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On September 20 2014 06:00 iCanada wrote:
You mean where everyone gets their own personal space, they're own room, you practice twice a week, and then you spend the rest of your time partying?
That was my varsity experience...
Sorry if it wasn't implied that "competitive athletics" also included the last paragraph
My high school swim team was top in our state and competing nationally and we practiced twice a day 6 times a week, including during school breaks. Fellow competitors across the country shared this background, as well as our school's very successful football team.
So now I have 3 anecdotes to your 1 looks like I'm in the lead on this shitposting poor argument race.
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When the fuck did this turn into a neo-eugenics argument?
Sometimes I worry about you guys.
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I am not even sure if you troll or not tbh.
Saying that westerners are better when they train less and only need to "train twice a week" or some bs is absolutely ridiculous.
If you wanna be at the top you have to be dedicated and focus (almost) completely on the activity you are trying to be the best at.
It really is as simple as that.
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On September 20 2014 06:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am not even sure if you troll or not tbh.
Saying that westerners are better when they train less and only need to "train twice a week" or some bs is absolutely ridiculous.
If you wanna be at the top you have to be dedicated and focus (almost) completely on the activity you are trying to be the best at.
It really is as simple as that.
But the delicate Nordic individuals of the West cannot perform well when forced to work hard with dedication unlike the subservient Asians who come from a history of authoritarian acquiescence and are thus much more well adjusted to being trained like robots.
This is why Japan and South Korea, despite having such high levels of corporate dedication, do not suffer from endemic mental health issues, unlike those poor Canadian university students who just can't handle the stress.
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On September 20 2014 06:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am not even sure if you troll or not tbh.
Saying that westerners are better when they train less and only need to "train twice a week" or some bs is absolutely ridiculous.
If you wanna be at the top you have to be dedicated and focus (almost) completely on the activity you are trying to be the best at.
It really is as simple as that.
I'm not saying they shouldn't train hard. I'm saying they should stay fresh.
I propose a standard 8 hour work day, forty hour work week rest of the day is their own. Give then their own apartment / house / living arrangement, free time. Make them live a healthy lifestyle.
There comes a point where grinding more games has a finishing return and just refreshing your mind is a whole lot better.
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On September 20 2014 05:20 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 05:12 zer0das wrote:On September 20 2014 04:41 iCanada wrote:That's not true. A guy like n0ny had Korean like mechanics. He went in, smashed starleague first go, got his pro license, and then fell off the map because he just became do depressed with the life style. We're talking about an absolute prodigy in n0ny.. Not really accurate. He lost his final courage match, and to the best of my knowledge never won courage. He never played in a Starleague. Yeah, it wasn't because of lack of mechanics. Yeah, that's what I meant, courage. Still though, his showing at courage pre kespa boot camping was hella impressive. There was buzz even in Korea that after he got on a team he'd become an absolute monster player... but it didn't happen that way. And it's not like Nony did anything wrong, that lifestyle just isn't healthy for westerners, we need personal space, we thrive on being well rested and fresh. There is a reason no talented foreigners went to Korea and became amazing. On the overhand, in pro sports talented foreigners come in and dominate the nba, the nhl, mlb etc. Professional sports teams in NA practice like once a week, that's it. The Canadian hockey team at Sochii had two practices all tourney long, yet came in first in dominating fashion. Russia practiced the most of every team in the tournament but was it before elimination games even started despite being rented number 1 in the world. Psychologically westerners are better off practicing less and being mentally well prepared / happy / motivated. We will never beat Koreans at being Korean.
Woah, woah. Wait. Pro teams practice once a week? That's news to me. In the NFL, there's practice every day until a short-day the day before the game starts and maybe a day off the day after a game. That's most definitely not "once a week."
NBA players practices vary but if, at the very least, they practice on gameday/before gameday, that's most definitely more than once a week. Then, you get stories of guys like Kobe who stay in practice for ridiculously long times equivalent to how you hear stories about, for example, "Piglet pulling all-nighters to improve."
It's not that psychologically Westerners are better off practicing less. There's no inherently magical, "Oh Koreans just are genetically predisposed to practicing," that's completely disproven by how hard you see players in the highest level of the NFL and the like practice. It's just that you see less of that kind of mentality in the players in LoL in NA for whatever reason.
Hell, you don't even need to apply this just to sports. Look at professional fields like the "best" doctors, chefs, and the like. There's plenty of people regardless of culture who devote themselves to being the very best in the field and research/study/train/etc. extremely hard to be that way.
EDIT: Alright, I saw your most recent post and yes, I'd agree with that, but it seems that the message you've been trying to argue was worded in a way in the earlier posts that had connotations of: "Western professional teams in other sports are successful because they don't practice often" rather than the "Oh people need some breaks in between their practice sessions to refresh. They can't just 24/7 practice forever." I'd disagree with the former, but I'd agree with the latter.
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On September 20 2014 06:14 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 06:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am not even sure if you troll or not tbh.
Saying that westerners are better when they train less and only need to "train twice a week" or some bs is absolutely ridiculous.
If you wanna be at the top you have to be dedicated and focus (almost) completely on the activity you are trying to be the best at.
