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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On September 09 2014 14:20 Gahlo wrote: Supposedly TPA got a lot better recently, but they were also pretty bad at All Stars, so who knows. I don't think that SK has the talent to keep up with TSM. SK gave Alliance quite the run for their money, and I'd definitely say that Alliance has more talent than TSM. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 09 2014 14:26 Shiznick wrote: SK gave Alliance quite the run for their money, and I'd definitely say that Alliance has more talent than TSM. Direct comparisons like that don't work, because I can say I'd take LMQ and C9 over SK and TSM beat both of them. SK works on being a better preperation team to make up for their lack of high level talent. I don't think that's enough to overcome TSM's roster and Loco's coaching. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 09 2014 15:29 cLutZ wrote: SK also has candypanda. He is terrible. At least they got that in common then. Both sk and tsm with garbage ad carries | ||
nimdil
Poland3773 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 09 2014 19:23 nimdil wrote: I watched most of the "group reveal" on YT - the groups were just revealed? There was no official group selection - they just chosen the groups to make it the most entertaining show possible or how does it work? Riot said that due to how they set up worlds this year that there wasn't enough time to bring player reps in to do an OGN style group drawing and that they will set things up better next year so one could happen. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3773 Posts
On September 09 2014 19:35 Gahlo wrote: Riot said that due to how they set up worlds this year that there wasn't enough time to bring player reps in to do an OGN style group drawing and that they will set things up better next year so one could happen. That sounds like a lousy excuse. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22628 Posts
This is Riot your talking about. They only had 1 year to set up worlds. How do you expect them to have time to figure this stuff out ^^ | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On September 09 2014 19:35 Gahlo wrote: Riot said that due to how they set up worlds this year that there wasn't enough time to bring player reps in to do an OGN style group drawing and that they will set things up better next year so one could happen. http://na.lolesports.com/articles/2014-worlds-group-draw That's their official response as to why the drawing was conducted a while ago and not live during this selection show. However, logistics aside, I think too many people are thinking of this like "why was this not like OGN", when I think they were definitely modeling this after Selection Sunday for March Madness (College Basketball). Granted the similarities are not exact, because College Basketball is seeded 1-16 and a committee is used to just to seed the teams. However, I think the similarities in the broadcast were definitely intentional. I didn't have a problem with what they did, and I actually enjoyed the similarity to Selection Sunday. Different folks, different strokes. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3773 Posts
On September 09 2014 21:06 Takkara wrote: http://na.lolesports.com/articles/2014-worlds-group-draw That's their official response as to why the drawing was conducted a while ago and not live during this selection show. However, logistics aside, I think too many people are thinking of this like "why was this not like OGN", when I think they were definitely modeling this after Selection Sunday for March Madness (College Basketball). Granted the similarities are not exact, because College Basketball is seeded 1-16 and a committee is used to just to seed the teams. However, I think the similarities in the broadcast were definitely intentional. I didn't have a problem with what they did, and I actually enjoyed the similarity to Selection Sunday. Different folks, different strokes. LoL World is international event, while terms March Madness and College Basketball mean little outside US. Their statement indicate that there are just 2 possibilities: 1) fly all the teams, make big ceremony, yadda yadda 2) do it in private and prepare short reveal show This list is by no mean exhaustive. They could make reveal show a bit longer with some element of random selection like this: Taking a ball from a bowl does not require your team to be present, the reveal show would take at worst 30m more and it will be a level of magnitude more satisfying. