pretty much every day. 430am gym session means no drinking either. Also being an NFL player is a full time job
@miicah88
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
September 20 2014 09:33 GMT
#2116
Flash q Alistar into tower into Kha6

The plays
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
September 20 2014 09:36 GMT
#2117
DP botlane may be trading well in terms of HP, but take a look at the CS >_>;;
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 20 2014 09:37 GMT
#2118
LOL #DPWIN 73%, dafuq.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
September 20 2014 09:37 GMT
#2119
Lol Mata you jerk
@miicah88
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
September 20 2014 09:38 GMT
#2120
Well DP's bot lane just lost the lane hard thanks to Mata. They got dragon but lost 3 waves thanks to the interrupt and lane freeze
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