It really is as simple as that. But the delicate Nordic individuals of the West cannot perform well when forced to work hard with dedication unlike the subservient Asians who come from a history of authoritarian acquiescence and are thus much more well adjusted to being trained like robots. This is why Japan and South Korea, despite having such high levels of corporate dedication, do not suffer from endemic mental health issues, unlike those poor Canadian university students who just can't handle the stress.
Japan is more about being happy, content, and fresh than anyone else...
Japan pioneered things like JIT, 5S, pull manufacturing.. all things designed to not over stress your work force.
You just sound really ignorant right now.
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It's pretty obvious the issue isn't genetics, as China and other Asian countries aren't nearly as successful as Korea and were we to remove Korea from the equation, every major region that invests in eSports is internationally competitive. The standout has been and remains Korea in all games.
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I never said it's genetic. It has nothing to do with race or anything like that.
You take someone who has a lot and give them a little they are unhappy.
You take someone who has little and give them a little they are content.
It's about comparative socio-economic scenarios.
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On September 20 2014 06:14 xes wrote:
This is why Japan and South Korea, despite having such high levels of corporate dedication, do not suffer from endemic mental health issues
Trolling or just bad knowledge?
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On September 20 2014 06:26 iCanada wrote:
I never said it's genetic. It has nothing to do with race or anything like that.
You take someone who has a lot and give them a little they are unhappy.
You take someone who has little and give them a little they are content.
It's about comparative socio-economic scenarios.
Dryus's socio-economic background is likely to be worse than that of most Asian Pros, yet he is not a particularly hard worker. In fact; middle class upbringings in Asia and the West do not differ in terms of quality of living nearly as much as you think, the biggest difference is probably just the amount of education and time spent around it in Asia.
At the end of the day the biggest difference is competition and the need to be the best to survive in one esports scene that does not exist in others.
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On September 20 2014 06:09 BrownBear wrote:
When the fuck did this turn into a neo-eugenics argument?
Sometimes I worry about you guys.
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On September 20 2014 06:39 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 06:26 iCanada wrote:
I never said it's genetic. It has nothing to do with race or anything like that.
You take someone who has a lot and give them a little they are unhappy.
You take someone who has little and give them a little they are content.
It's about comparative socio-economic scenarios. Dryus's socio-economic background is likely to be worse than that of most Asian Pros, yet he is not a particularly hard worker. In fact; middle class upbringings in Asia and the West do not differ in terms of quality of living nearly as much as you think, the biggest difference is probably just the amount of education and time spent around it in Asia. At the end of the day the biggest difference is competition and the need to be the best to survive in one esports scene that does not exist in others.
It's not about being a hard worker, it's about being mentally happy and healthy.
Someone who is used to having free time and personal space doesn't handle having no free time and no personal space as well as someone who has never had either.
That's all I'm saying. At some point, you can only make them practice and work in an environment that gives them the most practice as reasonably possible. At some point you just make things marginally better for a huge cost... That point of what is reasonable differs depending on cultural expectations, and what people need to feel content.
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On September 20 2014 06:22 Azarkon wrote:
It's pretty obvious the issue isn't genetics, as China and other Asian countries aren't nearly as successful as Korea and were we to remove Korea from the equation, every major region that invests in eSports is internationally competitive. The standout has been and remains Korea in all games.
huh? korea is nonexistant in dota 2.
and if you cant show me why leagues such as the NFL and NBA still have little to no asian players then you can't simply dismiss genetics.
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On September 20 2014 06:33 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 06:14 xes wrote:
This is why Japan and South Korea, despite having such high levels of corporate dedication, do not suffer from endemic mental health issues Trolling or just bad knowledge?
In raw numbers, east-asian countries do have the lowest diagnosed "mental health prevalences" according to the World Health Organization
However whether this is a result of meaningful differences or affected by things like culture acceptance of mental disorders, availability of diagnoses, and the endemic over-diagnosis of mental issues in the west is up for debate
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On September 20 2014 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 06:22 Azarkon wrote:
It's pretty obvious the issue isn't genetics, as China and other Asian countries aren't nearly as successful as Korea and were we to remove Korea from the equation, every major region that invests in eSports is internationally competitive. The standout has been and remains Korea in all games. huh? korea is nonexistant in dota 2. and if you cant show me why leagues such as the NFL and NBA still have little to no asian players then you can't simply dismiss genetics.
Height? The question then is why The Netherlands doesn't dominate basketball.
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On September 20 2014 06:53 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 20 2014 06:22 Azarkon wrote:
It's pretty obvious the issue isn't genetics, as China and other Asian countries aren't nearly as successful as Korea and were we to remove Korea from the equation, every major region that invests in eSports is internationally competitive. The standout has been and remains Korea in all games. huh? korea is nonexistant in dota 2. and if you cant show me why leagues such as the NFL and NBA still have little to no asian players then you can't simply dismiss genetics. Height? The question then is why The Netherlands doesn't dominate basketball.
Because almost no one here cares about basketball. All we play is soccer.
The infrastructure to produce top basketball players just doesn't exist.
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