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On September 09 2014 21:17 nimdil wrote: LoL World is international event, while terms March Madness and College Basketball mean little outside US. Their statement indicate that there are just 2 possibilities: 1) fly all the teams, make big ceremony, yadda yadda 2) do it in private and prepare short reveal show This list is by no mean exhaustive. They could make reveal show a bit longer with some element of random selection like this: http://youtu.be/7q36eOEz2Hs?t=23m2s Taking a ball from a bowl does not require your team to be present, the reveal show would take at worst 30m more and it will be a level of magnitude more satisfying. They released the draw video which showed the random selection element. I didn't need to see that pageantry in the selection show itself. I don't think it would have made it a level of magnitude more satisfying, either. I was satisfied with what they offered, but I would be happy with different formats, too. I just don't agree with people that think this was atrocious. It was a great experience, and it was fun participating with Twitter and with my friends on Gchat as they revealed each group and guessing who would be in the other groups. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3773 Posts
On September 09 2014 21:32 Takkara wrote: They released the draw video which showed the random selection element. I didn't know that. It changes things. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
In case you are interested: I mean Riot always leaves a lot to be desired. Every year they try to improve what they do, but that doesn't mean criticisms are unwarranted. The more people want to improve LoL/Riot, the better it is for everyone. They are still a relatively new company trying desperately to figure out how to keep up with their growth. It's a difficult job, and some of the decisions they have made have been lacking. For how much they talk about "competitive integrity" and "esports" they sure do stumble a lot. This time around, I'm glad they showed these group draws, and hopefully they improve things for next year. This video is fairly low budget because they didn't realize they should actually set up an event around it/ didn't realize that they could do it. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
I remember last worlds some korean team brought their sister team, that wasnt even qualified. | ||
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
Really (un)lucky that both TPA & AHQ got drawn into the TW side of group stages. On one hand they'll have home advantage (less travel time, used to the food and weather etc). On the the hand if both get eliminated in group stages (a very real possibility).... >> Predictions! HEART A: SSW, EDG B: SHRC, TPA (I believe in you, TPA! May the cheese be with you!!!) C: SSB, OMG D: NJWS, A HEAD A: SSW, EDG B: SHRC, SK (if it were Bo5 I'd pick TSM over SHRC, but it's not) C: SSB, Fnatic D: NJWS, A | ||
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
On September 09 2014 22:37 Kenpark wrote: These Samsung could throw complaints are bullshit of course, but why are korean teams even allowed to have sister teams ? I mean it gives them def a little edge they dont even need. Having allways scrim partner, switching players around to see who fits, are the first things that come to mind. I remember last worlds some korean team brought their sister team, that wasnt even qualified. Why? Because OGN (and LPL and GPL) AREN'T organised/funded by Riot. The no-sister-team rule is a LCS thing, not a competitive-LoL thing. Honestly not seeing what's so bullshit about it. If anything it's LCS NOT allowing sister-teams that's being bullshit (and people *cough*A*cough*EG) have managed to get past it alr so I don't see what's the issue.) OGN, LPL AND GPL all have sister teams. (Samsung, SKT, IM etc for OGN; WE-WEA, iG-YG for LPL; TPA-TPS for GPL. Also, you are right. NJBS brought NJWS along to Worlds last year; with their own money, of course. They'll probably do the same thing this year, no reason not to. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3773 Posts
On September 09 2014 22:37 Kenpark wrote: These Samsung could throw complaints are bullshit of course, but why are korean teams even allowed to have sister teams ? I mean it gives them def a little edge they dont even need. Having allways scrim partner, switching players around to see who fits, are the first things that come to mind. I remember last worlds some korean team brought their sister team, that wasnt even qualified. It would make more sense to allow to have it for everyone. I guess KeSPA have enough muscles...? | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On September 09 2014 22:45 nimdil wrote: It would make more sense to allow to have it for everyone. I guess KeSPA have enough muscles...? Even Blizzard ain't close to Riot's level of monopolizing things, so i don't think that it's going to happen. On September 09 2014 14:20 Gahlo wrote: Supposedly TPA got a lot better recently, but they were also pretty bad at All Stars, so who knows. I don't think that SK has the talent to keep up with TSM. Because TPA have best jungler in China/SEA region now, ofc they're better. Still, i can see TPA beating SK but SK beating TSM and TSM beating TPA, so most likely, if someone can steal games from SHRC - that team will advance. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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